---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/19/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:45 AM - Re: CS prop instruments (David Joyce) 2. 08:36 AM - Rotax plug compound (Ronald J. Parigoris) 3. 09:53 AM - Re: Rotax plug compound (John & Amy Eckel) 4. 10:11 AM - Re: Rotax plug compound (Peter Rees) 5. 10:19 AM - Re: Rotax plug compound (Alan Burrows) 6. 10:54 AM - Re: Rotax plug compound () 7. 12:32 PM - Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri (ctsmallwood) 8. 01:23 PM - fuselage size (Flying Farmer) 9. 02:09 PM - Re: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri (Jeremy Davey) 10. 02:17 PM - Re: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri (Rowland Carson) 11. 02:52 PM - Re: fuselage size (Richard Holder) 12. 03:39 PM - Re: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri (Paul McAllister) 13. 03:41 PM - Re: Rotax plug compound (Paul McAllister) 14. 03:55 PM - Re: fuselage size (Michael Grass) 15. 04:47 PM - Any one need Mod 70? (Robert Borger) 16. 04:48 PM - EX08 914 Tailpipe (Robert Borger) 17. 05:44 PM - Mod 70 is gone (Robert Borger) 18. 06:40 PM - EX08 Tailpipe gone (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:28 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: CS prop instruments --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Sven, The Woodcomp CS controller includes a read out of the prop rpm. It is usual to fit a manifold pressure gauge. Woodcomp advise it and I believe the PFA require it, although I haven't pushed them on the question of whether a fuel flow read out would be considered a suitable substitute, but I suspect there is something to be said for fitting both. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven den Boer" Subject: Europa-List: CS prop instruments > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" > > Hi guys, > > I am the brink of buying a Woodcomp 3000/3 Constant Speed prop. > Not sure though what instruments to fit in the cockpit. > I personally would go for a manifold pressure in combination with prop RPM. > > Any thoughts on this more than welcome. > > Best Regards, > > Sven den Boer > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail is protected from spam and viruses > > Doctors.net.uk - the network of 114,000 UK doctors > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:18 AM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Rotax really makes you work at discovery of important things through their hard to deal with update old manual with Service bulletins, Alerts etc. Latest one I found (I pretty much have been reading a little from new to old) is they want you to use silicone thermal conductive paste on the spark plug threads. (think ~ 1998) Not using this paste indicates bad things can happen like pre ignition due to hot spots and hurt plugs. Looking up the price of the Rotax offering is well over 100$ for a small tube. I talked to Lockwood, and seems you can use Silicone heat conductive paste Radio Shack sells. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:42 AM PST US From: "John & Amy Eckel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" I believe it, I am always amazed at the price of things. I am once again thinking about buying a plane. Right now I am looking at Cessna 140's. Not sure why I am interested in that plane, but is seem like an affordable airplane that would be decent for cross country. I don't mind not going real fast because I like to look at things. Do you have any experience with them or any buying tips? Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > > Rotax really makes you work at discovery of important things through their > hard > to deal with update old manual with Service bulletins, Alerts etc. > > Latest one I found (I pretty much have been reading a little from new to > old) is > they want you to use silicone thermal conductive paste on the spark plug > threads. (think ~ 1998) Not using this paste indicates bad things can > happen > like pre ignition due to hot spots and hurt plugs. > > Looking up the price of the Rotax offering is well over 100$ for a small > tube. > > I talked to Lockwood, and seems you can use Silicone heat conductive paste > Radio > Shack sells. > > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:54 AM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" you can buy a small quantity of the stuff from skydrive for about 5-10 (the price escapes me) - I guess they give you enough to change about half a dozen sets of plugs (unless I've been very mean with it!). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > > Rotax really makes you work at discovery of important things through their > hard > to deal with update old manual with Service bulletins, Alerts etc. > > Latest one I found (I pretty much have been reading a little from new to > old) is > they want you to use silicone thermal conductive paste on the spark plug > threads. (think ~ 1998) Not using this paste indicates bad things can > happen > like pre ignition due to hot spots and hurt plugs. > > Looking up the price of the Rotax offering is well over 100$ for a small > tube. > > I talked to Lockwood, and seems you can use Silicone heat conductive paste > Radio > Shack sells. > > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:50 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" That's what we over here call "A good hour builder" -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John & Amy Eckel Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" --> I believe it, I am always amazed at the price of things. I am once again thinking about buying a plane. Right now I am looking at Cessna 140's. Not sure why I am interested in that plane, but is seem like an affordable airplane that would be decent for cross country. I don't mind not going real fast because I like to look at things. Do you have any experience with them or any buying tips? Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > > Rotax really makes you work at discovery of important things through > their > hard > to deal with update old manual with Service bulletins, Alerts etc. > > Latest one I found (I pretty much have been reading a little from new > to > old) is > they want you to use silicone thermal conductive paste on the spark plug > threads. (think ~ 1998) Not using this paste indicates bad things can > happen > like pre ignition due to hot spots and hurt plugs. > > Looking up the price of the Rotax offering is well over 100$ for a > small > tube. > > I talked to Lockwood, and seems you can use Silicone heat conductive > paste > Radio > Shack sells. > > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:26 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: Hi John 140's are great. I bought one in '59 for $800. (It hadn't flown for 3 years and the engine leaked oil from every seam. I sent away for an o-ring and seal kit and over a weekend took the jugs off, etc and put it back together. Hmm, I still had a small jar full of parts that I didn't find a place for. The jar stayed in the aircraft for the next 6 years that I had it and the engine probably knew the parts were there because it ran like a top! All I ever did to it was wash it and fly it including a trip across North America. In those days you did not need annual inspections so it never had any. I never had to replace anything such as tires, plugs, battery, etc. I was always too cheap to insure it... Sold it for $3,000. Tom Friedland -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John & Amy Eckel Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" --> I believe it, I am always amazed at the price of things. I am once again thinking about buying a plane. Right now I am looking at Cessna 140's. Not sure why I am interested in that plane, but is seem like an affordable airplane that would be decent for cross country. I don't mind not going real fast because I like to look at things. Do you have any experience with them or any buying tips? Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > > Rotax really makes you work at discovery of important things through > their > hard > to deal with update old manual with Service bulletins, Alerts etc. > > Latest one I found (I pretty much have been reading a little from new > to > old) is > they want you to use silicone thermal conductive paste on the spark plug > threads. (think ~ 1998) Not using this paste indicates bad things can > happen > like pre ignition due to hot spots and hurt plugs. > > Looking up the price of the Rotax offering is well over 100$ for a > small > tube. > > I talked to Lockwood, and seems you can use Silicone heat conductive > paste > Radio > Shack sells. > > Ron Parigoris > > > -- -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:29 PM PST US From: "ctsmallwood" Subject: Europa-List: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" Hi All Completed first flight 18 July at Tatenhill.Briefly Pilots report.15 minuet flight "fly's very well and predictable!" Thanks to all for the support over the past 4years. Regards Colin Smallwood ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:11 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: fuselage size From: "Flying Farmer" 1.64 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty 0.10 TO_EMPTY To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" Hi all, I'm new here and just about to order my kit, I'm in the middle of getting my workshop ready, nearly dun. I want to know if a completed fuselage will fit through a hole in my loft (window) which is 1.5m X 1.5m I think it will if the wheels & legs can be removed after completion, Is this possible so they can be re assembled after I have got the aircraft outside I hope you can help ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:24 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Colin, Congratulations! Keep us all informed on progress with the flight testing! Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1400 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ctsmallwood Subject: Europa-List: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" Hi All Completed first flight 18 July at Tatenhill.Briefly Pilots report.15 minuet flight "fly's very well and predictable!" Thanks to all for the support over the past 4years. Regards Colin Smallwood ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:04 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2005-07-19 20:48 +0100 ctsmallwood wrote: >Completed first flight 18 July at Tatenhill Colin - congratulations! Now my usual enquiry about the details ... can you let me know for the record the prop used, the empty weight, and the pilot's name (plus the build hours if known). regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary (retiring) - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:39 PM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuselage size --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > Hi all, > I'm new here and just about to order my kit, I'm in the middle of getting my workshop ready, nearly dun. > > I want to know if a completed fuselage will fit through a hole in my loft (window) which is 1.5m X 1.5m I think it will if the wheels & legs can be removed after completion, Is this possible so they can be re assembled after I have got the aircraft outside > > I hope you can help I haven't measured mine - the fuselage might be narrow enough to go through 1.5 m width, but the fin is definitely not gonna go through there unless you have some very clever remove-and-get-the-angle-right hoisting equipment. The inside is supposed to be 44 inches shoulder width and a few things stick out fruther than that. But even 50 inches is less than 1.5 metres. The prop could also be a problem ! And once the wheels and brake pipes are on you wouldn't want to remove them. The legs themselves are removable, and are also useful to sit the aircraft on its legs while working on it. You would just have to wait until the "outside the barn" phase before you did much of that stuff. There