Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:48 AM - Re: prop balancer (Rowland Carson)
2. 03:18 AM - Re: prop balancer (Bryan Allsop)
3. 03:19 AM - labels (Paul Stewart)
4. 04:12 AM - Re: Lydeway Fly-In (David Joyce)
5. 04:27 AM - Re: Lydeway Fly-In (Gerry Holland)
6. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: nextel paint (UVTReith@aol.com)
7. 05:07 AM - Re: Re: nextel paint (UVTReith@aol.com)
8. 05:35 AM - Re: labels (Gerry Holland)
9. 05:42 AM - Re: Crss Wind Landings (Fergus Kyle)
10. 06:09 AM - Re: Crss Wind Landings (Peter Grant)
11. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: labels ()
12. 08:05 AM - Re: Crss Wind Landings (Jos Okhuijsen)
13. 09:21 AM - Panel Layouts (willie harrison)
14. 11:43 AM - Revision to Chapter 29T NOT APPROVED! (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
15. 12:22 PM - Re: Lydeway Fly-In (Dari Sagar)
16. 12:48 PM - Re: Crss Wind Landings (MICHAEL PARKIN)
17. 01:44 PM - Re: Crss Wind Landings (Jos Okhuijsen)
18. 02:37 PM - Re: Crss Wind Landings (Paul Boulet)
19. 02:59 PM - Re: prop balancer (William Mills)
20. 03:10 PM - Re: Cross Wind Landings (Gerry Holland)
21. 05:24 PM - Oshkosh Forum (Jim Butcher)
22. 06:08 PM - Rudder side to side freeplay (Ronald J. Parigoris)
23. 07:23 PM - Re: Rudder side to side freeplay (Cliff Shaw)
24. 08:54 PM - Today was the day... (N55XS)
25. 09:36 PM - Re: Today was the day... (Cliff Shaw)
26. 10:47 PM - Re: Rudder side to side freeplay (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | Re: prop balancer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-07-10 10:35 +0100 Duncan McFadyean wrote:
>Where can we hire one without the (self) trained operator
Duncan - you may need to discuss that option with PFA Engineeering!
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: prop balancer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Mark Burton did design it to very easy to use, well within the competence of
a Europa builder. I think you may qualify Duncan!
The problem from the point of view of the Committee, is separating the Club
from any liability. Rotating props. are dangerous things.
Regards. Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> Hi Duncan,
> I have been assured that any Club member can hire the Club balancer for
> self
> use (like any of the other Club tool) provided the member can justify that
> he / she is sufficiently competent to use it. I am sure you would
> qualify,
> Duncan. If one follows the instructions carefully, it is very easy to use
> and it does a great job.
> Best wishes,
> William
>
> Do not archive
>
>>> Rowland wrote:
>>> Graham - The Europa Club has purchased a prop balancer and it's
>>> available to all Club members at a modest charge, complete with
>>> trained operator! (For non-members, I guess the charge will be higher
>>> ..) Contact Pete Jeffers <inspector@europaclub.org.uk> for more
,
>>> I bought one too, which can also be hired with a trained operator!
>>> Graham
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
I have modified the instrument module to take the BMA EFIS 1 and had sub
panels laser cut (see
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=panel-modification&id=panel_7&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php)
I have an idea it might be possible to get similar laser cut overlays
with labels (switches etc). Does anyone know of companies doing such things?
regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: Lydeway Fly-In |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Nigel, Please may I be included . You may remember (I had to pull out last
year afew days before because of some disaster. I will do my best to avoid
such this year and would be delighted to fly some locals. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Lydeway Fly-In
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> I will be holding the Lydeway Fly-In again this year. The date will be
> the 27th August with the 28th as a backup day in case of bad weather. A
> free BBQ will be available in exchange for taking a couple of local
> residents on short local flights. The event is limited to 10 visiting
> aircraft. Priority is given to Europa Club members if the event is over
> subscribed. For those not familiar Lydeway is an airstrip in the middle
> of Wiltshire (790m grass 28/10). Anyone interested should e-mail me at
> nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk.
> .
>
> Nigel Charles
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lydeway Fly-In |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
David Hi!
> ........ and would be delighted to fly some locals.
More like natives! Remember this is darkest Wiltshire!!
Regards
Gerry
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: nextel paint |
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| Subject: | Re: nextel paint |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
Paul Hi!
> I have an idea it might be possible to get similar laser cut overlays
> with labels (switches etc). Does anyone know of companies doing such things?
Try this Company. Might be what you are after. Good service to UK.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Crss Wind Landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
From: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Crss Wind Landings
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
|
| And people PAY to fly with them!
|
| Regards
| Peter Grant
| US Eurolink Marketing Services Ltd
| 10 The Sidings, Horncastle, Lincs LN9 5UA, UK
| Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
Peter,
Sorry, far from it!
