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1. 07:49 AM - Re: Tie-Down (N55XS)
2. 09:04 AM - Tie-downs (Erich Trombley)
3. 09:24 AM - Re: Tie-Down (Garry)
4. 09:26 AM - Re: Tie-Down (Paul Boulet)
5. 10:32 AM - Re: Tie-Down (Gert Dalgaard)
6. 12:06 PM - Re: Noise Statement wanted (Duncan McFadyean)
7. 12:09 PM - Re: Noise Statement wanted (Duncan McFadyean)
8. 12:26 PM - Re: Tie-Down (Matt Carpenter)
9. 03:17 PM - Re: Wing Chord (Jan de Jong)
10. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Wing Chord (Rob Housman)
11. 06:03 PM - Tie Downs (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
12. 09:22 PM - TAS Calculations (Paul McAllister)
13. 10:53 PM - Re: TAS Calculations (Kingsley Hurst)
14. 11:20 PM - Re: TAS Calculations (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Matthew Carpenter wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com>
>
>This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh.
>I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said
>"All plans must be tied down.. etc."
>We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the
>wings.. nor do we plan to put some there.
>
>How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt Carpenter
>N138WJ
>A138
>Amarillo Texas
>
>
>
Matt,
Check out my September 30 entry at my build site for a simple and
effective wing tie down system...
http://www.n55xs.com
--
Jeff - N55XS
Waiting on the FAA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
I have a Mono-wheel which I secure at tail with an eye-bold going the tail-wheel
spring and at the wings using the outriggers as an attached point. Hope this
helps. I am also planning on flying my Europa to OSHKOSH. Last year I rented
tie-downs from the EAA for a nominal fee which worked out really nice. See
ya there.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Monowheel 914
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
The tie down procedure I use on my trigear is one rope thru the eye bolt in
the tail, and then two screw anchors about two feet in front of the wings,
spaced about ten feet apart. I then run a 1/4" rope from one screw anchor
up and over the space between the prop spinner and the cowling, and then
down to the other screw anchor. This holds the front of the plane in place.
Ideally, I should have built retractable tiedown hooks into the wings, but
this procedure works as well as anything else I could come up with.
Garry Stout
A060, N4220S trigear 914 CS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Carpenter" <europaxs@gmail.com>
> This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh.
> I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said
> "All plans must be tied down.. etc."
> We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the
> wings.. nor do we plan to put some there.
>
> How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
What's wrong with just running a rope through the outriggers?
Paul Boulet N914PB, Malibu, CA
N55XS <topglock@cox.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS
Matthew Carpenter wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter
>
>This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh.
>I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said
>"All plans must be tied down.. etc."
>We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the
>wings.. nor do we plan to put some there.
>
>How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt Carpenter
>N138WJ
>A138
>Amarillo Texas
>
>
>
Matt,
Check out my September 30 entry at my build site for a simple and
effective wing tie down system...
http://www.n55xs.com
--
Jeff - N55XS
Waiting on the FAA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gert Dalgaard <lgds@post6.tele.dk>
Nothing I guess.
Done that for years.
Regards
Gert
OY-GDS
Den 22/06/2005 kl. 18.25 skrev Paul Boulet:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet
> <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
> What's wrong with just running a rope through the outriggers?
> Paul Boulet N914PB, Malibu, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Noise Statement wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I have the following measured data:
Europa 912S, Rotax exhaust (similar to the XS exhaust, but not nearly as
quiet as the Classic exhaust),Warp Drive wide chord fixed pitch prop set to
20.5 degrees at 64" diameter.
71.5 dBA maximum measured at ground level during a 500' full power overhead
pass. Average of two runs.
Background noise levels at the time were 45 dBA.
A slightly better result may have been obtained by placing the monitoring
point in the middle of a field, rather than at the intersection of two hard
runways, which could have resulted in a small component of reflected noise.
But, whilst a good quality meter was used, its recalibration date was
overdue. And different authorities require different standards of
measurement; I think ours actually require the average of three or more
runs, not two.
This may be of some use to you. Or not!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Subject: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> All,
>
> Dutch CAA/FAA is requesting an official noise statement for my aircraft.
> Noise Statement from Europa club is not recognized and the penalty is in
> NL,
> same landing charges as a Piper 28.(!@#%$!*)
>
> 2 possibilities to counter this:
>
> A: Get a noise measuremnt by an approved organisation/company
> B: Get a copy of an official Noise Statement from one of the EASA/JAR
> countries or the US/Canada.
