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1. 05:49 AM - Re: Where to get epoxy Mixing cups? (JEFF ROBERTS)
2. 06:32 AM - RFI of Trim Indicator (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
3. 08:42 AM - Re: Attaching tailwheel fork (Dan Bish)
4. 09:31 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/13/05 ()
5. 10:33 AM - Setting wing incidence (William Daniell)
6. 11:52 AM - Re: Setting wing incidence (Steve Hagar)
7. 11:56 AM - Re: Setting wing incidence (Stephan Cassel)
8. 12:52 PM - Europa XS Kit for Sale...maybe (Richard Sementilli)
9. 12:52 PM - Re: Setting wing incidence (William Daniell)
10. 12:52 PM - Re: Setting wing incidence (William Daniell)
11. 01:04 PM - Door Bulge (Jim Butcher)
12. 02:27 PM - Re: Door Bulge (Terry Seaver (terrys))
13. 04:09 PM - Re: Door Bulge (Bill Henderson)
14. 04:27 PM - Re: Where to get epoxy Mixing cups? (Jim Puglise)
15. 04:59 PM - Re: Where to get epoxy Mixing cups? (N55XS)
16. 06:16 PM - Re: Door Bulge (KARL HEINDL)
17. 07:43 PM - Re: Voltage Regulator Problem? (MJKTuck@cs.com)
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Subject: | Re: Where to get epoxy Mixing cups? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Ron,
If your in the states try Publix or Kroger in the cocktail area. I use
a small clear plastic cup used for mix drinks at outdoor functions.
Jeff
A258
On Jun 13, 2005, at 11:36 PM, Ronald J. Parigoris wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Since the start of project, was using supermarket plastic mixing cups.
> Smooth
> walls and flat bottoms.
>
> I can't find them anymore.
>
> any ideas?
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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Subject: | RFI of Trim Indicator |
06/14/2005 09:31:24 AM,
Serialize complete at 06/14/2005 09:31:24 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi All,
I occassionally see this RFI effect as well.
Nev may be correct that there is some coupling between
the parallel runs of coax and trim cable to the aft of the plane.
Then again, most Europas have their vertically oriented COM Antenna
just a few cm from the Trim Motor which may be more likely.
The basic problem however is that the supplied trim indicator module
itself is not protected from VHF transmitters which is a problem,
given that the MAC systems are expressly designed for the aviation
environment. They need more bypass capacitors in the module and maybe
some ferrites on the leads. I'd call Ray Allen to complain, not Europa
2004
Ira N224XS
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Subject: | Re: Attaching tailwheel fork |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <DanBish@norwalktucson.com>
Thanks Steve, I'll give that a shot.
Dan
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/13/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
> Since the start of project, was using supermarket plastic mixing cups. Smooth
> walls and flat bottoms.
>
> I can't find them anymore.
Use beer cans, when empty flush out, run a sharp knife round the middle leave to
dry.Instant one shot mixing cup, ok a bit rough edged can clean up with scissors
if you want.
To get you started get in a batch of your favourite brew and some mates around
drinking and telling lies to each other, soon have a ready pile.
This approach allows you to argue successfully that you are saving heaps of money
by not squandering it on purpose made mixing cups.
Cheers.
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Subject: | Setting wing incidence |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
My next task is to set the wing incidence.
Can one do this with the wings still open? - in other words, without the
upper surface and the uni reinforcing plies?
Any tips/bright ideas as to how to make this task easier...
Will Daniell
238
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/13/05
--> Europa-List message posted by: <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
> Since the start of project, was using supermarket plastic mixing cups.
Smooth
> walls and flat bottoms.
>
> I can't find them anymore.
Use beer cans, when empty flush out, run a sharp knife round the middle
leave to dry.Instant one shot mixing cup, ok a bit rough edged can clean up
with scissors if you want.
To get you started get in a batch of your favourite brew and some mates
around drinking and telling lies to each other, soon have a ready pile.
This approach allows you to argue successfully that you are saving heaps of
money by not squandering it on purpose made mixing cups.
Cheers.
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Subject: | Setting wing incidence |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
You should set the wing incidence up with the tops on and the wing in its
final configuration. You will be making a template of the top curvature of
the wing with a level surface on top to put a digital level on. During
this operation my fuselage was on its cradle that had adjustable feet. The
fuselage was set so that the window sill was level. More important than
any thing else make sure the left and right sides are exactly the same.
