---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/03/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:51 AM - Was Gap Seals: Anchorage, Nome Russia Fairbanks, Edmonton (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 2. 09:48 AM - Re: Mylar Gap Seals (DuaneFamly@AOL.COM) 3. 10:14 AM - Evans coolant makeup? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 4. 11:26 AM - Re: Evans coolant makeup? (Richard Holder) 5. 01:14 PM - Europa Club Membership (Gerry Holland) 6. 01:14 PM - Re: Evans coolant makeup? (Duncan McFadyean) 7. 01:39 PM - Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 8. 02:09 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (ivor.phillips) 9. 05:07 PM - Wing root fairings (Steve Hagar) 10. 05:19 PM - Re: Wing root fairings () 11. 06:20 PM - Re: Wing root fairings (Cliff Shaw) 12. 06:26 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (Cliff Shaw) 13. 07:36 PM - Re: Evans coolant makeup? (Dean Seitz) 14. 07:42 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (Dean Seitz) 15. 08:47 PM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (N55XS) 16. 08:49 PM - Re: Wing root fairings (N55XS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:08 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Was Gap Seals: Anchorage, Nome Russia Fairbanks, Edmonton --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Hi Thomas! Hope all has been well. How long do you expect that trip to take? It sound like a dream! Talk of a trip this spectacular makes me wish all the glue was dry on my bird... Tailwinds Do not archive Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:53 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mylar Gap Seals --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Thomas, Sounds like a great trip. I'm looking forward to doing similar when I'm done. One important items that you must not forget to pack........The Europa Emergency Assistance Team list. There are many people along your route that can render aid you if you run into trouble. Or even simply need a place to (pardon the expression) crash for a night. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:52 AM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" I have read that Evans coolant is waterless. What I didn't know is it is Ethylene Glycol based. Anyone know what is added to Ethylene Glycol to make Evans? I imagine you want something that is a better conductor of heat, and some sort of corrosion protection? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:33 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup? --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Ronald J. Parigoris wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. > Parigoris" > > I have read that Evans coolant is waterless. > > What I didn't know is it is Ethylene Glycol based. > > Anyone know what is added to Ethylene Glycol to make > Evans? > > I imagine you want something that is a better conductor > of heat, and some sort of corrosion protection? > > Thx. Ron Parigoris No this is the wrong way round. The purpose of the Evans is to increase the boiling point so there are no hot spots generating steam anywhere. In practice the Evans conducts LESS heat and so the temperatures recorded with Evans will be HIGHER than the temperatures with the 50-50 Water-Antifreeze mixture. I think ! Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Membership From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Dear Rowland Hope you have returned from Kemble in one piece! I thought I would make contact to ask a couple of questions regarding our handover of data management. 1) Is the Club database cover by Data Protection legislation? 2) Can you send me a CSV of DB from FileMaker so I can do a dummy run? I'm intending to run the process on MySQL or SQL Server. No hurry on this as I know you are on holiday soon? Kindest Regards Gerry How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:43 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" You could try asking for the MSDS safety data sheet (if you're in the US). That may give some clues as to what else is in it. Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > > I have read that Evans coolant is waterless. > > What I didn't know is it is Ethylene Glycol based. > > Anyone know what is added to Ethylene Glycol to make Evans? > > I imagine you want something that is a better conductor of heat, and some > sort of corrosion protection? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:47 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Tri Gear Builders and Riders: I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says you remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge. Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the back of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the holes edge and not all round. In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower baggage bay area. My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that? Thanks in advance Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:10 PM PST US From: "ivor.phillips" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" That's exactly what i done, no problems so far, Ivor Phillips XS486 London UK CM Installed, rudder cables complete, undercarriage fitted brakes working flap tube fitted wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument panel being finalised, ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > Tri Gear Builders and Riders: > > I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling > the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says > you > remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge. > > Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the > back > of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the > holes edge and not all round. > In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower > baggage bay area. > My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not > compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that? > > Thanks in advance > > Brian Skelly > Texas > Europa # A276 TriGear > See My build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:54 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings 2.31 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again. I'm getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all smoothed out and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong to have to fire this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in places where they kiss the fuselage continue on curving around to some exent and curl out from the fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is to heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other such implement to push inboard on the fairing to over form in to an extent to get a more flattened or faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial heat gun would be the thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise? Hints? Suggestions? Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:30 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing root fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ Steve, why do you need a heat gun? Tom (whoisclosebehindyouandforgotaboutthefairings@thanksforremindingme.org) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again. I'm getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all smoothed out and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong to have to fire this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in places where they kiss the fuselage continue on curving around to some exent and curl out from the fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is to heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other such implement to push inboard on the fairing to over form in to an extent to get a more flattened or faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial heat gun would be the thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise? Hints? Suggestions? Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net -- -- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:47 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing root fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Steve That is what I found when I put my fairing on. I used a hot-air gun to soften the fairing . Then pushed and held it till it cooled down. Then slid the wing back in place to see how it fit - and repeated over and over. I never did get it to a point I would call perfect. My port fairing seems to be still flared out a little after 2 years. Arlington Air-Show starts Wednesday, I hoping to see lots of Europa people there again this year. Good luck and hurry up and get it flying. I remember when you started, back when I was helping Bob build "Beep Beep" Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > > I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again. > I'm getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all > smoothed out and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong > to have to fire this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in > places where they kiss the fuselage continue on curving around to some > exent and curl out from the fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is to > heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other such implement to push inboard > on the fairing to over form in to an extent to get a more flattened or > faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial heat gun would be the > thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise? Hints? > Suggestions? > > > Steve Hagar > A143 > Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ > > > Steve Hagar > hagargs@earthlink.net > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:56 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Brian That is the way I did mine last winter. For such an important step, it seems a bit "iffy" Mine worked out OK. I was very careful with the positioning of the struts. I used a 2" angel iron bar on the floor the clamp them too. I only wish there was a toe-in adjustment made in the design. Some have suggested different things, but I have not seen any built. I would like to get better life from my tires. A toe-in adjustment might help, I think. Good luck with all those lay-ups on the plywood braces. My back still hurts just thinking about that job. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > Tri Gear Builders and Riders: > > I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling > the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says > you > remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge. > > Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the > back > of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the > holes edge and not all round. > In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower > baggage bay area. > My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not > compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that? > > Thanks in advance > > Brian Skelly > Texas > Europa # A276 TriGear > See My build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:41 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" I just replaced my coolant with the Evans NPG+ coolant. It isn't Ethylene Glycol based. I can't remember the kind of glycol it is but it starts with poly(something) glycol. It is on their website but it is down for 48 hrs. Mine was running at 250 deg. while climbing and would boil the water on a climb. After changing to evans the temp did not change, still 250 deg on climb and cruise at 220 deg. But now there is no boiling. This is in Florida and it is in the high 90's right now. Dean Seitz Kit A284 N284A 7.1 Hrs. and had the first flight today with no problems at all finally!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup? The purpose of the Evans is to increase the boiling point so there are no hot spots generating steam anywhere. In practice the Evans conducts LESS heat and so the temperatures recorded with Evans will be HIGHER than the temperatures with the 50-50 Water-Antifreeze mixture. I think ! Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:17 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" Yes, that's the way it works out. It's too close to the vertical in the front to get that measurement. I just tested mine yesterday with a little bounce and it held up great. No cracks anywhere. Of course it was a planned test you know. It couldn't have been a mistake (hahaha). Dean Seitz A284 N284A -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Tri Gear Builders and Riders: I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says you remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge. Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the back of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the holes edge and not all round. In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower baggage bay area. My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that? Thanks in advance Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:36 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Brian, I agree with your assessment. In fact, it's exactly what I did. Like Cliff mentioned, it's a pain in the back, but, with a little effort, everything will fall into place. Be sure to level the fuselage, fore and aft and side to side, before starting the gear installation. Also, make sure your angle iron is level. Due to a slightly unlevel situation on my shop floor, I had to shim the angle to make things line up... Jeff - N55XS - Louisiana Taxing and waiting on FAA inspection... EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > >Tri Gear Builders and Riders: > > I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling >the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says you >remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge. > >Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the back >of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the >holes edge and not all round. >In addition cutting on the side wound go into the side piece of the lower >baggage bay area. >My assumption is to only remove the 3 mm foam that can be access by not >compromising the cockpit module. Anyone disagree with that? > >Thanks in advance > >Brian Skelly >Texas >Europa # A276 TriGear >See My build photos at: >http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:54 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing root fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Steve, Tried it on my trigear, with limited success. Never could get the starboard, rear of the faring exactly right. So who's gonna notice a 1/8" at 8000 feet, anyway? :) Jeff - N55XS - Louisiana Taxing and waiting on FAA inspection... Steve Hagar wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > >I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again. I'm getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all smoothed out and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong to have to fire this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in places where they kiss the fuselage continue on curving around to some exent and curl out from the fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is to heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other such implement to push inboard on the fairing to over form in to an extent to get a more flattened or faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial heat gun would be the thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise? Hints? Suggestions? > > >Steve Hagar >A143 >Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ > > > >