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1. 01:02 AM - Carb Balancer (Richard Holder)
2. 01:02 AM - Carb Balancer (Richard Holder)
3. 02:06 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 07/11/05 (Graham Singleton)
4. 02:15 AM - labels (paul atkinson)
5. 04:08 AM - Re: labels (Jim Butcher)
6. 08:41 AM - Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma (EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma (KARL HEINDL)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
9. 10:12 AM - Re: Carb Balancer (Carl Pattinson)
10. 10:22 AM - Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma (Carl Pattinson)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma (Carl Pattinson)
12. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: labels (Paul Stewart)
13. 10:54 AM - Lubrication & Stall Strips (Jim Butcher)
14. 11:14 AM - Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips (N55XS)
15. 11:20 AM - Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma (N55XS)
16. 11:33 AM - Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips (Terry Seaver (terrys))
17. 11:48 AM - Re: Carb Balancer (Duncan McFadyean)
18. 12:25 PM - Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips (Mike Parkin)
19. 12:42 PM - Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips (Paul McAllister)
20. 01:24 PM - Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips (R.C.Harrison)
21. 02:37 PM - Re: Lydeway Fly-In (Dari Sagar)
22. 06:24 PM - Re: Help - Arlington via Silverton (Craig Ellison)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Roland and Bryan, The Carb Balance kit is far more
> dangerous to use, because one needs to make adjustments
> to the carbs with the prop rotating at various speeds.
> Whereas the prop balancer does not require weights to
> be added when the prop is rotating. By all means write
> a disclaimer if necessary, but there is nothing
> dangerous about using the prop balancer. Best wishes,
> William
It is completely unnecessary to adjust the carb balance
with the engine running. You would just be increasing the
risk. You would also need two people or it would be even
more unsafe.
I set up my carb balancer with the dials inside the
cockpit and the P2 door taped shut over the pipes.
I leap into the P1 seat and shut the P1 door. I then start
the engine and take idle and 5000 rpm readings and write
them down. i turn off the engine and leap out (!).
I then adjust the carbs based on the readings. then I
start again. The adjustment is very sensitive so i never
move the cable adjuster more than 2 flats at a time.
Having said all that I think I need the prop balancer as
I am not happy with the level of smoothness of my engine.
--
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Roland and Bryan, The Carb Balance kit is far more
> dangerous to use, because one needs to make adjustments
> to the carbs with the prop rotating at various speeds.
> Whereas the prop balancer does not require weights to
> be added when the prop is rotating. By all means write
> a disclaimer if necessary, but there is nothing
> dangerous about using the prop balancer. Best wishes,
> William
It is completely unnecessary to adjust the carb balance
with the engine running. You would just be increasing the
risk. You would also need two people or it would be even
more unsafe.
I set up my carb balancer with the dials inside the
cockpit and the P2 door taped shut over the pipes.
I leap into the P1 seat and shut the P1 door. I then start
the engine and take idle and 5000 rpm readings and write
them down. i turn off the engine and leap out (!).
I then adjust the carbs based on the readings. then I
start again. The adjustment is very sensitive so i never
move the cable adjuster more than 2 flats at a time.
Having said all that I think I need the prop balancer as
I am not happy with the level of smoothness of my engine.
--
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 07/11/05 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
I have modified the instrument module to take the BMA EFIS 1 and had sub
panels laser cut (see
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=panel-modification&id=panel_7&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php)
I have an idea it might be possible to get similar laser cut overlays
with labels (switches etc). Does anyone know of companies doing such things?
regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
Paul
You could have the panel inserts black anodised, then overlay transparent printed
labels. Colin Smallwood had some nice ones printed in white lettering by a
local outfit.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Paul
Many sign makers have the equipment to make your labels using the drawing
you used for the laser cutting. If you can add to it the inscriptions you
want they could then produce a complete overlay for your panel or
individual adhesive backed labels with cutouts if you prefer. I prefer
labels simply because there is less hassle if you change something in the
future. The shop I use can work with .dxf, .dwg or whatever format Macs
use.
You can email the file to them at sales@johnson-signs.co.uk. If you
mention that they are doing some for me, they will have a better idea what
you are after. I should add that I get no reward for this, but would
appreciate it if you could nag them to hurry up with mine :-).