> It needs to be a stament from a similar type of aircraft, in this case:
>
> Europa XS
> Rotax 912S engine
> Warpdrive prop
>
> Who can help me out?
> Mail or fax your noisestatement, eternal greatfullnes will be your reward.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
> fax: 084-7377223
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Noise Statement wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Bob,
So what noise levels did you measure and under what conditions?
And why are you so "angry"?!!
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Sven
> I have an MT Propellers produced Noise Cert produced as a result of
> thorough tests taken by them on my Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Trike with
> their 3 blade CS Propeller. The German Inspector I submitted to at
> Munchen Osnabrook only accepted it "under protest " since he said it
> should be produced or validated by the British CAA being a UK
> registration. I only this morning contacted a Junior rank woman in the
> CAA who started off by saying it would probably require a UK conducted
> test for the CAA to provide the validation.! This stinks of "jobs for
> the boys " culture and I feel you should establish just what the Dutch
> CAA will accept prior to getting in any deeper !
> I will be making lots of loud noises if having flown to Straubing and
> spent three days getting the necessary tests done, having a German
> Certificate made by a German Manufacturer only to find it is bloody
> worthless here in the UK or for that matter anywhere else !!!??
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sven den
> Boer
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> All,
>
> Dutch CAA/FAA is requesting an official noise statement for my aircraft.
> Noise Statement from Europa club is not recognized and the penalty is in
> NL,
> same landing charges as a Piper 28.(!@#%$!*)
>
> 2 possibilities to counter this:
>
> A: Get a noise measuremnt by an approved organisation/company
> B: Get a copy of an official Noise Statement from one of the EASA/JAR
> countries or the US/Canada.
> It needs to be a stament from a similar type of aircraft, in this case:
>
> Europa XS
> Rotax 912S engine
> Warpdrive prop
>
> Who can help me out?
> Mail or fax your noisestatement, eternal greatfullnes will be your
> reward.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
> fax: 084-7377223
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com>
Thanks for the advice.
We are looking forward to Oshkosh this year..
Matt Carpenter
On 6/22/05, N55XS <topglock@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Matthew Carpenter wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com>
> >
> >This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh.
> >I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said
> >"All plans must be tied down.. etc."
> >We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the
> >wings.. nor do we plan to put some there.
> >
> >How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Matt Carpenter
> >N138WJ
> >A138
> >Amarillo Texas
> >
> >
> >
>
> Matt,
>
> Check out my September 30 entry at my build site for a simple and
> effective wing tie down system...
> http://www.n55xs.com
>
> --
> Jeff - N55XS
> Waiting on the FAA
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Chord length at root of 109 cm with fairings is not correct (I hope).
The coordinates table in the second of the wing chapters goes from 0 to
1270 mm
Cheers,
Jan de Jong
#461, working on the wing chapters...
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
Oops, I measured without the flaps.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jan de Jong
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing Chord
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Chord length at root of 109 cm with fairings is not correct (I hope).
The coordinates table in the second of the wing chapters goes from 0 to
1270 mm
Cheers,
Jan de Jong
#461, working on the wing chapters...
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06/22/2005 09:02:19 PM,
Serialize complete at 06/22/2005 09:02:19 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi Matt,
At Sun&Fun I tied the tail and around the gear legs of my trike XS
using the tie down kit I bought at the flightline.
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | TAS Calculations |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I thought I would take my 914 up to 10,000 feet and run it at 100% power to see
if it would do the mythical 200 mph. Here are the data I recorded.
OAT 16 c
10,000' @ 29.92
North GPS 129 knots
South GPS 175 knots
East GPS 167 knots
West GPS 140 knots
I plugged these numbers into the 4 Axis IAS spread sheet that I got from the Europa
club and it tells me that the TAS is 178 knots with a density altitude of
12,310', but..... this is where I get confused. None of my ground speeds are
178 knots, so am I misunderstanding something here, or are the calculations in
the spread sheet incorrect.
Paul
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| Subject: | TAS Calculations |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> North GPS 129 knots
> South GPS 175 knots
> East GPS 167 knots
> West GPS 140 knots
> I plugged these numbers into the 4 Axis IAS spread sheet that I got
from the Europa club and it tells me that the TAS is 178 knots
Paul,
Looks a bit suspect to me. Average of North/South = 152 kts Average of
East West = 153.5 kts. Can't understand where the extra comes from ? ?
?
Regards
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: TAS Calculations |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Kingsley...
Is it not obvious? The extra speed obtained south bound is because he his
going down hill?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
THIS DRIBBLE
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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