---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/22/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:49 AM - Re: Tie-Down (N55XS) 2. 09:04 AM - Tie-downs (Erich Trombley) 3. 09:24 AM - Re: Tie-Down (Garry) 4. 09:26 AM - Re: Tie-Down (Paul Boulet) 5. 10:32 AM - Re: Tie-Down (Gert Dalgaard) 6. 12:06 PM - Re: Noise Statement wanted (Duncan McFadyean) 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Noise Statement wanted (Duncan McFadyean) 8. 12:26 PM - Re: Tie-Down (Matt Carpenter) 9. 03:17 PM - Re: Wing Chord (Jan de Jong) 10. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Wing Chord (Rob Housman) 11. 06:03 PM - Tie Downs (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 12. 09:22 PM - TAS Calculations (Paul McAllister) 13. 10:53 PM - Re: TAS Calculations (Kingsley Hurst) 14. 11:20 PM - Re: TAS Calculations (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:29 AM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie-Down --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Matthew Carpenter wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter > >This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh. >I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said >"All plans must be tied down.. etc." >We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the >wings.. nor do we plan to put some there. > >How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts? > >Thanks, > >Matt Carpenter >N138WJ >A138 >Amarillo Texas > > > Matt, Check out my September 30 entry at my build site for a simple and effective wing tie down system... http://www.n55xs.com -- Jeff - N55XS Waiting on the FAA -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:36 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Tie-downs --> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" I have a Mono-wheel which I secure at tail with an eye-bold going the tail-wheel spring and at the wings using the outriggers as an attached point. Hope this helps. I am also planning on flying my Europa to OSHKOSH. Last year I rented tie-downs from the EAA for a nominal fee which worked out really nice. See ya there. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Monowheel 914 Get Juno Platinum for as low as $6.95/month! Visit http://www.juno.com/bestoffer to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:18 AM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie-Down --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" The tie down procedure I use on my trigear is one rope thru the eye bolt in the tail, and then two screw anchors about two feet in front of the wings, spaced about ten feet apart. I then run a 1/4" rope from one screw anchor up and over the space between the prop spinner and the cowling, and then down to the other screw anchor. This holds the front of the plane in place. Ideally, I should have built retractable tiedown hooks into the wings, but this procedure works as well as anything else I could come up with. Garry Stout A060, N4220S trigear 914 CS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Carpenter" > This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh. > I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said > "All plans must be tied down.. etc." > We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the > wings.. nor do we plan to put some there. > > How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:10 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie-Down --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet What's wrong with just running a rope through the outriggers? Paul Boulet N914PB, Malibu, CA N55XS wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Matthew Carpenter wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter > >This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh. >I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said >"All plans must be tied down.. etc." >We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the >wings.. nor do we plan to put some there. > >How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts? > >Thanks, > >Matt Carpenter >N138WJ >A138 >Amarillo Texas > > > Matt, Check out my September 30 entry at my build site for a simple and effective wing tie down system... http://www.n55xs.com -- Jeff - N55XS Waiting on the FAA -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:02 AM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie-Down --> Europa-List message posted by: Gert Dalgaard Nothing I guess. Done that for years. Regards Gert OY-GDS Den 22/06/2005 kl. 18.25 skrev Paul Boulet: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet > > > What's wrong with just running a rope through the outriggers? > Paul Boulet N914PB, Malibu, CA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:14 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I have the following measured data: Europa 912S, Rotax exhaust (similar to the XS exhaust, but not nearly as quiet as the Classic exhaust),Warp Drive wide chord fixed pitch prop set to 20.5 degrees at 64" diameter. 71.5 dBA maximum measured at ground level during a 500' full power overhead pass. Average of two runs. Background noise levels at the time were 45 dBA. A slightly better result may have been obtained by placing the monitoring point in the middle of a field, rather than at the intersection of two hard runways, which could have resulted in a small component of reflected noise. But, whilst a good quality meter was used, its recalibration date was overdue. And different authorities require different standards of measurement; I think ours actually require the average of three or more runs, not two. This may be of some use to you. Or not! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven den Boer" Subject: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" > > > All, > > Dutch CAA/FAA is requesting an official noise statement for my aircraft. > Noise Statement from Europa club is not recognized and the penalty is in > NL, > same landing charges as a Piper 28.(!@#%$!