Regards
Paul
Time: 03:19:55 AM PST US
From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Europa-List: labels
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
I have modified the instrument module to take the BMA EFIS 1 and had sub
panels laser cut (see
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=panel-
modification&id=panel_7&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php)
I have an idea it might be possible to get similar laser cut overlays
with labels (switches etc). Does anyone know of companies doing such
things?
regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
You might also contact the company I formerly owned, Precision Dial Co.,
www.precisiondial.com, 269-375-5923. They have the capability to print
panels and also print illuminated push buttons etc. I used illuminated
lights and switches similar to those in Greg Richter's wiring book and
printed the lights. BTW, they print the buttons on the BMA products.
They also have a contractor who can machine aluminum panels from CAD
drawings.
Ask for Randy, Nettie or Andrea.
Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
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| Subject: | Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Europa Riders and Builders:
I'm in a bit of a pinch here. I have a Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420
Expiration Date Dilemma! It's time to start bonding the landing gear ribs in place.
Problem is that my adhesive has past the expiration date. This is Epibond
420 and it expired on January of 2005. The can has been open for about 3 to 4
months. < The lids were always tightly resealed> This is almost a full can of
this stuff and I really hate to throw it out! I was just quoted from the only US
source near me GRACO at $180.00 for the quart can!!! I still need to bond
the fuselage top and wing tops on.
To make matter worse they are out of stock and said I should expect a six
week delivery date. < the wheels of progress and coming to a slow grinding halt>
What about this expiration date? Is it important? Why does this product
expire and the other that we use do not?
There was talk that Europa was going to approve a new adhesive from Aeropoxy?
Any word on where that project is at? While visiting the Aeropoxy tent at SNF
I noted that this new stuff had no expiration date on it's can.
I know of one builder here in the states that has had good success with the
Aeropoxy adhesive. However I'm not sure what applications it was used under
and what about longevity?
You comments please!!!!!!!
Thanks in advance!
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Brian,
Do a test with the stuff. I can only pass on my experience: I used the last
bit of Araldite 420 almost five years after the expiration date and found it
to be as solid as ever. If you ever find crystals in the main (yellow)
component , then you simply heat the whole can in hot water and it will be
as good as new.
Karl
>From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date
>Dilemma Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:40:30 EDT
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>Europa Riders and Builders:
>
>I'm in a bit of a pinch here. I have a Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420
>Expiration Date Dilemma! It's time to start bonding the landing gear ribs
>in place.
>Problem is that my adhesive has past the expiration date. This is Epibond
>420 and it expired on January of 2005. The can has been open for about 3 to
>4
>months. < The lids were always tightly resealed> This is almost a full can
>of
>this stuff and I really hate to throw it out! I was just quoted from the
>only US
>source near me GRACO at $180.00 for the quart can!!! I still need to bond
>the fuselage top and wing tops on.
>
>To make matter worse they are out of stock and said I should expect a six
>week delivery date. < the wheels of progress and coming to a slow grinding
>halt>
>What about this expiration date? Is it important? Why does this product
>expire and the other that we use do not?
>
>There was talk that Europa was going to approve a new adhesive from
>Aeropoxy?
>Any word on where that project is at? While visiting the Aeropoxy tent at
>SNF
>I noted that this new stuff had no expiration date on it's can.
>I know of one builder here in the states that has had good success with the
>Aeropoxy adhesive. However I'm not sure what applications it was used
>under
>and what about longevity?
>
>You comments please!!!!!!!
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>
>Brian Skelly
>Texas
>Europa # A276 TriGear
>See My build photos at:
>http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Thanks Carl.
One wonders what a good standard test would be? Laminate a couple of 3 or 4
ply sheets together. Put in a vise and whack it with a rubber mallet? I guess
if the lamination fails and not the bond I'm good?
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Balancer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
I was about to comment on the dangers of adjusting the carbs while the
engine is running (TOTALLY UNNECESSARY!)
Although the carbs should be balanced through the RPM range it is best to
aim for perfection at the normal operating speed (ie: about 4500 - 5000
RPM).
Due to the vibration of the engine (if nothing else) accurate adjustment of
the screws will be nigh on impossible not to mention the risk of slipping
and getting chopped up.
After trying various mechanical guages, we opted for the "Twinmax" balancer
which works on the differential principle (solid state). Cost about 60 and
very easy to set up and use.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Carb Balancer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>> Roland and Bryan, The Carb Balance kit is far more
>> dangerous to use, because one needs to make adjustments
>> to the carbs with the prop rotating at various speeds.
