---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/05/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:38 AM - FFF (G-IANI) 2. 05:19 AM - Emailing: ohmygod (MR!PAUL MITCHELL) 3. 05:19 AM - Emailing: ohmygod (MR!PAUL MITCHELL) 4. 06:17 AM - Europa Trigear Kit For Sale (David Simenauer) 5. 06:44 AM - wing root fairings (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 6. 06:49 AM - Power Performance Chart (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 7. 09:23 AM - Wing root fairings (nigel charles) 8. 10:54 AM - 914 yellow corrosion with green mold (Ronald J. Parigoris) 9. 12:27 PM - Evans coolant .9 bar cap? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 10. 12:44 PM - Lundy Fly-in (DOTH weekend) (Duncan McFadyean) 11. 01:04 PM - Re: Emailing: ohmygod (SteveD) 12. 02:24 PM - Re: Lundy Fly-in / mid week Doth (Bryan Allsop) 13. 02:55 PM - Re: Power Performance Chart (Tim Weert) 14. 03:12 PM - Re: Lundy Fly-in / mid week Doth (APethers@aol.com) 15. 03:42 PM - Re: Wing root fairings (Kingsley Hurst) 16. 04:08 PM - Re: Lundy Fly-in / mid week Doth (Duncan McFadyean) 17. 05:28 PM - Re: Evans coolant .9 bar cap? (Matthew Carpenter) 18. 11:52 PM - Re: Wing root fairings (DuaneFamly@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:13 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: Europa-List: FFF --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" My thanks to all those that helped by manning the Europa Stand and Composite demonstrations area at Flying for Fun last weekend. The factory were very appreciative of your efforts as was Cliff Piper who co-ordinates all the activities in the Home build Tent. This year we did fewer epoxy demonstrations due mainly to the conducted tours for children. It seemed wise not to have items being made, and wet epoxy about, when the groups arrived every few minutes. If we have the tours next year then the answer may be to have more helpers on the stand during this period. I still have a couple of ready made throttle boxes available if anyone want to avoid making their own. Offers over GBP 10.00 (proceeds to Club funds) will be considered. If anyone has, or has seen, an F23 (Fuel inlet cover moulding) which has been cut lengthways please let me know. This item, belonging to a member, was there to be modified and disappeared during the show. At GBP 45.00, this is an expensive item to have disappear and the owner would greatly appreciate its return. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:51 AM PST US From: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Subject: Europa-List: Emailing: ohmygod --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Gents, Not really for the forum . But! New low flying rule. Paul Mitchell Do not archive. The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: ohmygod Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:53 AM PST US From: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Subject: Europa-List: Emailing: ohmygod --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Gents, Not really for the forum . But! New low flying rule. Paul Mitchell Do not archive. The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: ohmygod Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:48 AM PST US From: "David Simenauer" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Trigear Kit For Sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" Just a reminder that I have a trigear kit for sale. Contact me off line for information. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: wing root fairings From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu 07/05/2005 09:43:40 AM, Serialize complete at 07/05/2005 09:43:40 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Hi All, The FlightCrafts folks recommended an easy approach to the fairing gap. At least it is less dicey than heating the fairing and fuselage to beyond Tg. I was sent to the local Home Depot to find insulating foam tape which neatly fills the gap, albeit with a somewhat porous surface. The open foam surface does not seem to impact my cruise speed very much at about 135kts at 22 inches MP at 5000 msl Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Power Performance Chart From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu 07/05/2005 09:48:51 AM, Serialize complete at 07/05/2005 09:48:51 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Hi All, Is anyone ready to share a power performance table for the constant speed prop- Rotax combinations out there? I am looking for the kind of table which includes RPM, MP, fuel Flow, KIAS, TAS at different throttle settings and different density altitudes. I have not yet been able to do this for 224XS because my Floscan sensor does not seem to be detected by my BlueMountain and I am awaiting a different instrument. Ira ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:21 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: Europa-List: Wing root fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" I have not been following this subject so forgive me if the following has already been suggested. An alternative way of sealing wing fairings can be very neatly achieved using a hockey stick shaped rubber trim supplied by Wicks. This is glued to the inboard side of the fairing with the foot of the hockey stick overhanging the edge. This solution should be both attractive and durable. As older Europas like mine had greater variations in fuselage mouldings it was often easier to get a better fairing by using foam and wet layup to create a perfectly shaped fairing for the individual aircraft as described in earlier versions of the manual. Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:06 AM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: 914 yellow corrosion with green mold --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Anyone ever see yellow powdery stuff that looks like corrosion, with some sort of green stuff that looks like mold on top of the yellow, on the front part of crankcase and cylinders of a new still in crate Rotax 914? What is good way to remove it? Anything recommended to put on motor to prevent this? I can send a pic. Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:27 PM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Evans coolant .9 bar cap? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" After reading on Evans site, I gave them a call about the radiator cap. I have a 1.2 bar cap, and Evans said to not use it, the max. upper limit, use the .9 bar cap. I never read this in any Rotax instructions, Lockwood is looking into. Anyone out there flying with a 1.2 bar cap? Thx. Ron Parigoris BTW got to the bottom of the makeup of their coolant: NPG is all Propylene Glycol, and can be used on race tracks that ban ethylene Glycol NPG+ is a blend of Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol with some proprietary additions.The can of NPG+ says on the label that it is Ethylene Glycol based Rotax says in an emergency you can add Propylene Glycol but need to change it in 15 days. Evans said in an emergency, you can if there is at least 50% remaining NPG+ either propylene Glycol (hard to find) or Ethylene Glycol. Best to drain/flush with prep fluid as soon as you can and refill with NPG+. Evans said if there is more than 50% gone, then drain it all out and fill with a 50/50 mix. I would follow rotax max. temperatures that will be less than with Evans, watch what cap you have as the .9 will allow less heat compared to the 1.2. When you get home, drain and fill with water and run engine. Drain water and fill with prep fluid, Prep fluid is heavier than water/antifreeze so you can get rid of undesirable water/antifreeze from high point before you drain it. I talked with rotax service center, and will follow fill and drain new motor with prep fluid to be certain. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:20 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Europa-List: Lundy Fly-in (DOTH weekend) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" UK forecast is looking promising for the weekend. Anyone up for a DOTH to Lundy? The Devon Strut haas published some subsidiary information as follows: "This Sunday 10th July is our Annual Fly In to Lundy Island. There are some updates, the strip will be cut this week, marker stones now extend back to the threshold on the eastern approach, the threshold is marked, Booking in and landing charges will be made up beside the strip, 10.00 for Lundy and 3.50 for National Trust, lunch is available at The Tavern,two small flags will mark the runway on the rise to assist lining up for departure. Please contact Pete White 07774017704 or Terry Wilson 07779416564 for strip briefing and local weather. Details are also available on www.devonstrut.co.uk " Duncan McF. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:53 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Emailing: ohmygod From: "SteveD" --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" This is the file Paul was trying to attach.... That'll get you heart going... Steved Note: Strong language Do not archive ---------------- This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=6715#6715 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:25 PM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lundy Fly-in / mid week Doth --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" Duncan, I was thinking of doing a midweek (Monday or Tuesday) to North Coates. Since this is likely to be limited to those of a slightly more mature age group than yourself, is it likely to conflict? Regards., Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Europa-List: Lundy Fly-in (DOTH weekend) > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > > > UK forecast is looking promising for the weekend. > Anyone up for a DOTH to Lundy? > > The Devon Strut haas published some subsidiary information as follows: > > "This Sunday 10th July is our Annual Fly In to Lundy Island. > There are some updates, the strip will be cut this week, marker stones now > extend back to the threshold on the eastern approach, the threshold is > marked, Booking in and landing charges will be made up beside the strip, > 10.00 for Lundy and 3.50 for National Trust, lunch is available at The > Tavern,two small flags will mark the runway on the rise to assist lining > up > for departure. Please contact Pete White 07774017704 or Terry Wilson > 07779416564 for strip briefing and local weather. Details are also > available > on www.devonstrut.co.uk " > > Duncan McF. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:40 PM PST US From: "Tim Weert" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Power Performance Chart --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" Hi Ira, I placed the same question on this forum last year, but there was little responce. After I have figured out the data from my bird I'll post it for general use. what I did for the time being is using a copy of page 10-3, page 10-4 and page 10-5 of your Rotax 914 manual at the rear of your Checklist. That will help a lot. In the future I'll install a fuel flow indicator! Regards, Tim Weert PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914 AP332 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Power Performance Chart > --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > > Hi All, > > Is anyone ready to share a power performance table for the constant speed > prop- Rotax combinations out there? > > I am looking for the kind of table which includes RPM, MP, fuel Flow, > KIAS, TAS at different throttle settings and different density altitudes. > > I have not yet been able to do this for 224XS because my Floscan sensor > does not seem to be detected by my BlueMountain and I am awaiting > a different instrument. > > Ira > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:39 PM PST US From: APethers@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lundy