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Thu 07/14/05


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 01:10 AM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (ivor.phillips)
     2. 01:17 AM - 912S starter motor (Richard Iddon)
     3. 01:41 AM - Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips (g-self)
     4. 03:38 AM - Re: 912S starter motor (Richard Holder)
     5. 04:52 AM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (Roger Anderson)
     6. 08:21 AM - Re: Length overall on the trailer (David Hillam)
     7. 09:29 AM - Re: 912S starter motor (Terry Seaver (terrys))
     8. 10:01 AM - Oshkosh bound ! ? (Steve Hagar)
     9. 10:10 AM - List Digest Truncation Fixed!! (Matt Dralle)
    10. 05:08 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? (Cliff Shaw)
    11. 05:22 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? (Paul McAllister)
    12. 05:24 PM - Re: Length overall on the trailer (Paul McAllister)
    13. 06:49 PM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (Fred Fillinger)
    14. 06:50 PM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (Fred Fillinger)
    15. 07:32 PM - Re: Length overall on the trailer ()
    16. 07:35 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? (Matthew Carpenter)
    17. 08:04 PM - Re: Length overall on the trailer (Tony Krzyzewski)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:10:30 AM PST US
    From: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com> Maybe the steel mesh in the concrete has something to do with the Anomalies, Guessing!!! Ivor Phillips > Also, use a MFJ-259, VSWR meter, or field strength meter when the > aircraft is parked on concrete, not turf or asphalt. I know about a > dipole and inherent "ground reflections" within 8 feet of this stuff > (one wavelength), but what effect the surface material has I don't > know by theory, but have noticed real anomalies. Maybe black = carbon > and turf has water? > > Reg, > Fred F. >


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    Time: 01:17:54 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: 912S starter motor
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but considering the comments made and to forestall any problems in the future, I am considering swopping the starter on my 912S for the heavy duty model. I have contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a discount but I have to return the old one within two weeks. Can anyone who has already fitted a new starter tell me if it is a relatively simple job to swop over with the engine in situ or does it need modification / engine out? Richard Iddon G-RIXS


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    Time: 01:41:34 AM PST US
    From: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com>
    Subject: Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com> Hi Cliff and anyone else who's interested I would be interested to know of your experience with the stall testing. We are at that stage now. We have found the following.. Without stall strips and 1900 revs (Jabiru 3300 cruise descent power) aircraft stalled with flaps at 43kts and without at 53kts. Buffet started about 3 kts higher than those speeds. When the stall happend we were flipped to the right with a viscious right wing drop. Without power the stall was fairly aggresive with the same right wing drop tendancy. Having fitted stall strips as per the template but only 6" long, the stall was far less aggresive, the speeds stayed the same but the right wing dropped uncomfortably. The buffet was really viscious but the spread was no more than before We moved the port wing strip up by 1.5mm and tried again. This time the stall speeds increased by about 3kts flaps down and 2 to 3 kts flaps up. The spread between the buffet and the stall was reduced rather than incresed. The next test will be to remove the right stall strip completely and see if just the left strip is enough to do the trick. Cheers Eddie > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > <flyinggpa@comcast.net> > > All > > I just have to say something here !! > > I have a stall strip on one wing. I need it ! If there > is any one with question about this, Email me offline and > I will explain. > > Stall strips are BAD if installed too high, and they fix a > problem if you have one and they are put on correctly > !!!!! > G-SELF, South East London Flying Group Eddie Hatcher, Nick Crisp, Bill Lams Europa Classic (XS) Jabiru3300 Powered Our website www.crispsite.flyer.co.uk


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    Time: 03:38:12 AM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: 912S starter motor
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> Richard Iddon wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" > <riddon@sent.com> > > I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but > considering the comments made and to forestall any > problems in the future, I am considering swopping the > starter on my 912S for the heavy duty model. I have > contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a > discount but I have to return the old one within two > weeks. Can anyone who has already fitted a new starter > tell me if it is a relatively simple job to swop over > with the engine in situ or does it need modification / > engine out? > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS If you have the XS FWF it can be done in situ. If you have the Classic FWF it won't fit. Even with the XS FWF you need to chop off a lug at the back of the starter motor. Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)