>> Whereas the prop balancer does not require weights to
>> be added when the prop is rotating. By all means write
>> a disclaimer if necessary, but there is nothing
>> dangerous about using the prop balancer. Best wishes,
>> William
>
> It is completely unnecessary to adjust the carb balance
> with the engine running. You would just be increasing the
> risk. You would also need two people or it would be even
> more unsafe.
>
> I set up my carb balancer with the dials inside the
> cockpit and the P2 door taped shut over the pipes.
>
> I leap into the P1 seat and shut the P1 door. I then start
> the engine and take idle and 5000 rpm readings and write
> them down. i turn off the engine and leap out (!).
>
> I then adjust the carbs based on the readings. then I
> start again. The adjustment is very sensitive so i never
> move the cable adjuster more than 2 flats at a time.
>
> Having said all that I think I need the prop balancer as
> I am not happy with the level of smoothness of my engine.
> --
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
I have a can of Redux dated Jan 1998. OK, I only use it for non-critical
bonding but there is little evidence that it has lost its strength (but then
I havent done scientific tests).
I think it would be safe to assume that it will be OK up to a year after the
manufacturers date because there is a large safety margin built into these
products.
Technically though it is past its use by date and you are risking a $50,000
aircraft (not to mention your life) for the sake of $180 worth of product.
Best advice I can give is to make a test bond and see how easy it is to
break apart with a hammer. You will need to allow 7 days to achieve maximum
strength.
I bet the bond dosent break before the materials you have bonded. Araldite
is usually that strong!
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Europa Riders and Builders:
>
> I'm in a bit of a pinch here. I have a Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420
> Expiration Date Dilemma! It's time to start bonding the landing gear ribs
> in place.
> Problem is that my adhesive has past the expiration date. This is Epibond
> 420 and it expired on January of 2005. The can has been open for about 3
> to 4
> months. < The lids were always tightly resealed> This is almost a full can
> of
> this stuff and I really hate to throw it out! I was just quoted from the
> only US
> source near me GRACO at $180.00 for the quart can!!! I still need to bond
> the fuselage top and wing tops on.
>
> To make matter worse they are out of stock and said I should expect a six
> week delivery date. < the wheels of progress and coming to a slow grinding
> halt>
> What about this expiration date? Is it important? Why does this product
> expire and the other that we use do not?
>
> There was talk that Europa was going to approve a new adhesive from
> Aeropoxy?
> Any word on where that project is at? While visiting the Aeropoxy tent at
> SNF
> I noted that this new stuff had no expiration date on it's can.
> I know of one builder here in the states that has had good success with
> the
> Aeropoxy adhesive. However I'm not sure what applications it was used
> under
> and what about longevity?
>
> You comments please!!!!!!!
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Sorry, this is very confusing.
I just replied to the same post and picked up the reply before I had sent my
message. Telepathy or what.
Then I realised that there is another Karl around.
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date
Dilemma
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Thanks Carl.
>
> One wonders what a good standard test would be? Laminate a couple of 3 or
> 4
> ply sheets together. Put in a vise and whack it with a rubber mallet? I
> guess
> if the lamination fails and not the bond I'm good?
>
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> Europa # A276 TriGear
> See My build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Thanks to all for the useful suggestions. Now merely morning the flap
which blew of roof of car on return from painter onto the A38 - just
when you think things are going OK.........
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Lubrication & Stall Strips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Getting ready for first flight I find references in the Owners Manual to lubrication,
particularly the tailplane torque tubes and drive pins and the door latches.
What lubricants have others used on these items?
Also the Owners Manual states that stall strips are mandatory. Is this an old
reference to the Classic and not required on the XS?
Thanks
Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
almost to airport
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| Subject: | Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Jim Butcher wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
>Getting ready for first flight I find references in the Owners Manual to lubrication,
particularly the tailplane torque tubes and drive pins and the door latches.
What lubricants have others used on these items?
>
>Also the Owners Manual states that stall strips are mandatory. Is this an old
reference to the Classic and not required on the XS?
>
>Thanks
>
>Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
>almost to airport
>
>
>
>
Jim,
For lube, I use a very thin application of high temp, lithium based
grease. Works fine. As for the stall strips, they are mandatory on the
XS, however, you might want to test your bird, before adding them...
