---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/30/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - Doth Sunday 31st August (Alan Burrows) 2. 03:58 AM - My first Flight (ctsmallwood) 3. 05:41 AM - Classic Europa items available (nigel charles) 4. 05:41 AM - Re: Tacho problem (nigel charles) 5. 05:41 AM - Re: Radio reception problems (nigel charles) 6. 07:17 AM - Re: My first Flight (Jeremy Davey) 7. 07:48 AM - Re: Radio reception problems (Bryan Allsop) 8. 07:49 AM - Re: My first Flight (Bryan Allsop) 9. 07:51 AM - Re: Monopole Antenna for Troubleshooting (Fred Fillinger) 10. 09:07 AM - Re: Tacho problem (Richard Iddon) 11. 11:50 AM - Interior fitment (Gerry Holland) 12. 12:31 PM - Re: Interior fitment (KARL HEINDL) 13. 01:18 PM - Re: Interior fitment (Gerry Holland) 14. 04:05 PM - Re: First flight N214KS (KandShill@aol.com) 15. 05:18 PM - Re: Radio reception problems (Fred Fillinger) 16. 06:17 PM - Buying Avionics off eBay (Fred Fillinger) 17. 08:56 PM - Outrigger Cuffs (Tony Krzyzewski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:17 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: Doth Sunday 31st August --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" It looks like the weather at Brunscombe is not going to be that good so does anyone have an alternative venue in the north of England, if not we intend to head to Carlisle for lunch? Alan Burrows ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:58 AM PST US From: "ctsmallwood" Subject: Europa-List: My first Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" Hi All Just to share with both flyers and builders, A 25 minuet flight yesterday as Eng. observer in G-DEBR (part of flight test schedule) and my first Europa flight was Fantastic. Fast and quiet, the "Adverts" are right!!! All builders Keep going its definitely worth it, even after 4 yrs I would also like to acknowledge the help and advice (and patience) from Graham Singleton Regards Colin Smallwood ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:37 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: Europa-List: Classic Europa items available --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" I still have two items left over from my XS upgrade suitable for Classic Europas. They are a carbon fibre backplate and a complete painted top cowl which incorporates the NACA inlet for the plenum chamber mod. Anyone interested contact me offline at nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk. Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:38 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tacho problem --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" Hi Richard Should you not be able to fix your tacho I have a spare available. It tends to overread by about 200rpm at maximum (ie 6000 instead of 5800) but it can be adjusted if you can be bothered to set it up. If you want it I would accept about half the going price for it. Regards Nigel Charles >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- >>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon >>Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 17:44 >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Europa-List: Tacho problem >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" >> >>The Rotax analogue tacho on my 912S started flickering about on my last >>flight for no apparent reason. I have just test run the engine again >>today and it has ceased working altogether. I have checked that there is >>power going to it OK. >> >>I looked in the archive and find that some people have swapped a couple >>of wires around and solved the flickering problem but I can't work out >>which wires they swapped round. >> >>Can anyone enlighten me or offer any other solution to a duff tacho? >> >>Richard Iddon G-RIXS >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:38 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio reception problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" I find the Apollo SL40 (same as the SL30 minus NAV) excellent. This radio also has the advantage of providing an extra receiver by being able to monitor the standby freq -very useful when checking an ATIS or listening in to a tower freq whilst under the control of another agency. I use the standard Europa VHF aerial. Nigel Charles >>Bryan, >> >>Is this a general problem, or is it only on the Icom 200 radio. It seems >>to >>me that if different guys on different aircraft (ie installations) are >>experiencing the same problem, then perhaps the type of radio is the >>common >>factor here. >> >>As an example, I have the now obsolete Appollo SL30 Nav/Com but have not >>noticed any poor performance. >> >>What is the experience of the owners of other makes of radio. >> >>regards, >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:40 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: My first Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Colin. Big smiles all round! :-) Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1400 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ctsmallwood Subject: Europa-List: My first Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" Hi All Just to share with both flyers and builders, A 25 minuet flight yesterday as Eng. observer in G-DEBR (part of flight test schedule) and my first Europa flight was Fantastic. Fast and quiet, the "Adverts" are right!!! All builders Keep going its definitely worth it, even after 4 yrs I would also like to acknowledge the help and advice (and patience) from Graham Singleton Regards Colin Smallwood ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:14 AM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio reception problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" Thanks Nigel, but I am not changing the radio. It works well. I will play with the antenna, and blame the French for not answering me if that does not work. Cheers Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Radio reception problems > --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" > > > I find the Apollo SL40 (same as the SL30 minus NAV) excellent. This > radio also has the advantage of providing an extra receiver by