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    Time: 04:52:56 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Anderson" <randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk> Whilst building G-BXTD I checked out the dipole installation using a hand-held radio and the VSWR readings were good. When I came to fly the bird, using the same radio, ground stations using the middle range of frequencies had difficulty receiving my transmissions. I checked the aerial with a VSWR meter again and found that the output was indeed dreadful in the mid range. After discussions with Ferg (of this forum) I put this down to interference from the wires running to a fin mounted strobe, which I had fitted subsequently to my original VSWR test. I disconnected the dipole and constructed an aerial/ground-plane within the rear fuselage, which performs adequately, but the readings are not as good as the original ones from the dipole. Conclusion - the dipole is great but highly susceptible to degradation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian and Pat Tarmar" <freefolk@screaming.net> Subject: Europa-List: Europa VHF Antenna Problems > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian and Pat Tarmar" <freefolk@screaming.net> > > During the test flying programme of G-OBJT it became apparent that although the radio worked perfectly at the lower end of the VHF band, when we selected frequencies above 125.0 ground stations were having difficulty in receiving us. I borrowed a Bird watt meter today and came up with some rather bizarre results. The radio (Walter Dittel) delivered 5 1/2 watts throughout the range into a dummy load (50 ohms), but as soon as the Europa half wave dipole aerial was used very high readings were obtained at either end of the spectrum (11 watts at 118.0 and 9 watts at 136.0) but down to 3 watts between 126.0 and 130.0. Can anyone explain this and suggest a cure. I used a quality VSWR meter during production of the antenna and obtained reasonable gain figures. > > Brian Tarmar - G-OBJT Trigear - test flying complete and awaiting a full permit( subject to a working radio!) > >


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    Time: 08:21:07 AM PST US
    From: "David Hillam" <sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Length overall on the trailer
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Hillam" <sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk> Hi Paul, I have just measured my trailer, it is exactly 5 metres long (16 feet 4.5 inches), measured from the front of the towing hitch to rear of the monowheel suppport. The distance from the part which locates the tailwheel axle to the front of the hitch is 16 inches. Therefore the total length you require (assuming you have a monowheel) is the length of your aircraft from the front of the spinner to the tailwheel axle, plus 16 inches. Hope this helps. If you want to buy my trailer for a mere GBP 34,000, I would throw in the plane for free :-) David > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > Hi all, > > The cost of hanger rent is starting to bite a bit and I am thinking of keeping mine at home on the trailer. Could someone tell me the length overall of the trailer and aircraft. > > Paul > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:29:25 AM PST US
    Subject: 912S starter motor
    From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com> We just went through this about a month ago. With our mono-wheel XS with 912S, we were able to change ours out in one evening, without removing the engine. We just had to move the oil reservoir temporarily (loosen the mounting bands, let it hang from the hoses), and maybe the #3 exhaust header (I don't quite remember on that part). Others have talked about having to modify the starter, cutting off a mounting ear or some such thing. Ours required no modification of that kind. Regards, Terry Seaver A135 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: 912S starter motor --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but considering the comments made and to forestall any problems in the future, I am considering swopping the starter on my 912S for the heavy duty model. I have contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a discount but I have to return the old one within two weeks. Can anyone who has already fitted a new starter tell me if it is a relatively simple job to swop over with the engine in situ or does it need modification / engine out? Richard Iddon G-RIXS


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    Time: 10:01:10 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Oshkosh bound ! ?
    2.31 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date 0.37 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net> Just the thing to spur the enthusiasm to get the last 10% of my aircraft completed and some rare air underneath the wings. Erich T is swinging by from Vegas in his Europa to pick me up for the flight to Oshkosh by way of Nebraska to meet up with another Europa flier. Over the last 6 years of building I probably have about an hour and a half total time sitting in a Europa that hasn't had some part of its structure in firm contact with the ground. So this should be just the thing to whet the old appetite to get mine done. We'll have to see what transpires when you stuff two 200 pounders an oxygen bottle and minimal change of spare clothes in for a real cross country jaunt. Will it be like traveling cross country in an MG Miget or the or the latest Japanese classy sportscar? Somewhere in between I hope. Anyway the plans are to camp in the homebuilt parking area, hoping that the camping gear gets to the UPS tent before us. I would like to get a heads up of others who will be camping either at the regular camping area or with their planes. It would be good to settle in for an evening after walking around all day at the event for a few beers or such with some like minded individuals. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net


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    Time: 10:10:13 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: List Digest Truncation Fixed!!
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message. I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we should be back in business on the Digests. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 05:08:10 PM PST US
    From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh bound ! ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net> Oshkosh bound Europa flyers/builders "Wile E. Coyote" is planning to fly to the fly-in again this year. Betty will be with me. I am trying to talk Jerry Rehn to fly his Europa with us. He is leaning in that direction at the moment. Keep your fingers crossed. (read this Jerry?) We will be arriving on Sunday if the weather is good. I have a room reserved and Jerry is planning on camping. Steve, I think you will find that the trip is a lot quicker ! :) Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE It would be good to settle in for an evening after walking around all day at the event for a few beers or such with some like minded individuals. > > Steve Hagar > A143 > Mesa AZ


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    Time: 05:22:15 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh bound ! ?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Steve et all Jenny and I plan to do a day trip to Oshkosh on Friday. Unfortunately we have to go to a wedding in Minneapolis on the weekend so we are going to miss most of the show. I can assure you that your going to enjoy your cross country trip. We find ours a very comfortable touring aircraft and we recently flew it to the Bahamas and back..... we love it!!!! Paul do not archive


