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1. 07:51 AM - Was Gap Seals: Anchorage, Nome Russia Fairbanks, Edmonton (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
2. 09:48 AM - Re: Mylar Gap Seals (DuaneFamly@AOL.COM)
3. 10:14 AM - Evans coolant makeup? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
4. 11:26 AM - Re: Evans coolant makeup? (Richard Holder)
5. 01:14 PM - Europa Club Membership (Gerry Holland)
6. 01:14 PM - Re: Evans coolant makeup? (Duncan McFadyean)
7. 01:39 PM - Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
8. 02:09 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (ivor.phillips)
9. 05:07 PM - Wing root fairings (Steve Hagar)
10. 05:19 PM - Re: Wing root fairings ()
11. 06:20 PM - Re: Wing root fairings (Cliff Shaw)
12. 06:26 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (Cliff Shaw)
13. 07:36 PM - Re: Evans coolant makeup? (Dean Seitz)
14. 07:42 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (Dean Seitz)
15. 08:47 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (N55XS)
16. 08:49 PM - Re: Wing root fairings (N55XS)
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Subject: | Was Gap Seals: Anchorage, Nome Russia Fairbanks, Edmonton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hi Thomas!
Hope all has been well. How long do you expect that trip to take? It sound
like a dream! Talk of a trip this spectacular makes me wish all the glue was
dry on my bird...
Tailwinds
Do not archive
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Mylar Gap Seals |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Thomas,
Sounds like a great trip. I'm looking forward to doing similar when I'm done.
One important items that you must not forget to pack........The Europa
Emergency Assistance Team list. There are many people along your route that can
render aid you if you run into trouble. Or even simply need a place to (pardon
the
expression) crash for a night.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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Subject: | Evans coolant makeup? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I have read that Evans coolant is waterless.
What I didn't know is it is Ethylene Glycol based.
Anyone know what is added to Ethylene Glycol to make Evans?
I imagine you want something that is a better conductor of heat, and some sort
of corrosion protection?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: Evans coolant makeup? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Ronald J. Parigoris wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J.
> Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> I have read that Evans coolant is waterless.
>
> What I didn't know is it is Ethylene Glycol based.
>
> Anyone know what is added to Ethylene Glycol to make
> Evans?
>
> I imagine you want something that is a better conductor
> of heat, and some sort of corrosion protection?
>
> Thx. Ron Parigoris
No this is the wrong way round.
The purpose of the Evans is to increase the boiling point
so there are no hot spots generating steam anywhere. In
practice the Evans conducts LESS heat and so the
temperatures recorded with Evans will be HIGHER than the
temperatures with the 50-50 Water-Antifreeze mixture.
I think !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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Subject: | Europa Club Membership |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
Dear Rowland
Hope you have returned from Kemble in one piece!
I thought I would make contact to ask a couple of questions regarding our
handover of data management.
1) Is the Club database cover by Data Protection legislation?
2) Can you send me a CSV of DB from FileMaker so I can do a dummy run?
I'm intending to run the process on MySQL or SQL Server.
No hurry on this as I know you are on holiday soon?
Kindest Regards
Gerry
How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday
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Subject: | Re: Evans coolant makeup? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
You could try asking for the MSDS safety data sheet (if you're in the US).
That may give some clues as to what else is in it.
Duncan Mcf.
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From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> I have read that Evans coolant is waterless.
>
> What I didn't know is it is Ethylene Glycol based.
>
> Anyone know what is added to Ethylene Glycol to make Evans?
>
> I imagine you want something that is a better conductor of heat, and some
> sort of corrosion protection?
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
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Subject: | Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Tri Gear Builders and Riders:
I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling
the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says you
remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge.
Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the back
of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the
holes edge and not all round.
In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower
baggage bay area.
My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not
compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that?
Thanks in advance
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
That's exactly what i done, no problems so far,
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
undercarriage fitted brakes working
flap tube fitted
wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument
panel being finalised,
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Tri Gear Builders and Riders:
>
> I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling
> the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says
> you
> remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge.
>
> Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the
> back
> of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the
> holes edge and not all round.
> In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower
> baggage bay area.
> My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not
> compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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Subject: | Wing root fairings |
2.31 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again. I'm getting
real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all smoothed out and
primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong to have to fire this
thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in places where they kiss the fuselage
continue on curving around to some exent and curl out from the fuselage
slightly. My plan of attack is to heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other
such implement to push inboard on the fairing to over form in to an extent
to get a more flattened or faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial
heat gun would be the thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise?
Hints? Suggestions?
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ
Steve, why do you need a heat gun?