being > able to monitor the standby freq -very useful when checking an ATIS or > listening in to a tower freq whilst under the control of another agency. > I use the standard Europa VHF aerial. > > Nigel Charles > >>>Bryan, >>> >>>Is this a general problem, or is it only on the Icom 200 radio. It > seems >>>to >>>me that if different guys on different aircraft (ie installations) are >>>experiencing the same problem, then perhaps the type of radio is the >>>common >>>factor here. >>> >>>As an example, I have the now obsolete Appollo SL30 Nav/Com but have > not >>>noticed any poor performance. >>> >>>What is the experience of the owners of other makes of radio. >>> >>>regards, >>> >>>Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:21 AM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: My first Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" Well done! You can enjoy it like the rest of us now. Regards Bryan Allsop G BYSA do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "ctsmallwood" Subject: Europa-List: My first Flight > --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" > > Hi All > > Just to share with both flyers and builders, > A 25 minuet flight yesterday as Eng. observer in G-DEBR > (part of flight test schedule) and my first Europa flight > was Fantastic. Fast and quiet, the "Adverts" are right!!! > All builders Keep going its definitely worth it, even after 4 yrs > I would also like to acknowledge the help and advice (and patience) > from Graham Singleton > > Regards Colin Smallwood > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:53 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monopole Antenna for Troubleshooting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > 1. Can we use aluminium rod/tube instead of the copper wire. Using a > mechanical joint instead of a soldered one? Mechanical joints eventually corrode, unless attention is paid to metal fasteners. Else, it will not alter performance. > 3. Would there be any mutual effect with the Transponder > ariel quite close by? The VHF antenna sees the xpondr antenna as a tiny thingy of no consequence. However, the coax to the xpondr antenna can certainly annoy a nearby VHF antenna. Further, is your coax from the VHF antenna running parallel to one of the dipole legs? That's worst case for trashing a radiating pattern. Must run perpendicular from the center >= 2 feet, then make any sharp turn. > 2. Would the various metal items in the rear of the fuselage degrade... Malicious devils. The texts tend to show the energy radiating from the base of the element (the center of a dipole, if such). If not merely for illustration, I think I can dig that. In the point in an RF cycle where voltage is highest, it can't xmit squat at the tip, and therefore does not radiate from there. Voltage and current -- the heavy lifter -- are 90-deg out of phase, and 90-deg is 1/4 wavelength. What tuning is all about. Anything near the tip is bad, because that I guess is where the local "e-field" is at (voltage). Or the near field, of no use to us, but don't upset it. Besides whacking a bunch of dB by detuning, we're also creating a crude directional antenna, meaning the radiation field may not be where ATC is at. Note that it's easier to visualize xmitting; reception is the precise reciprocal. > ...the performance of the antenna if it is mounted > behind the 'D' panel as illustrated? Attachments must not come thru the list, but in that location there can be long perpendicular metal nearby. If on the left side, your body is in the way for communicating forward. Carbon-based life forms absorb; trees thoroughly trash GPS. Better might be further back. The longitudinal stuff will be more in the dipole's center, and put up with a few dB loss on the curvature of the elements. I don't see anywhere in the fuselage that's good, though others come out OK (really just huge, dynamic range of our comm boxes). Mine was thus "micro'd" in the trailing edge of the rudder. I might suffer some static buildup, though. I went upstairs yesterday in the AA-5 to check worst case conditions. Comm #2 was bought off eBay for $200, connected to a bent whip antenna; its attachment screws are too rusty to remove; I personally aligned the box w/o a service manual. :-) At 2,500 AGL, put that big air carrier field behind me and just keep going, and going. I don't mean listening to tower; he's not goin' away until well into Pennsylvania. It's the guys on the ground. Still strong transmissions must be top mounted antennas. Weak ones, or no response heard is maybe bottom-mount, or that huge Convention Center bldg, for the ones at the end of the landing roll on 24L. Or ask Tower for permission to talk to JetLine 236. A sexy little $50 million RJ with a foil dipole; that's just so wrong. :-) At 55 miles, it was losing educational value, and I didn't have all that much fuel aboard! Something has to be radically wrong, if no joy at like 25 miles. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:11 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tacho problem --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" Nigel, Thanks for the offer. I have now fixed the problem. It was simply a connection which I had pulled partly apart whilst fitting a new starter motor and carb heaters last week. Do not archive Richard. Hi Richard Should you not be able to fix your tacho I have a spare available. It tends to overread by about 200rpm at maximum (ie 6000 instead of 5800) but it can be adjusted if you can be bothered to set it up. If you want it I would accept about half the going price for it. Regards Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:29 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Interior fitment From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Hi! I=B9m still moving forward with trimming out my Europa but have an observation to make that may help others with this task if they do it themselves. With the Cockpit Module in place and just before the top gets glued on why not make up the templates or some of the shapes required to upholster the area. You can even roughly cut out the lining if used for the baggage area whilst the top of cockpit is available to invert. Just an idea based on the realisation of how little room there is to work in some areas when top and Perspex fitted. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:06 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Interior fitment --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Good idea , Gerry. I installed all of the linings, carpets, etc. before putting the top on. Roof liningwith the top inverted etc. It is so much easier. The only thing to keep in mind is to not glue some of the edges and to leave extra material, then do a final trim and glue after fitting the top. Karl >From: Gerry Holland >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Europa-List: Interior fitment >Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:48:40 +0100 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > > >Hi! > >I=B9m still moving forward with trimming out my Europa but have an >observation >to make that may help others with this task if they do it themselves. > >With the Cockpit Module in place and just before the top gets glued on why >not make up the templates or some of the shapes required to upholster the >area. You can even roughly cut out the lining if used for the baggage area >whilst the top of cockpit is available to invert. > >Just an idea based on the realisation of how little room there is to work >in >some areas when top and Perspex fitted. > >Regards > >Gerry > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Interior fitment From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Karl > Good idea , Gerry. I installed all of the linings, carpets, etc. before > putting the top on. Roof liningwith the top inverted etc. It is so much > easier. Thanks Karl for confirming my impressions. Regards Gerry Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:10 PM PST US From: KandShill@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight N214KS --> Europa-List message posted by: KandShill@aol.com Hi Rowland, The first flight took place in Livermore California. Ken ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:28 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radio reception problems --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" > > >... In the lower 120's we get no reception > > at all at times. > > > or is it only on the Icom 200 radio. It seems to > me that if different guys on different aircraft (ie installations) are > experiencing the same problem, then perhaps the type of radio > is the common factor here. > ... > What is the experience of the owners of other makes of radio. Or the actual service bench experience? Seriously, one need only to look at the front of the box to know it's freq-synthesized, computer-controlled, Rube Goldberg machine that is actually quite reliable as a basic design. A dip in a range of freqs requires failure of certain circuits, but they would fail in ways which are inconsistent with this, like completely. One manual has massive Yes-No flow charts for trouble isolation. This symptom's not even in there! A shop can check flat response in minutes, but they like to charge the full hour in the States, like everywhere else there's a diagnosis fee these days. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:20 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Europa-List: Buying Avionics off eBay --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" It has occurred to me I now should describe the world of eBay, so nobody gets burned. The Narco COM 120 I bought was actually funny. Very good cosmetic condition; tested great on the bench. The seller said "working when removed for upgrade." They love that last word, because it implies no other reason to replace. Well, it had a thermal fault. Showed up after 45 minutes, like Old Faithful. So "upgrade" can really mean just replacing a bad box.. He wasn't fibbing; because it was removed "cold" and of course...worked when removed! A crazy one was a nav receiver. According to several repairs tags stuffed inside, in Spanish, it spent much of its life in Mexico. Well, there's a licensed repair guy down there named Pancho, who must rip stuff out of old Emerson table radios for parts. Wrong value, but circuit operation would be unaffected, and probably he knew that. But an oversized part, requiring a horrid installation method. So this radio winds up north over the border in Texas, offered by a guy who eBay resells a lot of this stuff. You can tell when such a guy knows avionics, by the wording in his eBay offerings. Most everything is "AS IS," but when a guy like this says "working when removed," it means the guy who sold it to him said it did, like maybe even a Pancho. This guy only occasionally says "unknown condition." If no one told him OK when removed, well a guy who knows avionics can check this box in minutes for basic function, so "unknown condition" means...it doesn't work! It didn't; but for $25 I gambled a circuit board I needed would be OK, and was after repairing old Pancho's handiwork. Have four other eBay items that don't work; two that do. Only takes enough other eBay bidders to be suspicious enough I won on a very low bid. Only one seller described exactly what was wrong with it. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:19 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger Cuffs From: "Tony Krzyzewski" Received-SPF: none --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" I'm at the point of fitting the outrigger cuffs from the monowheel go faster kit. Uuuuunfortunately I had these painted prior to drilling the holes and can no longer see the scribe marks that indicate where to drill. Could someone with a monowheel go faster kit please measure the following for me.. Using the top of the cuff as a reference, project the centreline of the ourigger arm down the cuff. Project a line perpendicular to this line to intersect the centre of the scribe marks. Measurement 1: Top of cuff to intersect line Measurement 2: Length of intersect line from centreline to scribe mark Thanks Tony Wings almost ready to fly. Electrics almost done. Mod 70 almost done. Discovering that fitting everything together after filling and painting is quite "entertaining" :)