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    Time: 05:24:10 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Re: Length overall on the trailer
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hillam" <sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk> > . Therefore the total length you require > (assuming > you have a monowheel) is the length of your aircraft from the front of the > spinner to the tailwheel axle, plus 16 inches. Actually, that's the vital measument I need. If someone has it I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Paul


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    Time: 06:49:14 PM PST US
    From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" > > Maybe the steel mesh in the concrete has something to do with the Anomalies, > Guessing!!! > Ivor Phillips > > Also, use a MFJ-259, VSWR meter, or field strength meter > > a when the aircraft is parked on concrete, not turf or asphalt. > > ...but have noticed real anomalies. Maybe black = carbon > > and turf has water? > > > > Reg, > > Fred F. > > > Please don't confuse the abysmally uninformed, like me! Compared to steel rebar in the street's pavement, the Analyzer doesn't know my concrete driveway is reinforced with fiberglass strands. Yup, like flox! My slate pool table in the basement is sufficient height above the earth for substantial immunity, but the Analyzer's needle dancing with antenna above it is profound. Carbon absorbs, we can postulate, relevant or not! The useful thing here is that the effect is very pronounced within a couple feet of the earth, of any surface covering. So that on a monowheel or taildragger, especially with antenna in the tail, it should propped up on something nonmetal and noncarbon, when using a test instrument, and especially antenna trimming. Don't paint your wood sawhorse black. Fred F.


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    Time: 06:50:05 PM PST US
    From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> Roger Anderson wrote: > ...but the [monopole's] readings are not as good as the original ones > from the [problematic] dipole. > Conclusion - the dipole is great but highly susceptible to degradation. > When mounted in a plastic airplane vs. on a metal airframe, the monopole whip antenna + ground plane can be as annoyed by things nearby. The essential difference can be that the longer length of the dipole makes installation free and clear more of a problem, though. I bugged a retired, aircraft antenna engineer about what radiates on the back side of the monopole's ground plane if of the recommended dimension and a plastic plane. He thought huge backlobes might be hurled into outer space. I stumbled upon a thread of ham types and engineers whose 200+ messages had multiple theories and didn't settle anything. So...which is more efficient??? Reg, Fred F.


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    Time: 07:32:54 PM PST US
    From: <beecho@beecho.org>
    Subject: Length overall on the trailer
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org> Hi Paul I kinda wondered if this is what you wanted. My XS with a Jabiru and Airmaster w/spinner is 21 feet, 3 inches from the tip of the trailer tongue to the tip of the spinner. That plus a little extra is what you will need to park in a garage. Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Subject: Re: Europa-List: Length overall on the trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" --> <paul.mcallister@qia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hillam" <sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk> > . Therefore the total length you require > (assuming > you have a monowheel) is the length of your aircraft from the front of the > spinner to the tailwheel axle, plus 16 inches. Actually, that's the vital measument I need. If someone has it I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Paul -- --


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    Time: 07:35:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh bound ! ?
    From: Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com> We are going to be there on Sunday afternoon sometime. Not sure where we are going to camp, but it will be under the wing I am guessing. If I remember right, there is a rule that says you can camp with your airplane if its in the homebuilt parking area.. I think... See you all there! Matt Carpenter N138WJ Steve Hagar wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net> > >Just the thing to spur the enthusiasm to get the last 10% of my aircraft completed and some rare air underneath the wings. Erich T is swinging by from Vegas in his Europa to pick me up for the flight to Oshkosh by way of Nebraska to meet up with another Europa flier. Over the last 6 years of building I probably have about an hour and a half total time sitting in a Europa that hasn't had some part of its structure in firm contact with the ground. So this should be just the thing to whet the old appetite to get mine done. We'll have to see what transpires when you stuff two 200 pounders an oxygen bottle and minimal change of spare clothes in for a real cross country jaunt. Will it be like traveling cross country in an MG Miget or the or the latest Japanese classy sportscar? Somewhere in between I hope. > >Anyway the plans are to camp in the homebuilt parking area, hoping that the camping gear gets to the UPS tent before us. I would like to get a heads up of others who will be camping either at the regular camping area or with their planes. It would be good to settle in for an evening after walking around all day at the event for a few beers or such with some like minded individuals. > >Steve Hagar >A143 >Mesa AZ > > >Steve Hagar >hagargs@earthlink.net > > > >


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    Time: 08:04:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Length overall on the trailer
    From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
    Received-SPF: none --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz> That plus a little extra is what you will need to park in a garage. ... And watch the height of the tail if you've got a swingover automatic garage door because they tend to catch you unawares when the plane is on it's trailer. Almost been there.. Almost had the scratches! Tony




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