---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/18/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:09 AM - Does anyone have a rubber suspension block? (g-self) 2. 04:08 AM - Fitting out Cockpit interior (Gerry Holland) 3. 07:12 AM - Spare parts for Europa Classic (nigel charles) 4. 07:12 AM - Re: 912S starter motor (nigel charles) 5. 01:03 PM - CS prop instruments (Sven den Boer) 6. 01:45 PM - Re: 912S starter motor (Steven Pitt) 7. 02:59 PM - Re: CS prop instruments (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 8. 08:37 PM - CS prop instruments (Fergus Kyle) 9. 09:57 PM - Re: Tri gear legs to short? (Michael Grass) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:05 AM PST US From: "g-self" Subject: Europa-List: Does anyone have a rubber suspension block? --> Europa-List message posted by: "g-self" Hi Everyone I have been asked by my test pilot Steve Lamb if there is anyone in the UK who has does the trike conversion and has a spare suspension block for the monowheel suspension mechanism. He is only interested in the newer style block with the holes for the shock absorbers not the original rectangular solid block. Should you have one that you would be happy to part with then please contact him at steve.lamb@dial.pipex.com or let me know. Thanks Eddie Hatcher G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa. G-SELF, South East London Flying Group Eddie Hatcher, Nick Crisp, Bill Lams Europa Classic (XS) Jabiru3300 Powered Our website www.crispsite.flyer.co.uk ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fitting out Cockpit interior From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Not advertising but just making a recommendation. I decided to trim the interior of my Europa myself. If it had all gone wrong early on I would have given up but things are getting along nicely. I have been using lightweight Aircraft carpet around sides and Fuel tank area but to add some coordination have purchased some lightweight Car Carpet for flooring and Liner for baggage bay upper area from the following Company. Coverdale Carpets. Service is good with samples sent by return post and a nice range of options. They can be contacted at: Coverdale (UK) Ltd Coverdale House Wetheral Close Hindley Ind Estate Hindley Wigan WN2 4HS Tel: 01942 255535 www.carcarpets.co.uk I'm sending the Seat swatches out for completion but the rest has been quite an enjoyable task. Certainly worth getting involved to see if personal talents prevail. Regards Gerry How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:07 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: Europa-List: Spare parts for Europa Classic --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" Having completed my XS upgrade I have found a few left over parts which might be of use to Classic owners. The following parts are surplus to requirements and are available:- Carbon fibre backplate for the Classic spinner. This is much stiffer than the original helping the spinner to run true. Top cowl (painted white) with access doors fitted. This includes the NACA duct for the plenum chamber. Plenum chamber suitable for the Classic only. Original mild steel exhaust. It has surface rust but is unused. It could be useful as a temporary exhaust if problems arise with the stainless exhaust. Anyone interested can ring me on +44 (0) 1380 860620. Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:08 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912S starter motor --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" Steve I presume you meant the air filter not the oil filter (which is at the front of the engine). I cut off the lug anyway as it does nothing useful. Nigel Charles >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- >>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 09:08 >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starter motor >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" >> >> >>Richard >>I have a 912s on a trigear XS and found it remarkably easy to change the >>starter motor without modification (ie chopping off lugs). I had to remove >>the oil filter and some of the locallised wiring but that was all. The >>only >>issue that I was warned about (thank you William Mills) was that the new >>motors have the ability to be split into 2 or 3 parts if you are not >>careful >>so I kept the nuts in place until in situ and then withdrew one bolt at a >>time until the nut was back in place and then repeated for the 2nd bolt. >>I hope this makes sense but certainly it took no more than a couple of >>hours >>on my own. >>Regards >>Steve Pitt >>#403 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Richard Iddon" >>To: >>Subject: Europa-List: 912S starter motor >> >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" >>> >>> I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but considering the >>> comments made and to forestall any problems in the future, I am >>> considering swopping the starter on my 912S for the heavy duty model. I >>> have contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a discount but I >>> have to return the old one within two weeks. Can anyone who has already >>> fitted a new starter tell me if it is a relatively simple job to swop >>> over with the engine in situ or does it need modification / engine out? >>> >>> Richard Iddon G-RIXS >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:27 PM PST US From: "Sven den Boer" Subject: Europa-List: CS prop instruments --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" Hi guys, I am the brink of buying a Woodcomp 3000/3 Constant Speed prop. Not sure though what instruments to fit in the cockpit. I personally would go for a manifold pressure in combination with prop RPM. Any thoughts on this more than welcome. Best Regards, Sven den Boer ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:22 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starter motor --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" Sorry Nigel - I meant the oil tank and its pipework as it was in the way on the stbd side of the engine/firewall. I did wonder about the lug but decided that I did not know enough to start using a hacksaw on what might have been an important