is a scale drawing somewhere in the manual. Richard ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:21 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fist Flight G-DEBR Tri --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Colin, Congratulations, now the fun begins. Paul McAllister N378PJ 270 Hours and still grinning :0) do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:55 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax plug compound --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi John, My hanger partner has a C140, he tells me that he logs 3 landings for each take off..... he loves it. I had a C150 for 3 years and put about 240 hours on it and completed my instrument rating in it. In some ways the C140 is even better, it will build your tailwheel time, it weights a little less, goes a little faster and uses a little less fuel. Paul do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:53 PM PST US From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuselage size --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Hi, my fuselage (Europa XS) is about 1.15 m wide and about 1.2 m high so there is no problem. The tail is about 1.4m high so it might get a little tight but if you have the fuselage slightly turned in its cradle then there should be no problem at all since the diagonal is about 2.1 m. Just my penny worth of thoughts Michael Grass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuselage size > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > >> Hi all, >> I'm new here and just about to order my kit, I'm in the middle of >> getting my workshop ready, nearly dun. >> >> I want to know if a completed fuselage will fit through a hole in my loft >> (window) which is 1.5m X 1.5m I think it will if the wheels & legs can be >> removed after completion, Is this possible so they can be re assembled >> after I have got the aircraft outside >> >> I hope you can help > > I haven't measured mine - the fuselage might be narrow > enough to go through 1.5 m width, but the fin is > definitely not gonna go through there unless you have some > very clever remove-and-get-the-angle-right hoisting > equipment. The inside is supposed to be 44 inches shoulder > width and a few things stick out fruther than that. But > even 50 inches is less than 1.5 metres. The prop could > also be a problem ! > > And once the wheels and brake pipes are on you wouldn't > want to remove them. The legs themselves are removable, > and are also useful to sit the aircraft on its legs while > working on it. You would just have to wait until the > "outside the barn" phase before you did much of that stuff. > > There is a scale drawing somewhere in the manual. > > Richard > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:01 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: Any one need Mod 70? --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger Europaphiles, Europa made a small error and shipped me two Mod 70's. Being the great folks they are, they are not going to charge me for the 2nd Mod 70. Still, I have an extra Mod 70 I do not need. There's no way I'm going to replace that mass balance arm again just because I have the parts to do so. If anyone out there, preferably in North America, requires a Mod 70 without the TP18F Positioning Lugs Assembly or "butterfly" with which to attach your restraining cables. Please send me your mailing address and I'll be happy to ship this off to you. All I ask is that you reimburse the shipping cost. This offer is being made first come - first served. BTW, if you wish to use your restraining cables and require the TP18F Positioning Lugs Assembly or "butterfly," it is available from E2004 at a price of 15 Pounds Sterling. No, it is not gold plated. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, Doors and Latches fitted, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail. Mod 70 arrived 2005/07/05. Airmaster on order. Seat cushions arrived from Oregon Aero. http://www.europawoners.org/N914XL 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:47 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: EX08 914 Tailpipe --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger Europaphiles, Europa made a small error and shipped me two EX08 914 Tailpipe's. Being the great folks they are, they are not going to charge me for the 2nd EX08. Still, I have an extra EX08 which I do not need. If anyone out there, preferably in North America, requires an EX08 914 Tailpipe, please send me your mailing address and I'll be happy to ship this off to you. All I ask is that you reimburse the shipping cost. This offer is being made first come - first served. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, Doors and Latches fitted, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail. Mod 70 arrived 2005/07/05. Airmaster on order. Seat cushions arrived from Oregon Aero. http://www.europawoners.org/N914XL 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:25 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 is gone --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger Europaphiles, The Mod 70 is spoken for. Good building and great flying. Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, Doors and Latches fitted, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail. Mod 70 arrived 2005/07/05. Airmaster on order. Seat cushions arrived from Oregon Aero. http://www.europawoners.org/N914XL 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:29 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: EX08 Tailpipe gone --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger Europaphiles, The EX08 Tailpipe has been claimed. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, Doors and Latches fitted, lift/drag/flap pins in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail. Mod 70 arrived 2005/07/05. Airmaster on order. Seat cushions arrived from Oregon Aero. http://www.europawoners.org/N914XL 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117