People pay to RIDE with them! Just as airlines are not aviation
(they are not aviators), and cabin staff cannot ATTEND FLIGHT, passengers
don't fly.
Those are all marketting ploys.
Ferg Kyle
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| Subject: | Crss Wind Landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Fair enough, Fergus, but you probably didn't realise that I am a marketing
man, so am easily susceptible to such spin (marketing = gullible!).
Regards
Peter Grant
Editor, Europa Flyer, part owner of G-OGAN TriGear 912S +Airmaster (we love
our wobbly prop!).
10 The Sidings, Horncastle, Lincs LN9 5UA, UK
Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This email is intended for the sole use of the addressee. If you have
received this email in error, please contact the sender and
delete the message. US Eurolink Marketing Services Ltd accepts no liability
for misuse
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Crss Wind Landings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
From: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Crss Wind Landings
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
|
| And people PAY to fly with them!
|
| Regards
| Peter Grant
| US Eurolink Marketing Services Ltd
| 10 The Sidings, Horncastle, Lincs LN9 5UA, UK
| Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
Peter,
Sorry, far from it!
People pay to RIDE with them! Just as airlines are not aviation
(they are not aviators), and cabin staff cannot ATTEND FLIGHT, passengers
don't fly.
Those are all marketting ploys.
Ferg Kyle
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
I used aircraft engravers about a month ago - their service was top notch
Peter
>
> From: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
> Date: 2005/07/11 Mon PM 01:33:47 BST
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: labels
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
>
> Paul Hi!
>
> > I have an idea it might be possible to get similar laser cut overlays
> > with labels (switches etc). Does anyone know of companies doing such things?
>
> Try this Company. Might be what you are after. Good service to UK.
>
> Wayne Cahoon
> Aircraft Engravers
> (860) 653-2780
> (860) 653-7324 Fax
> http://www.engravers.net
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crss Wind Landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Can we now please return to the daily business of building an airplane,
flying it and meanwhile trying to keep up with other things, like trying
to get through emails?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
ps: There is something like a monthly reminder, it's about some rules for
this forum.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
To save reinventing the wheel, does anyone out there think they may have
the perfect panel layout for a trigear with full width panel? If so, is
there an e-mail friendly way to display this or link to an internet
page?
Cheers
Willie Harrison G-BZNY
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| Subject: | Revision to Chapter 29T NOT APPROVED! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
OLD Version page 29T-2 Gear Leg Installation Setting up Reads:
On fuselage underside, along the center line, a series of crosses are molded
in.... .... They are spaced at 10" intervals, the one nearest the firewall is
Fuselage Station FS30 ....
NEW Version page 29T-2 Gear Leg Installation Setting up SHOULD Read:
On fuselage underside, along the center line, a series of crosses are molded
in.... .... They are spaced at 10" intervals, the one nearest the firewall is
Fuselage Station FS30 ... YOU WILL NOTE THAT WE HAD YOU REMOVE THIS FUSELAGE
STATION BACK IN CHAPTER 21!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar@hotmail.com>
Nigel,
May I be included in the fly-in please?
Regards,
Dari
G-DURO
>From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Lydeway Fly-In
>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:31:03 +0100 0.26 HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
><nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>I will be holding the Lydeway Fly-In again this year. The date will be
>the 27th August with the 28th as a backup day in case of bad weather. A
>free BBQ will be available in exchange for taking a couple of local
>residents on short local flights. The event is limited to 10 visiting
>aircraft. Priority is given to Europa Club members if the event is over
>subscribed. For those not familiar Lydeway is an airstrip in the middle
>of Wiltshire (790m grass 28/10). Anyone interested should e-mail me at
>nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk.
>.
>
>Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crss Wind Landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Tush, Tush ......
All work and no play makes Jack?? a dull boy.
regards,
MP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Crss Wind Landings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> Can we now please return to the daily business of building an airplane,
> flying it and meanwhile trying to keep up with other things, like trying
> to get through emails?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
> ps: There is something like a monthly reminder, it's about some rules for
> this forum.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crss Wind Landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi MP,
Don't you really understand your probably funny intended remarks however
stupid they are, do not belong on this list. If you guys are looking for
fun, or are otherwise communication handicapped, there are more then
enough nice areas on the net just for that purpose. But please do not
spoil the valuable content here. It is against the rules, it's against
good habits. The link to the cross wind landing was nice to have, but the
moment i saw it, i was allready preparing for all those wanting to show
how clever they are. It turns this list to one of those that noboby cares
to read anymore. If that is your purpose, you are close to succeeding.