attachment. Regards Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912S starter motor > --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" > > Steve > > I presume you meant the air filter not the oil filter (which is at the > front of the engine). I cut off the lug anyway as it does nothing > useful. > > Nigel Charles > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list- > >>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt > >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 09:08 > >>To: europa-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starter motor > >> > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" > >> > >> > >>Richard > >>I have a 912s on a trigear XS and found it remarkably easy to change > the > >>starter motor without modification (ie chopping off lugs). I had to > remove > >>the oil filter and some of the locallised wiring but that was all. The > >>only > >>issue that I was warned about (thank you William Mills) was that the > new > >>motors have the ability to be split into 2 or 3 parts if you are not > >>careful > >>so I kept the nuts in place until in situ and then withdrew one bolt > at a > >>time until the nut was back in place and then repeated for the 2nd > bolt. > >>I hope this makes sense but certainly it took no more than a couple of > >>hours > >>on my own. > >>Regards > >>Steve Pitt > >>#403 > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Richard Iddon" > >>To: > >>Subject: Europa-List: 912S starter motor > >> > >> > >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" > >>> > >>> I don't have too many problems with kickback yet but considering the > >>> comments made and to forestall any problems in the future, I am > >>> considering swopping the starter on my 912S for the heavy duty > model. I > >>> have contacted Skydrive who will supply an exchange at a discount > but I > >>> have to return the old one within two weeks. Can anyone who has > already > >>> fitted a new starter tell me if it is a relatively simple job to > swop > >>> over with the engine in situ or does it need modification / engine > out? > >>> > >>> Richard Iddon G-RIXS > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:14 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: CS prop instruments From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" We tend to use fuel flow more than MP. Fuel flow comes close to representing percent power, which is a function of both MP and RPMs. Regards, Terry Seaver A135 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sven den Boer Subject: Europa-List: CS prop instruments --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" --> Hi guys, I am the brink of buying a Woodcomp 3000/3 Constant Speed prop. Not sure though what instruments to fit in the cockpit. I personally would go for a manifold pressure in combination with prop RPM. Any thoughts on this more than welcome. Best Regards, Sven den Boer ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:59 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: CS prop instruments --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: CS prop instruments | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" | | Hi guys,| | I am the brink of buying a Woodcomp 3000/3 Constant Speed prop. | Not sure though what instruments to fit in the cockpit. | I personally would go for a manifold pressure in combination with prop RPM.| | Any thoughts on this more than welcome.| | Best Regards, Sven den Boer Sven, Good question - I am planning the same but won't be ready for that till early '06. Be pleased to hear of your success. Might be wise to talk to David Joyce as one of the first and still using it. I'd be interested to see what he says. Any experience I have tells me RPM and MP are all one needs to safely control the engine parameters, provided you know the limits of course. The idea was not to overboost, i.e: max MP for RPM in use. Those were memory items in cadet days...... Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:27 PM PST US From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri gear legs to short? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Hi Brian, Hi Cliff, thank you for your advise. After reading your comments I rechecked my alignments and in deed I was not absolutely in level in pitch. I simply had to use a longer level. Also the hint that it is stated in the manual that it is ok to bend the flange of the sockets made a huge difference. I also contacted Andy this morning about all this and he stated that it would be ok to lower the fuselage by a quarter inch. I did the math and it ended to increase the AOA by less then 0.2 deg. I had to lower the fuselage only by an 1/8th of an inch so the increase is les the 0.1 deg.. Anyway. my sockets are in. Thanks again. Michael Grass A266 Trigear Detroit Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri gear legs to short? > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > Hi Michael: > > In fact I just set my legs today and posted those photos just hours ago. > Things to check are your levels. First Is the floor level? Mine was not. > I had > to put 2 bathroom tile on one end of my straight edge. Is the roll level > when > taken at the elevator torque tube? The pitch level should be taken at the > door > jamb area. Draw a line between the centers of the socket holes on the > belly. > Measure where that line intersects the centerline down to the floor. > Should > be 16.25. Mine is about 1/16 higher. While doing the checks make sure your > front and back plumb bobs are centered in the CL line you have marked on > the > floor. I spent 4 hours fitting and setting all this up. > > How wide is the gap that you have and is it all the way around the plate? > Are the gaps the same on both sides? Are the socket holes on the fuselage > opened wide enough and there is no binding of the tube? Is your axle > clamped flat > against the angle iron? If it is not that will cause a larger gap to the > rear > of the plate. > > I did have a 1/8 gap to the rear of each socket base plate. As the manual > reads I slightly bent those areas up to meet the belly. I'm thinking after > 4 > hours set up that it was close enough! > I slathered on some 420 and called it a day... > > Hope some of this helps. > > >