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1. 12:03 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (Peter Grant)
2. 01:23 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (willie harrison)
3. 01:23 AM - Wobbly props (willie harrison)
4. 01:48 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (Richard Holder)
5. 01:49 AM - Re: Wobbly props (Richard Holder)
6. 04:17 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (Jim Butcher)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (Jack Heijboer)
8. 08:20 AM - NPG+ coolant (John & Paddy Wigney)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: Wobbly props (Paul McAllister)
10. 09:26 AM - Re: Wobbly props (MICHAEL PARKIN)
11. 09:56 AM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. (Alexander Kaarsberg)
12. 11:02 AM - Re: Tri Gear rear gear Thanks to ALL (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
13. 01:32 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/03/05 (Graham Singleton)
14. 02:41 PM - flying for fun - lost & found (Rowland Carson)
15. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Attaching tailwheel fork (danbish)
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Subject: | Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Hi Cliff, Europa Flyer man here. We've just finished 'Flying For Fun' in
the UK (the old Popular Flying Magazine rally'. If you get any nice pics at
Arlington, they'd be appreciated for the magazine.
Thanks and regards
Peter Grant
Editor, Europa Flyer, part owner of G-OGAN TriGear 912S +Airmaster (we love
our wobbly prop!).
10 The Sidings, Horncastle, Lincs LN9 5UA, UK
Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
That is what I found when I put my fairing on. I used a hot-air gun to
soften the fairing . Then pushed and held it till it cooled down. Then slid
the wing back in place to see how it fit - and repeated over and over. I
never did get it to a point I would call perfect. My port fairing seems to
be still flared out a little after 2 years.
Arlington Air-Show starts Wednesday, I hoping to see lots of Europa people
there again this year.
Good luck and hurry up and get it flying. I remember when you started, back
when I was helping Bob build "Beep Beep"
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again.
> I'm getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all
> smoothed out and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm gong
> to have to fire this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in
> places where they kiss the fuselage continue on curving around to some
> exent and curl out from the fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is to
> heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other such implement to push inboard
> on the fairing to over form in to an extent to get a more flattened or
> faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial heat gun would be the
> thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise? Hints?
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ
>
>
> Steve Hagar
> hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
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Subject: | Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
I've heard that someone out there has a cunning scheme which uses
silicone rubber to form a smooth joint between the wing root fairing and
the fuselage. It is bonded to one surface but prevented from sticking to
the other using some kind of non-stick material (?grease proof paper?
Vaseline?). If anyone knows any more about this I'd be pleased to hear
it as my aircraft has gaps between 1/8 and 1/4" which I suspect cause
loads of extra drag.
Cheers
Willie Harrison G-BZNY
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Grant
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant"
<peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Hi Cliff, Europa Flyer man here. We've just finished 'Flying For Fun'
in
the UK (the old Popular Flying Magazine rally'. If you get any nice
pics at
Arlington, they'd be appreciated for the magazine.
Thanks and regards
Peter Grant
Editor, Europa Flyer, part owner of G-OGAN TriGear 912S +Airmaster (we
love
our wobbly prop!).
10 The Sidings, Horncastle, Lincs LN9 5UA, UK
Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
That is what I found when I put my fairing on. I used a hot-air gun to
soften the fairing . Then pushed and held it till it cooled down. Then
slid
the wing back in place to see how it fit - and repeated over and over.
I
never did get it to a point I would call perfect. My port fairing seems
to
be still flared out a little after 2 years.
Arlington Air-Show starts Wednesday, I hoping to see lots of Europa
people
there again this year.
Good luck and hurry up and get it flying. I remember when you started,
back
when I was helping Bob build "Beep Beep"
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar"
<hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm not sure if I had broached this subject before so here goes again.
> I'm getting real close, the interior's done and the fuselage is all
> smoothed out and primed. I 'm doing mop up operations, some day I'm
gong
> to have to fire this thing up and fly it. My wing root fairings in
> places where they kiss the fuselage continue on curving around to some
> exent and curl out from the fuselage slightly. My plan of attack is
to
> heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other such implement to push
inboard
> on the fairing to over form in to an extent to get a more flattened
or
> faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial heat gun would be
the
> thing to use. Has anyone else gone through this exercise? Hints?