--
Jeff - N55XS
Planning first flight
--
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| Subject: | Re: Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420 Expiration Date Dilemma |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>Europa Riders and Builders:
>
>I'm in a bit of a pinch here. I have a Arladite / Redux / Epibond 420
>Expiration Date Dilemma! It's time to start bonding the landing gear ribs in
place.
>Problem is that my adhesive has past the expiration date. This is Epibond
>420 and it expired on January of 2005. The can has been open for about 3 to 4
>months. < The lids were always tightly resealed> This is almost a full can of
>this stuff and I really hate to throw it out! I was just quoted from the only
US
>source near me GRACO at $180.00 for the quart can!!! I still need to bond
>the fuselage top and wing tops on.
>
>To make matter worse they are out of stock and said I should expect a six
>week delivery date. < the wheels of progress and coming to a slow grinding halt>
>What about this expiration date? Is it important? Why does this product
>expire and the other that we use do not?
>
>There was talk that Europa was going to approve a new adhesive from Aeropoxy?
>Any word on where that project is at? While visiting the Aeropoxy tent at SNF
>I noted that this new stuff had no expiration date on it's can.
>I know of one builder here in the states that has had good success with the
>Aeropoxy adhesive. However I'm not sure what applications it was used under
>and what about longevity?
>
>You comments please!!!!!!!
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>
>Brian Skelly
>Texas
>Europa # A276 TriGear
>See My build photos at:
>http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
Brian,
I had much the same situation, so did this simple test. Bond a couple
of fiberglass scraps together and, when cured, pull them apart. If the
glass gives before the Redux, you're set. If not, use it for non
critical bonding, only. Once I ran out of Redux, I contacted Aeropoxy's
tech support. They recomnmended ES6228 for up to an hour working time.
It's used to bond the Velocity, so I figured it would work on the
Europa. About $39. for the quart kit (one quart of each part).
--
Jeff - N55XS
Planning first flight...
--
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| Subject: | Lubrication & Stall Strips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Jim,
As I recall, the stall strips cannot be installed/fitted until the plane
has first been flown anyway. We were not willing to give up several
knots of stall speed, and have chosen not to install them ('our choice'
here in the US). On our monowheel XS with 912S, we find ourselves close
to stall speed at higher density altitude take-offs, and would feel
uncomfortable with the stall speed any higher than it currently is.
You should first test your plane, and then decide for yourself whether
the stall characteristics are acceptable as is.
Just my opinion,
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Butcher
Subject: Europa-List: Lubrication & Stall Strips
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Getting ready for first flight I find references in the Owners Manual to
lubrication, particularly the tailplane torque tubes and drive pins and
the door latches. What lubricants have others used on these items?
Also the Owners Manual states that stall strips are mandatory. Is this
an old reference to the Classic and not required on the XS?
Thanks
Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
almost to airport
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Balancer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The prop balancer is even safer, because you HAVE to stop the engine to
effect any adjustment! There are no short cuts possible (that I can think
of).
Of course, any adjustments may need to be signed-off. But since when has
carb. adjustment been permitted pilot maintenance (in the UK)?
Duncan Mcf
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Carb Balancer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>> Roland and Bryan, The Carb Balance kit is far more
>> dangerous to use, because one needs to make adjustments
>> to the carbs with the prop rotating at various speeds.
>> Whereas the prop balancer does not require weights to
>> be added when the prop is rotating. By all means write
>> a disclaimer if necessary, but there is nothing
>> dangerous about using the prop balancer. Best wishes,
>> William
>
> It is completely unnecessary to adjust the carb balance
> with the engine running. You would just be increasing the
> risk. You would also need two people or it would be even
> more unsafe.
>
> I set up my carb balancer with the dials inside the
> cockpit and the P2 door taped shut over the pipes.
>
> I leap into the P1 seat and shut the P1 door. I then start
> the engine and take idle and 5000 rpm readings and write
> them down. i turn off the engine and leap out (!).
>
> I then adjust the carbs based on the readings. then I
> start again. The adjustment is very sensitive so i never
> move the cable adjuster more than 2 flats at a time.
>
> Having said all that I think I need the prop balancer as
> I am not happy with the level of smoothness of my engine.
> --
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> Also the Owners Manual states that stall strips are mandatory. Is this an
> old reference to the Classic and not required on the XS?
>
Hi Jim,
Ivan Shaw flew my monowheel 2 weeks ago at our PFA rally. He put the
aircraft through all the stability and stall checks. While I was nervously
watching all this, he explained that the original requirement for stall
strips was required by the PFA because of the lack of natural stall warning
(buffet). I don't think that this situation changed with the introduction
of the pre-fabricated XS wing, but I could be wrong there.
However, as other owners have commented, I was not keen on stall strips
because of the effect on the stall speed and the short field performance.
Fortunately, in the UK, a Stall Warning System is acceptable in lieu of
stall strips. I have the Europa Stall Warning System and it works a treat
in all configurations - clean, approach configuration and accellerated
stalls
For those interested in my testing experience. My aircraft which has an XS
fuselage and original foam wings had a really nasty right wing drop during
the approach configuration stall. I noticed that when 'wing borne' that I
had a slight right aileron droop which did not show when stationary on the
ground. Over a few flights I adjusted out the discrepancy until the
ailerons on both wings were in line with the wing tip fairings. At the end
of the adjustment, the alarming tendency to wing drop was totally tamed.
The aircraft can now be held in the stall both clean and dirty without wing
drop in a sort of falling leaf manoeuver.
regards,
Mike (G-JULZ)
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| Subject: | Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Jim,
Although I am yet to fit one, I have been told that the stall warner kit
from Europa works very well. I would suggest that you would be better off
with it rather than stall strips.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Lubrication & Stall Strips
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Getting ready for first flight I find references in the Owners Manual to
> lubrication, particularly the tailplane torque tubes and drive pins and
> the door latches. What lubricants have others used on these items?
>
> Also the Owners Manual states that stall strips are mandatory. Is this an
> old reference to the Classic and not required on the XS?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
> almost to airport
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Lubrication & Stall Strips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jim
The stall strips are a life saver I've proved it! AND an invaluable
warning device simply fitted but you need to establish the actual stall
figures at a recoverable altitude first then use the template from the
manual to initially locate them then do some flying high to test whether
they need adjustment. They give an unmistakeable shudder at the stall.
Relocating them needs only a millimetre at a time and on final fixing I
have used some very durable clear adhesive tape.
My torque tube bearings are lubricated by grease nipples and whatever is
in the gun that day ! Remember to wipe out excess though otherwise it
getsb a free ride for ever !
I also have installed aerosol tubes to all four bearing points of the
pitch control tibes under the seat and use a clear food machinery lube.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Butcher
Subject: Europa-List: Lubrication & Stall Strips
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Getting ready for first flight I find references in the Owners Manual to
lubrication, particularly the tailplane torque tubes and drive pins and
the door latches. What lubricants have others used on these items?
Also the Owners Manual states that stall strips are mandatory. Is this
an old reference to the Classic and not required on the XS?
Thanks
Jim Butcher A185 N241BW
almost to airport
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar@hotmail.com>
Could you put me down on your list for your fly-in please. Thanks.
Regards,
Dari
>From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Lydeway Fly-In
>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:31:03 +0100 0.26 HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
><nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>I will be holding the Lydeway Fly-In again this year. The date will be
>the 27th August with the 28th as a backup day in case of bad weather. A
>free BBQ will be available in exchange for taking a couple of local
>residents on short local flights. The event is limited to 10 visiting
>aircraft. Priority is given to Europa Club members if the event is over
>subscribed. For those not familiar Lydeway is an airstrip in the middle
>of Wiltshire (790m grass 28/10). Anyone interested should e-mail me at
>nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk.
>.
>
>Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help - Arlington via Silverton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Hi Mike,
I'm sorry I didn't get your message untill today. My computer crashed and I
was unable to download anything for the past few weeks. My son and I were
at Arlington and we missed you there as well. If you attended the Lockwood
Rotax engine seminar we were in the same tent. If you're not home by now
and still in the northwest please stop by for a visit.
craig ellison
503-873-3251 H
503-873-6118 O
503-508-5198 Cell
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Help - Arlington via Silverton
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> I've had a computer problem while on the road and can't get an address of
> a
> builder I was going to visit in Silverton, OR on the way to Arlington. Can
> you
> email me back so we can still get together. I will be through your neck of
> the
> woods the morning of Friday 7/1. Are you available that morning?
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, CA
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
>
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