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1. 01:10 AM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (ivor.phillips)
2. 01:17 AM - 912S starter motor (Richard Iddon)
3. 01:41 AM - Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips (g-self)
4. 03:38 AM - Re: 912S starter motor (Richard Holder)
5. 04:52 AM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (Roger Anderson)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Length overall on the trailer (David Hillam)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: 912S starter motor (Terry Seaver (terrys))
8. 10:01 AM - Oshkosh bound ! ? (Steve Hagar)
9. 10:10 AM - List Digest Truncation Fixed!! (Matt Dralle)
10. 05:08 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? (Cliff Shaw)
11. 05:22 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? (Paul McAllister)
12. 05:24 PM - Re: Length overall on the trailer (Paul McAllister)
13. 06:49 PM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (Fred Fillinger)
14. 06:50 PM - Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems (Fred Fillinger)
15. 07:32 PM - Re: Length overall on the trailer ()
16. 07:35 PM - Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? (Matthew Carpenter)
17. 08:04 PM - Re: Length overall on the trailer (Tony Krzyzewski)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Maybe the steel mesh in the concrete has something to do with the Anomalies,
Guessing!!!
Ivor Phillips
> Also, use a MFJ-259, VSWR meter, or field strength meter when the
> aircraft is parked on concrete, not turf or asphalt. I know about a
> dipole and inherent "ground reflections" within 8 feet of this stuff
> (one wavelength), but what effect the surface material has I don't
> know by theory, but have noticed real anomalies. Maybe black = carbon
> and turf has water?
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
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| Subject: | 912S starter motor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but considering the
comments made and to forestall any problems in the future, I am
considering swopping the starter on my 912S for the heavy duty model. I
have contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a discount but I
have to return the old one within two weeks. Can anyone who has already
fitted a new starter tell me if it is a relatively simple job to swop
over with the engine in situ or does it need modification / engine out?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Lubrication & Stall Strips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "g-self" <g-self@btconnect.com>
Hi Cliff and anyone else who's interested
I would be interested to know of your experience with the
stall testing. We are at that stage now. We have found the
following..
Without stall strips and 1900 revs (Jabiru 3300 cruise
descent power) aircraft stalled with flaps at 43kts and
without at 53kts. Buffet started about 3 kts higher than
those speeds. When the stall happend we were flipped to the
right with a viscious right wing drop.
Without power the stall was fairly aggresive with the same
right wing drop tendancy.
Having fitted stall strips as per the template but only 6"
long, the stall was far less aggresive, the speeds stayed
the same but the right wing dropped uncomfortably. The
buffet was really viscious but the spread was no more than
before
We moved the port wing strip up by 1.5mm and tried again.
This time the stall speeds increased by about 3kts flaps
down and 2 to 3 kts flaps up. The spread between the buffet
and the stall was reduced rather than incresed.
The next test will be to remove the right stall strip
completely and see if just the left strip is enough to do
the trick.
Cheers
Eddie
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
> <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
>
> I just have to say something here !!
>
> I have a stall strip on one wing. I need it ! If there
> is any one with question about this, Email me offline and
> I will explain.
>
> Stall strips are BAD if installed too high, and they fix a
> problem if you have one and they are put on correctly
> !!!!!
>
G-SELF, South East London Flying Group
Eddie Hatcher, Nick Crisp, Bill Lams
Europa Classic (XS) Jabiru3300 Powered
Our website www.crispsite.flyer.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: 912S starter motor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Richard Iddon wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon"
> <riddon@sent.com>
>
> I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but
> considering the comments made and to forestall any
> problems in the future, I am considering swopping the
> starter on my 912S for the heavy duty model. I have
> contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a
> discount but I have to return the old one within two
> weeks. Can anyone who has already fitted a new starter
> tell me if it is a relatively simple job to swop over
> with the engine in situ or does it need modification /
> engine out?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
If you have the XS FWF it can be done in situ. If you have
the Classic FWF it won't fit.
Even with the XS FWF you need to chop off a lug at the
back of the starter motor.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
Whilst building G-BXTD I checked out the dipole installation using a
hand-held radio and the VSWR readings were good. When I came to fly the
bird, using the same radio, ground stations using the middle range of
frequencies had difficulty receiving my transmissions. I checked the aerial
with a VSWR meter again and found that the output was indeed dreadful in the
mid range. After discussions with Ferg (of this forum) I put this down to
interference from the wires running to a fin mounted strobe, which I had
fitted subsequently to my original VSWR test. I disconnected the dipole and
constructed an aerial/ground-plane within the rear fuselage, which performs
adequately, but the readings are not as good as the original ones from the
dipole.