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, (god its hot!) AZ
>
>
> Steve Hagar
> hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
What's the best wobbly prop to put on a 912S?
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I've heard that someone out there has a cunning scheme
> which uses silicone rubber to form a smooth joint
> between the wing root fairing and the fuselage. It is
> bonded to one surface but prevented from sticking to
> the other using some kind of non-stick material
> (?grease proof paper? Vaseline?). If anyone knows any
> more about this I'd be pleased to hear it as my
> aircraft has gaps between 1/8 and 1/4" which I suspect
> cause loads of extra drag.
On G-OWWW we put masking tape on the fuselage all the way
round the contact point with the fairing. The we put the
wings on. Then we forced silicone sealant (as per baths !)
into the crack between the masking tape and the fairing,
and smoothed off the outer face. Allow to set.
Remove wings carefully. The sealant stays on the wings -
remove masking tape.
Bob your mother's brother !
It actually needs redoing now - 2 1/2 years later.--
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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Subject: | Re: Wobbly props |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> What's the best wobbly prop to put on a 912S?
How long is a piece of string ? :-)
My Airmaster is great. BUT PUT THE HEAVY DUTY STARTER
MOTOR ON right from the beginning.
--
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Steve,
We did the same thing except we overbent the fairing a little since it will
spring back. We also measured at several points and then heated and pushed
using a 2x4 so we didn't have to rig and rerig over and over again. They
came out pretty good and will have white tape over them anyway.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
Working on the checklist!
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Subject: | Wing root fairings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jack Heijboer" <j.heijboer@vmij.nl>
On PH-JGW I squeezed silicone on the fairing lots of it, then covered it with
household foil and fitted the wings. You must tape the fairing on the outside
first, so that excess silicone will not stick to the outside of yr fairing after
you pressed yr wing against the fuselage. After silicone has cured, pull back
the wing and cut across the rim excess silicone off with a sharp knife.
Jack Heijboer
Europa 206
The Netherlands
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Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens Richard Holder
Verzonden: maandag 4 juli 2005 10:48
Aan: europa-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Europa-List: Wing root fairings
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I've heard that someone out there has a cunning scheme
> which uses silicone rubber to form a smooth joint
> between the wing root fairing and the fuselage. It is
> bonded to one surface but prevented from sticking to
> the other using some kind of non-stick material
> (?grease proof paper? Vaseline?). If anyone knows any
> more about this I'd be pleased to hear it as my
> aircraft has gaps between 1/8 and 1/4" which I suspect
> cause loads of extra drag.
On G-OWWW we put masking tape on the fuselage all the way
round the contact point with the fairing. The we put the
wings on. Then we forced silicone sealant (as per baths !)
into the crack between the masking tape and the fairing,
and smoothed off the outer face. Allow to set.
Remove wings carefully. The sealant stays on the wings -
remove masking tape.
Bob your mother's brother !
It actually needs redoing now - 2 1/2 years later.--
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Ron,
<<<<<<<<Time: 10:14:52 AM PST US
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Evans coolant makeup?
I have read that Evans coolant is waterless.
What I didn't know is it is Ethylene Glycol based.
Anyone know what is added to Ethylene Glycol to make Evans?
I imagine you want something that is a better conductor of heat, and some sort
of corrosion protection? Thx. Ron Parigoris >>>>>>>>>>
If you go to the NPG+ web page at
http://www.evanscooling.com/html/npgPls.htm you will see a lot of
verbiage and not much detail since Evans obviously wish to protect their
proprietary recipe. Bottom line is that the prime ingredient is
propylene glycol, other additives are possibly for anti-corrosion and/or
lubrication of water pump seals. (Quote: The NPG controlling chemical,
propylene glycol, is non-poisonous, and used in such products as
pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, and even foods and therefore NPG is already
classified as "safe".) Propylene glycol has somewhat similar properties
to ethylene glycol and Google will give you more information if you are
interested.