If after curing one is slightly off make sure the other is set the same or
go back and fix the first one. Needless to say don't do them both in one
session. Do the first on get it cured and all set and then see what you
have. Then do the other side.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/14/2005 10:32:28 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Setting wing incidence
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> My next task is to set the wing incidence.
>
> Can one do this with the wings still open? - in other words, without the
> upper surface and the uni reinforcing plies?
>
> Any tips/bright ideas as to how to make this task easier...
>
>
>
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Subject: | Setting wing incidence |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Will,
It sounds risky. I know builders that have done it without the upper
skin but then you need to build up exactly same height in order to
"simulate" the skin, if you are using the template.
I did set the wing incidence before the uni reinforcing plies. The
template sits more accurate on the wing without uni.
Regards,
Stephan
#556
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Subject: Europa-List: Setting wing incidence
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell"
<wdaniell@etb.net.co>
My next task is to set the wing incidence.
Can one do this with the wings still open? - in other words, without
the
upper surface and the uni reinforcing plies?
Any tips/bright ideas as to how to make this task easier...
Will Daniell
238
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/13/05
--> Europa-List message posted by: <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
> Since the start of project, was using supermarket plastic mixing cups.
Smooth
> walls and flat bottoms.
>
> I can't find them anymore.
Use beer cans, when empty flush out, run a sharp knife round the middle
leave to dry.Instant one shot mixing cup, ok a bit rough edged can clean
up
with scissors if you want.
To get you started get in a batch of your favourite brew and some mates
around drinking and telling lies to each other, soon have a ready pile.
This approach allows you to argue successfully that you are saving heaps
of
money by not squandering it on purpose made mixing cups.
Cheers.
Message 8
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Subject: | Europa XS Kit for Sale...maybe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Sementilli <rsementi@gmail.com>
This is an exploratory inquiry about the possible sale of my Europa XS
Conventional gear kit (N144EW) that I have been building at Flight
Crafters in Florida.
WOULD ANYONE CARE TO MAKE AN OFFER?
The air frame is almost complete, the top half is just about ready to
be bonded to the bottom half. Therefore, yes, the cockpit module has
been installed. Also installed are: all antennas plus mounts for a
tru-trak autopilot, ELT, strobe lights, all airframe wiring, gas tank
and sender etc. Basically there is about another 25 hours left to
finish the airframe. The wings and tail plane have all had many hours
of prep by the previous owner of this kit so the prep for paint will
save several hundreds of hours.
The kit was converted to conventional gear by Bob Berube at Flight
Crafters ($6,200 parts and labor). It also has a firewall forward kit
($3,800) for a 912S engine, plus a speed kit still in the box from
Europa. I have also prepared the panel for instruments but have not
yet installed them. Therefore, the panel cowl has been cut and sanded;
ready for whatever instruments one would desire.
With the purchase of the kit, plus all the work done so far, plus all
of the parts installed, plus the conversion to a conventional gear,
the FWF, speed kit etc., I have honestly spent $53K (with receipts to
prove it).
Thanks
Richard
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Subject: | Setting wing incidence |
FILETIME=[0AFA2AF0:01C5711B]
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Thanks - Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting wing incidence
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
You should set the wing incidence up with the tops on and the wing in its
final configuration. You will be making a template of the top curvature of
the wing with a level surface on top to put a digital level on. During
this operation my fuselage was on its cradle that had adjustable feet. The
fuselage was set so that the window sill was level. More important than
any thing else make sure the left and right sides are exactly the same.
If after curing one is slightly off make sure the other is set the same or
go back and fix the first one. Needless to say don't do them both in one
session. Do the first on get it cured and all set and then see what you
have. Then do the other side.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/14/2005 10:32:28 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Setting wing incidence
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> My next task is to set the wing incidence.
>
> Can one do this with the wings still open? - in other words, without the
> upper surface and the uni reinforcing plies?
>
> Any tips/bright ideas as to how to make this task easier...
>
>
>
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Subject: | Setting wing incidence |
FILETIME=[169004C0:01C5711B]
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Thanks - Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephan Cassel
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting wing incidence
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Will,
It sounds risky. I know builders that have done it without the upper
skin but then you need to build up exactly same height in order to
"simulate" the skin, if you are using the template.
I did set the wing incidence before the uni reinforcing plies. The
template sits more accurate on the wing without uni.
Regards,
Stephan
#556
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Subject: Europa-List: Setting wing incidence
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell"
<wdaniell@etb.net.co>
My next task is to set the wing incidence.