Conclusion - the dipole is great but highly susceptible to degradation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian and Pat Tarmar" <freefolk@screaming.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa VHF Antenna Problems
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian and Pat Tarmar"
<freefolk@screaming.net>
>
> During the test flying programme of G-OBJT it became apparent that
although the radio worked perfectly at the lower end of the VHF band, when
we selected frequencies above 125.0 ground stations were having difficulty
in receiving us. I borrowed a Bird watt meter today and came up with some
rather bizarre results. The radio (Walter Dittel) delivered 5 1/2 watts
throughout the range into a dummy load (50 ohms), but as soon as the Europa
half wave dipole aerial was used very high readings were obtained at either
end of the spectrum (11 watts at 118.0 and 9 watts at 136.0) but down to 3
watts between 126.0 and 130.0. Can anyone explain this and suggest a cure.
I used a quality VSWR meter during production of the antenna and obtained
reasonable gain figures.
>
> Brian Tarmar - G-OBJT Trigear - test flying complete and awaiting a full
permit( subject to a working radio!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Length overall on the trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Hillam" <sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk>
Hi Paul,
I have just measured my trailer, it is exactly 5 metres long (16 feet 4.5
inches), measured from the front of the towing hitch to rear of the
monowheel suppport.
The distance from the part which locates the tailwheel axle to the front of
the hitch is 16 inches. Therefore the total length you require (assuming
you have a monowheel) is the length of your aircraft from the front of the
spinner to the tailwheel axle, plus 16 inches.
Hope this helps.
If you want to buy my trailer for a mere GBP 34,000, I would throw in the
plane for free :-)
David
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> The cost of hanger rent is starting to bite a bit and I am thinking of
keeping mine at home on the trailer. Could someone tell me the length
overall of the trailer and aircraft.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 912S starter motor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
We just went through this about a month ago. With our mono-wheel XS
with 912S, we were able to change ours out in one evening, without
removing the engine. We just had to move the oil reservoir temporarily
(loosen the mounting bands, let it hang from the hoses), and maybe the
#3 exhaust header (I don't quite remember on that part). Others have
talked about having to modify the starter, cutting off a mounting ear or
some such thing. Ours required no modification of that kind.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Subject: Europa-List: 912S starter motor
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but considering the
comments made and to forestall any problems in the future, I am
considering swopping the starter on my 912S for the heavy duty model. I
have contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a discount but I
have to return the old one within two weeks. Can anyone who has already
fitted a new starter tell me if it is a relatively simple job to swop
over with the engine in situ or does it need modification / engine out?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Oshkosh bound ! ? |
2.31 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date
0.37 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Just the thing to spur the enthusiasm to get the last 10% of my aircraft completed
and some rare air underneath the wings. Erich T is swinging by from Vegas
in his Europa to pick me up for the flight to Oshkosh by way of Nebraska to meet
up with another Europa flier. Over the last 6 years of building I probably
have about an hour and a half total time sitting in a Europa that hasn't had
some part of its structure in firm contact with the ground. So this should
be just the thing to whet the old appetite to get mine done. We'll have to see
what transpires when you stuff two 200 pounders an oxygen bottle and minimal
change of spare clothes in for a real cross country jaunt. Will it be like traveling
cross country in an MG Miget or the or the latest Japanese classy sportscar?
Somewhere in between I hope.
Anyway the plans are to camp in the homebuilt parking area, hoping that the camping
gear gets to the UPS tent before us. I would like to get a heads up of
others who will be camping either at the regular camping area or with their
planes. It would be good to settle in for an evening after walking around
all day at the event for a few beers or such with some like minded individuals.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | List Digest Truncation Fixed!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Oshkosh bound Europa flyers/builders
"Wile E. Coyote" is planning to fly to the fly-in again this year. Betty
will be with me. I am trying to talk Jerry Rehn to fly his Europa with us.
He is leaning in that direction at the moment. Keep your fingers crossed.
(read this Jerry?) We will be arriving on Sunday if the weather is good. I
have a room reserved and Jerry is planning on camping.
Steve, I think you will find that the trip is a lot quicker ! :)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
It would be good to settle in for an evening after walking around all day
at the event for a few beers or such with some like minded individuals.
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Steve et all
Jenny and I plan to do a day trip to Oshkosh on Friday. Unfortunately we
have to go to a wedding in Minneapolis on the weekend so we are going to
miss most of the show.