Some more of this stuff, and i am off. Dull and all.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: Crss Wind Landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Well said Jos. You just forgot 3 little words at the end of your post:
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Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen"
Hi MP,
Don't you really understand your probably funny intended remarks however
stupid they are, do not belong on this list. If you guys are looking for
fun, or are otherwise communication handicapped, there are more then
enough nice areas on the net just for that purpose. But please do not
spoil the valuable content here. It is against the rules, it's against
good habits. The link to the cross wind landing was nice to have, but the
moment i saw it, i was allready preparing for all those wanting to show
how clever they are. It turns this list to one of those that noboby cares
to read anymore. If that is your purpose, you are close to succeeding.
Some more of this stuff, and i am off. Dull and all.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: prop balancer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Roland and Bryan,
The Carb Balance kit is far more dangerous to use, because one needs to make
adjustments to the carbs with the prop rotating at various speeds. Whereas
the prop balancer does not require weights to be added when the prop is
rotating.
By all means write a disclaimer if necessary, but there is nothing dangerous
about using the prop balancer.
Best wishes,
William
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: prop balancer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Mark Burton did design it to very easy to use, well within the competence
> of
> a Europa builder. I think you may qualify Duncan!
>
> The problem from the point of view of the Committee, is separating the
> Club
> from any liability. Rotating props. are dangerous things.
>
> Regards. Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Cross Wind Landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
With respect Jos... Your comments are far from conducive for a useful forum
too. I have seen comments such as yours put everyone off but through the
sheer sanctimonious attitude of one or two individuals.
Unfortunately the e-mail syntax gave an impression of a personal attack to
me. Hopefully you did not intend that.
The comments were light hearted...so!
At least one of the individuals you chose to chastise is a very competent
professional pilot with much experience of handling fast lively aircraft in
extreme conditions and attitudes. He still flies in such conditions.
There was a lesson in the clip! Why did the crew persist in such an
approach, only going around at a past critical situation.
You have your right to an opinion but if this is a democratic forum then so
do I. You now know that I think your comment was unnecessary.
Ready to be blamed and flamed as I could be right out of line.
Regards
Gerry
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Just a Reminder: There is a Europa Builders / Pilots Forum scheduled for Tuesday
July 26 at 4:00 PM at Pavilion 02.
No set program, just an opportunity to meet and talk Europa!
Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
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| Subject: | Rudder side to side freeplay |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
We just got our floors/rudder pedals mounted/bonded over the weekend.
There is about .055" side to side freeplay between the tufnal bushings and the
2 welded on washers on the rudder torque tubes.
Any ideas on how to eliminate some of this motion?
I was thinking of bending up a .025" aluminium shim to mimic the top half of the
bushing, and held in place with the 2 screws that holds the
bushing in place. This would only be shimming 1/2 the area of the washer.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder side to side freeplay |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ron
I think that amount of end play is OK. You don't want them so tight as to
bind up with a grain of sand from your shoes do you? Really, there is no
problem with end play here. I found that after working on every thing around
the firewall, that here was a vertical misalignment in the tufnal blokes in
my plane. Time seems to change things sometimes. You may want that end play
later.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Rudder side to side freeplay
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> We just got our floors/rudder pedals mounted/bonded over the weekend.
>
> There is about .055" side to side freeplay between the tufnal bushings and
> the 2 welded on washers on the rudder torque tubes.
>
> Any ideas on how to eliminate some of this motion?
>
> I was thinking of bending up a .025" aluminium shim to mimic the top half
> of the bushing, and held in place with the 2 screws that holds the
> bushing in place. This would only be shimming 1/2 the area of the washer.
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Today was the day... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
At about 13:30, July 11, 2005 (still today, here) N55XS was inspected by
the FAA and found airworthy. First flight is anticipated, soon. Pardon
me if my "red neck" shows, here, but Yeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!
--
Jeff - N55XS
Planning first flight...
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| Subject: | Re: Today was the day... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Jeff
Congratulations !!! Way to go. Now be safe and just do a couple thing at a
time. That way you have more reasons to go flying again.
Have fun !!!
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | Rudder side to side freeplay |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Ron,
I don't think the amount of end play you have in the rudder pedals is
any problem per se. I can't speak for the later models, but on the
Classic at least, lateral displacement of the rudder pedals is important
because if they are not set up correctly, the tinnermann washers that
retain the rudder cables on the drive arms, can conflict with the engine
mount. There is only a minimal amount of clearance in this area.
You may not have been around when Ivan Shaw and Kim Prout had the rudder
jam in the fully deflected position on take-off on their way to Oshkosh
but this was the cause of their excitement on that occasion. On the
positive side, it proved that the 912 powered Mono was still able to
climb with full rudder deflected albeit at a somewhat reduced rate I
imagine.
Regards
Kingsley
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