Can one do this with the wings still open? - in other words, without
the
upper surface and the uni reinforcing plies?
Any tips/bright ideas as to how to make this task easier...
Will Daniell
238
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/13/05
--> Europa-List message posted by: <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
> Since the start of project, was using supermarket plastic mixing cups.
Smooth
> walls and flat bottoms.
>
> I can't find them anymore.
Use beer cans, when empty flush out, run a sharp knife round the middle
leave to dry.Instant one shot mixing cup, ok a bit rough edged can clean
up
with scissors if you want.
To get you started get in a batch of your favourite brew and some mates
around drinking and telling lies to each other, soon have a ready pile.
This approach allows you to argue successfully that you are saving heaps
of
money by not squandering it on purpose made mixing cups.
Cheers.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
We've had our doors fitted for several months and very happy with the appearance.
Today we fitted the door seal. Now the doors are difficult to close and they
bulge at the mid point of the lower edge. Obviously the thickness of the
seal is causing the problem. Question is, will the seal eventually deform so
the doors fit as the did previously? We really don't want to add third pins etc
since the paint is all complete.
Thanks
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
Working on Annex E checklist
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Jim.
Ours bulged for a while until the door seal took a set. We did add the
third latch in the center of the door, but have found it unecessary and
never use it anymore.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Butcher
Subject: Europa-List: Door Bulge
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
We've had our doors fitted for several months and very happy with the
appearance. Today we fitted the door seal. Now the doors are difficult
to close and they bulge at the mid point of the lower edge. Obviously
the thickness of the seal is causing the problem. Question is, will the
seal eventually deform so the doors fit as the did previously? We
really don't want to add third pins etc since the paint is all complete.
Thanks
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
Working on Annex E checklist
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
Jim,
I had the same problem. I let the plane sit out in the hot sun (90deg.
outside, 120 -130deg. inside) for an hour or two. It's amazing how much
better the doors open and close now....
Bill Henderson A010
Europa Classic Monowheel
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Subject: | Where to get epoxy Mixing cups? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
Ron-
Try Costco or BJs.
Jim Puglise, A283
Office (941) 505-8398
FAX (503) 212-6464
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Where to get epoxy Mixing cups?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Since the start of project, was using supermarket plastic mixing cups.
Smooth
walls and flat bottoms.
I can't find them anymore.
any ideas?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: Where to get epoxy Mixing cups? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
I bought mine at a local SAM'S club
Jeff - waiting for FAA inspection...
Ronald J. Parigoris wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>Since the start of project, was using supermarket plastic mixing cups. Smooth
>walls and flat bottoms.
>
>I can't find them anymore.
>
>any ideas?
>
>Thx.
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Jim,
Maybe the heat teatment will work. There was no way I could have closed my
doors from the inside. My conclusion was that the seal was too thick and I
solved it simply by replacing the lower half of the seal with same type but
of smaller diameter. I obtained this from a Company that sells various bits
to people who do car restoration. I believe the seal diameter of the
original is 10mm, but the best fit is with 8mm.
Karl
>From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: "europalist" <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Door Bulge
>Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:06:43 -0400
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
>We've had our doors fitted for several months and very happy with the
>appearance. Today we fitted the door seal. Now the doors are difficult to
>close and they bulge at the mid point of the lower edge. Obviously the
>thickness of the seal is causing the problem. Question is, will the seal
>eventually deform so the doors fit as the did previously? We really don't
>want to add third pins etc since the paint is all complete.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jim & Heather Butcher A185
>Working on Annex E checklist
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Voltage Regulator Problem? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
Thanks for all that responded to my breaker problem despite my rather vague
description which wasn't quite right now that I have studied the diagram
further.
The 5 amp CB is ties to the crowbar and I found a handy 5A breaker on my
prebuilt panel labeled ALT FIELD - hence the confusion.
Fortunately Bob Nuckols lives not far and we both work for the same company
so I gave him a call as it was his crowbar design. His memory is better than
mine and remembered we had trouble with this before and he added a capacitor in
my panel somewhere which cured it - until I replaced my radio and transponder
recently.
He suspects my new radio and/or transponder (probably the latter) is causing
some spiking and wants to upgrade/modify my crowbar. Unfortunately it is
behind the panel so it will be a while before I feel inclined to pull everything
out again.
He said it would not do any harm to keep resetting it if it settles down
after a while.
Hopefully that will solve the problem.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N12MT
Wichita, Kansas
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