Tom (whoisclosebehindyouandforgotaboutthefairings@thanksforremindingme.org)
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again. I'm
getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all smoothed out
and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong to have to fire
this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in places where they kiss
the fuselage continue on curving around to some exent and curl out from the
fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is to heat each one up and use a 2
by 4 or other such implement to push inboard on the fairing to over form in
to an extent to get a more flattened or faired surface contact. I suppose
an industrial heat gun would be the thing to use. Has anyone else gone
through this exercise? Hints? Suggestions?
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
That is what I found when I put my fairing on. I used a hot-air gun to
soften the fairing . Then pushed and held it till it cooled down. Then slid
the wing back in place to see how it fit - and repeated over and over. I
never did get it to a point I would call perfect. My port fairing seems to
be still flared out a little after 2 years.
Arlington Air-Show starts Wednesday, I hoping to see lots of Europa people
there again this year.
Good luck and hurry up and get it flying. I remember when you started, back
when I was helping Bob build "Beep Beep"
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again.
> I'm getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all
> smoothed out and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong
> to have to fire this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in
> places where they kiss the fuselage continue on curving around to some
> exent and curl out from the fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is to
> heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other such implement to push inboard
> on the fairing to over form in to an extent to get a more flattened or
> faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial heat gun would be the
> thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise? Hints?
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ
>
>
> Steve Hagar
> hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Brian
That is the way I did mine last winter. For such an important step, it seems
a bit "iffy" Mine worked out OK. I was very careful with the positioning of
the struts. I used a 2" angel iron bar on the floor the clamp them too.
I only wish there was a toe-in adjustment made in the design. Some have
suggested different things, but I have not seen any built. I would like to
get better life from my tires. A toe-in adjustment might help, I think.
Good luck with all those lay-ups on the plywood braces. My back still hurts
just thinking about that job.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Tri Gear Builders and Riders:
>
> I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling
> the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says
> you
> remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge.
>
> Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the
> back
> of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the
> holes edge and not all round.
> In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower
> baggage bay area.
> My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not
> compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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Subject: | Evans coolant makeup? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
I just replaced my coolant with the Evans NPG+ coolant. It isn't Ethylene
Glycol based. I can't remember the kind of glycol it is but it starts with
poly(something) glycol. It is on their website but it is down for 48 hrs.
Mine was running at 250 deg. while climbing and would boil the water on a
climb. After changing to evans the temp did not change, still 250 deg on
climb and cruise at 220 deg. But now there is no boiling. This is in Florida
and it is in the high 90's right now.
Dean Seitz
Kit A284
N284A
7.1 Hrs. and had the first flight today with no problems at all finally!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup?
The purpose of the Evans is to increase the boiling point
so there are no hot spots generating steam anywhere. In
practice the Evans conducts LESS heat and so the
temperatures recorded with Evans will be HIGHER than the
temperatures with the 50-50 Water-Antifreeze mixture.
I think !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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Subject: | Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
Yes, that's the way it works out. It's too close to the vertical in the
front to get that measurement. I just tested mine yesterday with a little
bounce and it held up great. No cracks anywhere. Of course it was a planned
test you know. It couldn't have been a mistake (hahaha).
Dean Seitz
A284
N284A
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation.
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Tri Gear Builders and Riders:
I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling
the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says
you
remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge.
Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the back
of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the
holes edge and not all round.
In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower
baggage bay area.
My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not
compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that?
Thanks in advance
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Brian,
I agree with your assessment. In fact, it's exactly what I did. Like
Cliff mentioned, it's a pain in the back, but, with a little effort,
everything will fall into place. Be sure to level the fuselage, fore
and aft and side to side, before starting the gear installation. Also,
make sure your angle iron is level. Due to a slightly unlevel situation
on my shop floor, I had to shim the angle to make things line up...
Jeff - N55XS - Louisiana
Taxing and waiting on FAA inspection...
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>Tri Gear Builders and Riders:
>
> I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling
>the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says you
>remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge.
>
>Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the back
>of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the
>holes edge and not all round.
>In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower
>baggage bay area.
>My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not
>compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Brian Skelly
>Texas
>Europa # A276 TriGear
>See My build photos at:
>http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Steve,
Tried it on my trigear, with limited success. Never could get the
starboard, rear of the faring exactly right. So who's gonna notice a
1/8" at 8000 feet, anyway? :)
Jeff - N55XS - Louisiana
Taxing and waiting on FAA inspection...
Steve Hagar wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
>I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again. I'm getting
real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all smoothed out and
primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong to have to fire this
thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in places where they kiss the fuselage
continue on curving around to some exent and curl out from the fuselage
slightly. My plan of attack is to heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other
such implement to push inboard on the fairing to over form in to an extent
to get a more flattened or faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial
heat gun would be the thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise?
Hints? Suggestions?
>
>
>Steve Hagar
>A143
>Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ
>
>
>
>
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