Fly-in / mid week Doth --> Europa-List message posted by: APethers@aol.com Hi Brian, North Coates is better on a Wednesday as there will be people around as it is a club maintenance day, otherwise a weekend is good. Unfortunately I cannot be there this week as I have to work away but can be there at a weekend. Club website is on _Http://www.northcoatesflyingclub.co.uk_ (http://www.northcoatesflyingclub.co.uk) for more information on airfield and procedures during the week. There is Donna Nook bombing range 800 metres to the south of the runway which makes life interesting sometimes Regards Alan Petherbridge ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:32 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing root fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Nigel, You said:- > As older Europas like mine had greater variations in fuselage mouldings it was often easier . . . . Can this statement be construed as to mean the earlier fuselages were made in different moulds ? I have looked for a logical explanation why my fuselage halves were not a good combination while Tony Renshaw's fit together beautifully. Since he is using the fuselage cradle I made up, I have always wondered where I could have gone wrong so I'm hoping this might explain. Regards Kingsley ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:23 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lundy Fly-in / mid week Doth --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Not really; it's weekday prejudice I have a problem with, not 'age-ism'! Duncan McF. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lundy Fly-in / mid week Doth > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > > > Duncan, > > I was thinking of doing a midweek (Monday or Tuesday) to North Coates. > Since > this is likely to be limited to those of a slightly more mature age group > than yourself, is it likely to conflict? > > Regards., Bryan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan McFadyean" > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Lundy Fly-in (DOTH weekend) > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" >> >> >> UK forecast is looking promising for the weekend. >> Anyone up for a DOTH to Lundy? >> >> The Devon Strut haas published some subsidiary information as follows: >> >> "This Sunday 10th July is our Annual Fly In to Lundy Island. >> There are some updates, the strip will be cut this week, marker stones >> now >> extend back to the threshold on the eastern approach, the threshold is >> marked, Booking in and landing charges will be made up beside the strip, >> 10.00 for Lundy and 3.50 for National Trust, lunch is available at The >> Tavern,two small flags will mark the runway on the rise to assist lining >> up >> for departure. Please contact Pete White 07774017704 or Terry Wilson >> 07779416564 for strip briefing and local weather. Details are also >> available >> on www.devonstrut.co.uk " >> >> Duncan McF. >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Evans coolant .9 bar cap? From: Matthew Carpenter --> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter Rotax 914 We are about to replace our 50/50 coolant with Evans NPG+. I would love to know if we need to replace the cap up top. Also, our EIS has a wire pair for coolant temps, I have the ring and the temp sensor, so we are hooking it up this weekend. Anybody else think this is important data to have from the engine? Cylinder head temps are always good, but our oil temps are still higher then I like. Eample: OAT 97F, 900ft Climb, Oil Temp hits 266F in just a few minutes. Of course as soon as I level out the temps begin to fall. We even lowered the Oil cooler (mod) to help with air flow, as well as we added a new air channel to direct more fresh air to the oil cooler. It helped ALOT! Matt Carpenter A138 N138WJ Amarillo, Texas Ronald J. Parigoris wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > >After reading on Evans site, I gave them a call about the radiator cap. I have a 1.2 bar >cap, and Evans said to not use it, the max. upper limit, use the .9 bar cap. > >I never read this in any Rotax instructions, Lockwood is looking into. > >Anyone out there flying with a 1.2 bar cap? > >Thx. >Ron Parigoris > >BTW got to the bottom of the makeup of their coolant: >NPG is all Propylene Glycol, and can be used on race tracks that ban ethylene Glycol > >NPG+ is a blend of Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol with some proprietary additions.The >can of NPG+ says on the label that it is Ethylene Glycol based > >Rotax says in an emergency you can add Propylene Glycol but need to change it in 15 days. >Evans said in an emergency, you can if there is at least 50% remaining NPG+ either >propylene Glycol (hard to find) or Ethylene Glycol. Best to drain/flush with prep fluid as >soon as you can and refill with NPG+. > >Evans said if there is more than 50% gone, then drain it all out and fill with a 50/50 mix. >I would follow rotax max. temperatures that will be less than with Evans, watch what cap >you have as the .9 will allow less heat compared to the 1.2. When you get home, drain and >fill with water and run engine. Drain water and fill with prep fluid, Prep fluid is heavier >than water/antifreeze so you can get rid of undesirable water/antifreeze from high point >before you drain it. > >I talked with rotax service center, and will follow fill and drain new motor with prep >fluid to be certain. > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:29 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing root fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Cliff & All Arlington Europaphiles, My wife and I will be arriving at the Arlington onsite campground space AG10 on Wednesday, July 6th. A cold soda, or warm drink if the rain continues, to all that come by for some story sharing. Mike & Christine Duane A207 XS Conventional Gear Redding, California White Camper on a grey Silverado truck