I changed my coolant to NPG+ at the last annual and have run it for
about 25 hours. I have seen no significant change. Cooling has not been
a problem for me in the Carolinas with ambient temps of 90+ degF (32+
degC) with 50/50 ethylene glycol, so the change may well have been
unnecessary but I thought it would give me extra insurance in severe
conditions. I have not done a careful log of my coolant temperatures
since day 1 but it is my impression that as the engine has become run
in, the coolant temperatures have dropped.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S, 410 hrs
Mooresville, North Carolina
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Subject: | Re: Wobbly props |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Willie,
I have been very satisfied with my Airmaster.
Paul
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Wobbly props |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
> What's the best wobbly prop to put on a 912S?
I guess everyone has a favourite.
I have an Airmaster fitted to my 914 and I have been extremely satisfied
with it. My prop is an early '308' and suffers from an occasional speed
fluctuation if the sun gets on the speed encoder on the rear of the spinner.
I understand that the problem is cured on later model controllers.
Nevertheless, I think the airmaster is first class. It has to be said that
many other people with different makes of 'wobbly prop' are equally
satisfied with their choice.
regards,
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Tri Gear rear gear socket installation. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Brian wrote:
> > I'm beginning chapter 29 and reading instruction on location and drilling
> >the hole for the rear legs. After the holes are drilled, the manual says you
> >remove the 3 mm foam to the outer skin 1 1/2 inch around the out edge.
> >
> >Impossible task as the hole location will be is a narrow 32 mm from the back
> >of the cockpit module. Certainly they must mean the area aft side of the
> >holes edge and not all round.
If I'm not mistaken, and apologies if so but I think that there was a typo in the
manual at this point- it is years ago but it may never have been corrected?
Any comments out there?
Alex, kit 529
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Subject: | Re: Tri Gear rear gear Thanks to ALL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hi Alex:
In fact you are correct, The manual original said to remove the OUTER skin
and not the inner. < Per Andy just today> Fortunately my manual was correct.
That being said Andy approved what I had done. The mother of all lay-up
started on the starboard side this morning.
Cliff... AKA Wile E. Coyote: You are correct. My back gave out before I
could start the port side.
Thanks to all the many responses. Dean the photo was just the ticket.
Sometime I think I just could not complete this bird without ALL of you guys help
and ideas.
Taking Tylenol for the back and stationed ready and the grill in celebration
of Independence Day!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/03/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
My plan of attack is to heat each one up and use a 2 by 4 or other
such implement to push inboard on the fairing to over form in to an extent
to get a more flattened or faired surface contact. I suppose an industrial
heat gun would be the thing to use.
Trouble is you will probably soften the fuselage skin at the same time and it will
distort. If you can deflect the wing root and hold it firm while you carefully
heat the root only you may get away with it.
Graham
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Subject: | flying for fun - lost & found |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
While clearing up the Europa Club stand at the end of Flying For Fun,
we came across a couple of items of clothing that no-one then present
claimed. If the owners of a fleece and a waistcoat can provide some
identifying details, we will endeavor to re-unite them with their
property.
Contact Rowland Carson off-list <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> to pursue
this, please.
regards
Rowland
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email for info!
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| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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Subject: | Re: RE: Attaching tailwheel fork |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
[quote:4d8d01f5b7="SteveD"] Maybe some light emery paper to clean up the threads.
Put it on as far as it will go, put a deep socket on the bushing end a tap
it down gently with a rubber mallet. Steved[/quote:4d8d01f5b7]
Steve,
Got the tail wheel on per your suggestions; just needed to force it a bit. Now,
the manual says to tighten the castle nut tight enough to eliminate play but
not restrict movement of the tail wheel fork. Am I right in assuming that they're
talking about play in the tail wheel fork, and not the wheel itself. Seems
like you'd want the tail wheel to pretty much swing freely. Just don't want to
over tighten, then drill that hole in the wrong place.
Also, I replaced the washer as the EURO 036 didn't seat flush on the fork. I assume
this is OK too.
Have you drilled the hole through the spring shaft yet? I love the way the manual
subtlety states that we need a sharp bit for that! I have about a half dozen
at the ready as I think that's going to be a bear.
Thanks for the help. Hope your building is going well,
Dan
Tucson, AZ
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