I can assure you that your going to enjoy your cross country trip. We find
ours a very comfortable touring aircraft and we recently flew it to the
Bahamas and back..... we love it!!!!
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Length overall on the trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hillam" <sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk>
> . Therefore the total length you require
> (assuming
> you have a monowheel) is the length of your aircraft from the front of the
> spinner to the tailwheel axle, plus 16 inches.
Actually, that's the vital measument I need. If someone has it I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
>
> Maybe the steel mesh in the concrete has something to do with the
Anomalies,
> Guessing!!!
> Ivor Phillips
> > Also, use a MFJ-259, VSWR meter, or field strength meter
> > a when the aircraft is parked on concrete, not turf or asphalt.
> > ...but have noticed real anomalies. Maybe black = carbon
> > and turf has water?
> >
> > Reg,
> > Fred F.
> >
>
Please don't confuse the abysmally uninformed, like me! Compared to
steel rebar in the street's pavement, the Analyzer doesn't know my
concrete driveway is reinforced with fiberglass strands. Yup, like
flox! My slate pool table in the basement is sufficient height above
the earth for substantial immunity, but the Analyzer's needle dancing
with antenna above it is profound. Carbon absorbs, we can postulate,
relevant or not!
The useful thing here is that the effect is very pronounced within a
couple feet of the earth, of any surface covering. So that on a
monowheel or taildragger, especially with antenna in the tail, it
should propped up on something nonmetal and noncarbon, when using a
test instrument, and especially antenna trimming. Don't paint your
wood sawhorse black.
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa VHF Antenna Problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Roger Anderson wrote:
> ...but the [monopole's] readings are not as good as the original
ones
> from the [problematic] dipole.
> Conclusion - the dipole is great but highly susceptible to
degradation.
>
When mounted in a plastic airplane vs. on a metal airframe, the
monopole whip antenna + ground plane can be as annoyed by things
nearby. The essential difference can be that the longer length of the
dipole makes installation free and clear more of a problem, though.
I bugged a retired, aircraft antenna engineer about what radiates on
the back side of the monopole's ground plane if of the recommended
dimension and a plastic plane. He thought huge backlobes might be
hurled into outer space. I stumbled upon a thread of ham types and
engineers whose 200+ messages had multiple theories and didn't settle
anything. So...which is more efficient???
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Length overall on the trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Paul
I kinda wondered if this is what you wanted. My XS with a Jabiru and
Airmaster w/spinner is 21 feet, 3 inches from the tip of the trailer tongue
to the tip of the spinner. That plus a little extra is what you will need
to park in a garage.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Length overall on the trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
--> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hillam" <sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk>
> . Therefore the total length you require
> (assuming
> you have a monowheel) is the length of your aircraft from the front of the
> spinner to the tailwheel axle, plus 16 inches.
Actually, that's the vital measument I need. If someone has it I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks, Paul
--
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh bound ! ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com>
We are going to be there on Sunday afternoon sometime.
Not sure where we are going to camp, but it will be under the wing I am
guessing.
If I remember right, there is a rule that says you can camp with your
airplane if its in the homebuilt parking area.. I think...
See you all there!
Matt Carpenter
N138WJ
Steve Hagar wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
>Just the thing to spur the enthusiasm to get the last 10% of my aircraft completed
and some rare air underneath the wings. Erich T is swinging by from Vegas
in his Europa to pick me up for the flight to Oshkosh by way of Nebraska to meet
up with another Europa flier. Over the last 6 years of building I probably
have about an hour and a half total time sitting in a Europa that hasn't had
some part of its structure in firm contact with the ground. So this should
be just the thing to whet the old appetite to get mine done. We'll have to see
what transpires when you stuff two 200 pounders an oxygen bottle and minimal
change of spare clothes in for a real cross country jaunt. Will it be like traveling
cross country in an MG Miget or the or the latest Japanese classy sportscar?
Somewhere in between I hope.
>
>Anyway the plans are to camp in the homebuilt parking area, hoping that the
camping gear gets to the UPS tent before us. I would like to get a heads up
of others who will be camping either at the regular camping area or with their
planes. It would be good to settle in for an evening after walking around
all day at the event for a few beers or such with some like minded individuals.
>
>Steve Hagar
>A143
>Mesa AZ
>
>
>Steve Hagar
>hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Length overall on the trailer |
Received-SPF: none
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
That plus a little extra is what you will need to park in a garage.
... And watch the height of the tail if you've got a swingover automatic
garage door because they tend to catch you unawares when the plane is on
it's trailer.
Almost been there.. Almost had the scratches!
Tony
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