*) > > 2 possibilities to counter this: > > A: Get a noise measuremnt by an approved organisation/company > B: Get a copy of an official Noise Statement from one of the EASA/JAR > countries or the US/Canada. > It needs to be a stament from a similar type of aircraft, in this case: > > Europa XS > Rotax 912S engine > Warpdrive prop > > Who can help me out? > Mail or fax your noisestatement, eternal greatfullnes will be your reward. > > Best Regards, > > Sven den Boer > PH-SBR > fax: 084-7377223 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:18 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Bob, So what noise levels did you measure and under what conditions? And why are you so "angry"?!! Rgds., Duncan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > Hi! Sven > I have an MT Propellers produced Noise Cert produced as a result of > thorough tests taken by them on my Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Trike with > their 3 blade CS Propeller. The German Inspector I submitted to at > Munchen Osnabrook only accepted it "under protest " since he said it > should be produced or validated by the British CAA being a UK > registration. I only this morning contacted a Junior rank woman in the > CAA who started off by saying it would probably require a UK conducted > test for the CAA to provide the validation.! This stinks of "jobs for > the boys " culture and I feel you should establish just what the Dutch > CAA will accept prior to getting in any deeper ! > I will be making lots of loud noises if having flown to Straubing and > spent three days getting the necessary tests done, having a German > Certificate made by a German Manufacturer only to find it is bloody > worthless here in the UK or for that matter anywhere else !!!?? > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sven den > Boer > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" > > > All, > > Dutch CAA/FAA is requesting an official noise statement for my aircraft. > Noise Statement from Europa club is not recognized and the penalty is in > NL, > same landing charges as a Piper 28.(!@#%$!*) > > 2 possibilities to counter this: > > A: Get a noise measuremnt by an approved organisation/company > B: Get a copy of an official Noise Statement from one of the EASA/JAR > countries or the US/Canada. > It needs to be a stament from a similar type of aircraft, in this case: > > Europa XS > Rotax 912S engine > Warpdrive prop > > Who can help me out? > Mail or fax your noisestatement, eternal greatfullnes will be your > reward. > > Best Regards, > > Sven den Boer > PH-SBR > fax: 084-7377223 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:07 PM PST US From: Matt Carpenter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie-Down --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Carpenter Thanks for the advice. We are looking forward to Oshkosh this year.. Matt Carpenter On 6/22/05, N55XS wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS > > Matthew Carpenter wrote: > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter > > > >This year we are taking the Europa to Oshkosh. > >I was reviewing the rules, approach procedure etc.. I noticed it said > >"All plans must be tied down.. etc." > >We have 1 eye bolt on the back to hold the tail down, but nothing on the > >wings.. nor do we plan to put some there. > > > >How have you guys tied down the wings without eye bolts? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Matt Carpenter > >N138WJ > >A138 > >Amarillo Texas > > > > > > > > Matt, > > Check out my September 30 entry at my build site for a simple and > effective wing tie down system... > http://www.n55xs.com > > -- > Jeff - N55XS > Waiting on the FAA > > > -- > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:43 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing Chord --> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong Chord length at root of 109 cm with fairings is not correct (I hope). The coordinates table in the second of the wing chapters goes from 0 to 1270 mm Cheers, Jan de Jong #461, working on the wing chapters... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:01 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Wing Chord --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" Oops, I measured without the flaps. Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jan de Jong Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing Chord --> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong Chord length at root of 109 cm with fairings is not correct (I hope). The coordinates table in the second of the wing chapters goes from 0 to 1270 mm Cheers, Jan de Jong #461, working on the wing chapters... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:48 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tie Downs From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu 06/22/2005 09:02:19 PM, Serialize complete at 06/22/2005 09:02:19 PM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Hi Matt, At Sun&Fun I tied the tail and around the gear legs of my trike XS using the tie down kit I bought at the flightline. Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:43 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: TAS Calculations --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi all, I thought I would take my 914 up to 10,000 feet and run it at 100% power to see if it would do the mythical 200 mph. Here are the data I recorded. OAT 16 c 10,000' @ 29.92 North GPS 129 knots South GPS 175 knots East GPS 167 knots West GPS 140 knots I plugged these numbers into the 4 Axis IAS spread sheet that I got from the Europa club and it tells me that the TAS is 178 knots with a density altitude of 12,310', but..... this is where I get confused. None of my ground speeds are 178 knots, so am I misunderstanding something here, or are the calculations in the spread sheet incorrect. Paul ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:19 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TAS Calculations --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > North GPS 129 knots > South GPS 175 knots > East GPS 167 knots > West GPS 140 knots > I plugged these numbers into the 4 Axis IAS spread sheet that I got from the Europa club and it tells me that the TAS is 178 knots Paul, Looks a bit suspect to me. Average of North/South = 152 kts Average of East West = 153.5 kts. Can't understand where the extra comes from ? ? ? Regards Kingsley ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:01 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: TAS Calculations --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Kingsley... Is it not obvious? The extra speed obtained south bound is because he his going down hill? DO NOT ARCHIVE THIS DRIBBLE Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS