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1. 01:17 AM - Tools (paul atkinson)
2. 01:27 AM - Re: tools (willie harrison)
3. 01:38 AM - Advice about Aberdeen please (Alan Burrows)
4. 01:51 AM - seats (paul atkinson)
5. 04:00 AM - Re: tools (Richard Iddon)
6. 06:27 AM - XS Kit for sale (Ray M. Knapp)
7. 07:50 AM - Jabiru as alterantive (Myron Haluschak)
8. 08:47 AM - Seating (Erich Trombley)
9. 08:47 AM - Re: Jabiru as alterantive (GLENN CROWDER)
10. 09:59 AM - Re: Jabiru as alterantive (Fred Fillinger)
11. 10:28 AM - Re: Jabiru as alterantive (GLENN CROWDER)
12. 12:06 PM - Re: DOTH? (Richard Iddon)
13. 01:06 PM - Radio reception problems (Bryan Allsop)
14. 01:07 PM - Re: Seating (Terry Seaver (terrys))
15. 01:32 PM - Re: Seating (Wendy Jenks)
16. 01:33 PM - Re: Jabiru as alterantive (Fred Fillinger)
17. 02:08 PM - Re: DOTH? (Bryan Allsop)
18. 02:58 PM - Re: Jabiru as alterantive (GLENN CROWDER)
19. 03:32 PM - Re: Radio reception problems (Fred Fillinger)
20. 03:40 PM - Re: DOTH? (Richard Iddon)
21. 11:03 PM - What type of foam used for stabilators? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
22. 11:34 PM - Re: seats (nigel charles)
23. 11:53 PM - Re: DOTH? (Richard Iddon)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Thanks to everyone for their contributions on this. I missed Nigel's
excellent article.
Between you all my questions have now been answered.
Paul
ps the crowbar and hammer are now back in my demolition toolkit.
Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
We had this same debate in a Jodel syndicate I used to belong to,
following an engine failure caused by a blocked main jet, which led to a
very bumpy forced landing in a corn field. We debated how to carry just
enough tools so you stood a chance of fixing simple faults like this and
taking off again. Everyone in the syndicate had a view, but the one I
recall was from a colleague who'd had enough of forced landings: he
simply said, "Let's just carry a box of matches in the toolkit, because
if it ever does that to me again I'll set fire to the b*****."
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| Subject: | Advice about Aberdeen please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Slightly off subject, but can anyone tell me if there is a flying club
or other cheap handling agent at Aberdeen, as the ones that the airport
are offering me are all a little expensive?
Many Thanks
Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Sven
I copied the shape of my seat back from a peugeot 205 which I had always
found comfortable after several hours. I shaped a block of foam to match
it and then laid up 2 plies of bid onto it. I added some foam and glass
stiffeners to the back of the layup to preserve its shape and then got it
upholstered. The end result is very comfortable. It was rather labour
intensive but worth the effort. Temperfoam is definately a good idea for
the base not only for comfort, but for its energy absorbtion, which might
save your spine after a heavy impact.
If you would like more details contact me off list.
Paul
Time: 02:52:02 PM PST US
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Subject: Europa-List: Seating
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
<svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Dear Europaphiles,
A problem with seating occurs to me.
After an hour or so my back feels like broken.
Current cushions are filled with ordinary polyetherfoam types of 5/6 cm
thicknes.
Any designs and/or material tips/vendors available to help me out ?
Best Regards,
Sven den Boer
The Netherlands
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
When my brother was launching a boat he had just spent several years
building, an old 'sea salt' friend of his gave him a tool box. In it
were just three objects, a small hammer, a large hammer and a condom.
The advice was if something on the boat didn't work try the small
hammer. If it still didn't work, try the large hammer. And if that
didn't work, use the third object. Probably work just as well for a
Europa!
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Do not archive
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison"
<willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
We had this same debate in a Jodel syndicate I used to belong to,
following an engine failure caused by a blocked main jet, which led to a
very bumpy forced landing in a corn field. We debated how to carry just
enough tools so you stood a chance of fixing simple faults like this and
taking off again. Everyone in the syndicate had a view, but the one I
recall was from a colleague who'd had enough of forced landings: he
simply said, "Let's just carry a box of matches in the toolkit, because
if it ever does that to me again I'll set fire to the b*****."
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ray M. Knapp" <rmkhomes@charter.net>
August 11, 2005
Hi All,
Well, I got all excited, purchased a kit, planned to complete it in
a hurry - and - CHANGES. My business has boomed - I simply have no
time. Will have to stick with Cessna. So I've got Kit # A196 for sale
- $22,000. Full monowheel kit, fast build options, long range fuel tank
& speed kit. No work done except all steel parts are Cadmium plated.
Wings still shrink-wrapped. Located in Medford, Oregon. E-mail is
best: rmkhomes@charter.net or call 541-899-4041.
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| Subject: | Jabiru as alterantive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Myron Haluschak" <myron.haluschak@sympatico.ca>
Thanks to all who contributed to the Jabiru /Rotax post I put out. I was expecting
a spirited dialogue, and got just that.
Certainly alot goes to those running the Rotax now, but so too, to those making
new paths with Jabiru: a very good engine.
With my time at Oshkosh over many years, I have been seeing a shift of sorts, for
an engine choice. Most were going with the Rotax, including myself years ago,
but there is a shift in the kit manufacterer's choices. They are getting into
the Jabiru line, simply because the consumer wants it. Not unlike the Murphy
Rebel of mine, which also was designed and built around the early Rotax 80
hp.
Now this plane sports a 180 hp Lyc in some cases, flies and performs well. It is
simply a sign of evolution.
I doubt the Rotax will be replaced... but I do believe that there is a good reason
why the manufacteres are starting to switch from what they offered as standard
equipment.
The biggest advantage from an operator's view is running costs... two I spoke with,
operating flight schools, cannot keep the economics down, and have switched
to the Jabiru, and are satisfied with performance, operating costs, easier
maintenance, and equal , if not more power.
Not all of us are commercial operators, so the rigours of this type of flying won't
be the norm, then again, for some it may be.
All in all, I have obtained a wide cross section of information from many different
people, with different exposures to both engines, and it has been interesting.
Thanking you all again for your inputs.
Myron Haluschak USAF monowheel A049
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Regarding seating. I had flow in a number of Europas prior to completing my own.
What I found was that most of the builders did not give consideration to lumbar
support (lower back). Unfortunately, I couldn't even take a 30 min. ride
without sever back pain. When I constructed my seats I made sure the lower
back seat cushion pushed against my lumbar. I am fairly tall 6'1" and found
that a semi-reclined position worked best for me. I am able to travel for up
to 5 or 6 hours in complete comfort. Good luck.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Regarding seating. Ihad flow in a number of Europas prior to completing my own.
What I found was that most of the builders did not give consideration to lumbar
support (lower back). Unfortunately, I couldn't even take a 30 min. ride without
sever back pain. When I constructed my seats I made sure the lower back
seat cushion pushed against my lumbar. I am fairly tall 6'1" and found that a
semi-reclined position worked best for me. I am able to travel for up to 5 or
6 hours in complete comfort. Good luck.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Jabiru as alterantive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
There is also the Honda VTEC CAM 125 package. Pretty slick setup. I
understand they are
redesigning the gearbox to cut 20 lbs. I know at least one other builder
planning to use this
unit. Alex Bowman is claiming 200 mph speeds at lower altitudes and that is
with a Warp
Drive prop!
http://www.firewall.ca/main.html
Firewall Forward
Glenn Crowder
>From: "Myron Haluschak" <myron.haluschak@sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Jabiru as alterantive
>Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:49:33 -0400
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Myron Haluschak"
><myron.haluschak@sympatico.ca>
>
>Thanks to all who contributed to the Jabiru /Rotax post I put out. I was
>expecting a spirited dialogue, and got just that.
>Certainly alot goes to those running the Rotax now, but so too, to those
>making new paths with Jabiru: a very good engine.
>
>With my time at Oshkosh over many years, I have been seeing a shift of
>sorts, for an engine choice. Most were going with the Rotax, including
>myself years ago, but there is a shift in the kit manufacterer's choices.
>They are getting into the Jabiru line, simply because the consumer wants
>it. Not unlike the Murphy Rebel of mine, which also was designed and built
>around the early Rotax 80 hp.
>Now this plane sports a 180 hp Lyc in some cases, flies and performs well.
>It is simply a sign of evolution.
>I doubt the Rotax will be replaced... but I do believe that there is a good
>reason why the manufacteres are starting to switch from what they offered
>as standard equipment.
>The biggest advantage from an operator's view is running costs... two I
>spoke with, operating flight schools, cannot keep the economics down, and
>have switched to the Jabiru, and are satisfied with performance, operating
>costs, easier maintenance, and equal , if not more power.
>Not all of us are commercial operators, so the rigours of this type of
>flying won't be the norm, then again, for some it may be.
>All in all, I have obtained a wide cross section of information from many
>different people, with different exposures to both engines, and it has been
>interesting.
>Thanking you all again for your inputs.
>
>Myron Haluschak USAF monowheel A049
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru as alterantive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER":
> ...
> Honda VTEC CAM 125 package....
> Alex Bowman is claiming 200 mph speeds at
> lower altitudes and that is with a Warp Drive prop!
Whatever... But I've seen no accusation that the formulas
in Dr. Hoerner's books on aerodynamics are wrong. If say a
80HP Rotax is say 140MPH full throttle down low, then to get
to 200MPH will require (allowing even for Hoerner's
unquantified fudge factor for a very clean airframe), over
200HP. To go 200 on 125HP, same prop or not, requires the
addition of a little-known element either as a fuel
additive, or in casting the redrive box, called balonium.
:-)
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru as alterantive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Hey Fred!
Yeah, seems high to me as well, but I'm getting an honest 172-175 mph
GPS at 7500 ft with my 125 hp rated EA81 and I do not have the slick
underbody fairings as on Alex's plane. When
your'e trying to go fast, the aero mods can help more than more hp. Like
this guy who went
214 mph on 65 hp!
http://www.ar-5.com/sportav93.html
The Arnold AR-5
>From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru as alterantive
>Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:58:40 -0400
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER":
> > ...
> > Honda VTEC CAM 125 package....
> > Alex Bowman is claiming 200 mph speeds at
> > lower altitudes and that is with a Warp Drive prop!
>
>Whatever... But I've seen no accusation that the formulas
>in Dr. Hoerner's books on aerodynamics are wrong. If say a
>80HP Rotax is say 140MPH full throttle down low, then to get
>to 200MPH will require (allowing even for Hoerner's
>unquantified fudge factor for a very clean airframe), over
>200HP. To go 200 on 125HP, same prop or not, requires the
>addition of a little-known element either as a fuel
>additive, or in casting the redrive box, called balonium.
>:-)
>
>Reg,
>Fred F.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Brian et al
How is Friday looking for a DOTH?
Possible venues for me, Fishburn, Sherburn, (free in Flyer)
Or Netherthorpe (freebie in Pilot)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
Anyone thinking of doing a Doth this week. or did the Isle of Man
satisfy everyones cravings?
Cheers Bryan
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| Subject: | Radio reception problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Many thanks for all of the help with my problems with reception at the lower 120MHz
freq range.
Following Fred's instructions I build the optimum antenna from 6 mm dia.copper
wire ( quarter of an inchish for the old Imperial types). It worked perfectly
with low - zero reflection across the useful range of frequencies, and a high
forward performance throughout. This was with the perfect shape.
Regrettably to fit it into the rear of my Europa I had to bend the shape into something
which was far from perfect. This had a seriously adverse effect on the
performance. When this was coupled with the proximity of two human shaped bags
of liquid, and a variety of hardware essential to the workings of my aircraft,
it made the 'Fillinger Special' an impractical alternative to the fin mounted
di-pole.
All of this effort had involved me in two days of work, but I had learned a lot.
Going back to the Di-pole. I tested it through the range of frequencies. Much to
my surprise I found the reflection to be fairly low in the lower frequency range
( 120- 128 MHz ). It rose to it's worst values above 130 MHz. I have never
had reception problems in that range. Curiouser and curiouser!
Now listen to this Bob H! Finally I strapped my Europa on, and took it out for
some practical radio testing. Bob has told me that he cannot receive Conningsby
(120.8), Humberside (119.125) without dumping the squelch, so I went to try
them. I was particularly interested in the Conningsby frequency (120.8) because
this is the very range thatI have had problems with. Blow me if they did not
both come in fives from twenty miles.
I also tied Bob's other bogey frequency, Wickenby's (hand held) 122.45. They read
me five, and I read them four.
A last thought. Is it possible that whilst breaking and remaking my connectors
for the tests I had done somthing good? Maybe I should go back to my original
thesis that the French in Lille don't like talking to Derbyshire people ( or Yorkshire
people Roger Mills).
I think I have had it for now. I'll shuffle off back to the funny farm and rest.
My Woodcomp prop is working well now.
Regards to all.
Bryan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
We started out with thermal foam (temper-foam?)in our seats, bottom and
back cushions. Dave and I both felt our seats hurt our backs on longer
trips, and came to the conclusion it was the lack of lumbar support. On
the longer trips, the temper-foam 'relaxed' from our body heat and
eventually stopped providing the needed lumbar support. We replaced the
back cushion temper-foam with regular foam and the problem was cured.
We still have temper-foam in the seat bottoms, which is a good idea for
crash protection. The only down side is that you slowly sink into the
seat over time, as your body warms the temper-foam. We added an inch of
regular foam on top to try insulating the temper-foam a little from our
body heat (and to soften the seat bottom just a bit).
Regards,
Terry Seaver
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seating
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Sven
I built my seat cushions with thermal foam. It molds to your body when
warmed. I can sit in my plane for hours. I got mine at Aircraft Spruce.
I just took a quick look in the catalog, It is in "seat foam" page 37.
It is make up of there layers, one inch each. Pink, green, and blue.
There levels of fermness. I don't think there is any thing better. Take
a look.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Wendy Jenks <godsbreath75@yahoo.com>
dear terry i think all of this is very interesting. i wish i could get off this
list. that would be nice.i don't really like getting these emails why am i
even on this list do you realize i am getting around 300 emails a day from all
of you.
"Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com> wrote:--> Europa-List message posted
by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)"
We started out with thermal foam (temper-foam?)in our seats, bottom and
back cushions. Dave and I both felt our seats hurt our backs on longer
trips, and came to the conclusion it was the lack of lumbar support. On
the longer trips, the temper-foam 'relaxed' from our body heat and
eventually stopped providing the needed lumbar support. We replaced the
back cushion temper-foam with regular foam and the problem was cured.
We still have temper-foam in the seat bottoms, which is a good idea for
crash protection. The only down side is that you slowly sink into the
seat over time, as your body warms the temper-foam. We added an inch of
regular foam on top to try insulating the temper-foam a little from our
body heat (and to soften the seat bottom just a bit).
Regards,
Terry Seaver
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seating
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
Sven
I built my seat cushions with thermal foam. It molds to your body when
warmed. I can sit in my plane for hours. I got mine at Aircraft Spruce.
I just took a quick look in the catalog, It is in "seat foam" page 37.
It is make up of there layers, one inch each. Pink, green, and blue.
There levels of fermness. I don't think there is any thing better. Take
a look.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
Blessings,
Wendy
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru as alterantive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER":
>
> Hey Fred!
> Yeah, seems high to me as well, but I'm getting an
honest 172-175 mph
> GPS at 7500 ft with my 125 hp rated EA81
That's more reasonable within the math at that altitude,
Glenn. Dr. Sighard Hoerner is again motionless in his
grave! ;-)
> and I do not have the slick underbody fairings
> as on Alex's plane. When your'e trying to go fast,
> the aero mods can help more than more hp. Like
> this guy who went 214 mph on 65 hp!
>
> http://www.ar-5.com/sportav93.html
> The Arnold AR-5
A number of aerodynamic mods individually may have to add
up, before meaningful things start to happen. The main
thing Arnold arguably did was achieve laminar flow back to a
phenomenal 70% of chord, and claims to have proven so by the
usual methods. Hoerner, in the days before fiberglass, said
55% was pretty good construction methods. Also mimimal
cooling drag. He also had a really small prop with a really
big bite in pitch -- not a very practical airplane, but some
say a Cessna 150 ain't either!
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Either, but not Netherthorpe please. It is only a 7 mile flight for me.
Cheers Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> Brian et al
>
> How is Friday looking for a DOTH?
>
> Possible venues for me, Fishburn, Sherburn, (free in Flyer)
> Or Netherthorpe (freebie in Pilot)
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Anyone thinking of doing a Doth this week. or did the Isle of Man
> satisfy everyones cravings?
>
> Cheers Bryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru as alterantive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Hey again Fred!
I keep reading that cooling drag can be as much as 35% of the entire
drag of the aircraft.
That could be a big factor on Alex's plane as the hot air coming off the rad
is exiting in a very
clean area - the sides of the cowling. This supposedly is the most
efficient exit location, especially
if the exhaust air is accelerated back to the freestream velocity with a
converging duct right
before it exits. This way minimal drag is created by the cooling system.
I have a diverging bell shaped inlet duct about 15" long that slows and
pressurizes the incoming air before the rad and also a converging duct after
the rad to accelerate the hot air back to free stream
velocity. Unfortunately, this duct exits underneath right in front of the
monowheel in a very
dirty area and probably is not helping. I may try to redesign my exit duct
to go out the sides
of the cowling, or possibly duct the exit air underneath and on past the
monowheel before it
exits.
Glenn
>From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru as alterantive
>Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:33:22 -0400
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER":
> >
> > Hey Fred!
> > Yeah, seems high to me as well, but I'm getting an
>honest 172-175 mph
> > GPS at 7500 ft with my 125 hp rated EA81
>
>That's more reasonable within the math at that altitude,
>Glenn. Dr. Sighard Hoerner is again motionless in his
>grave! ;-)
>
> > and I do not have the slick underbody fairings
> > as on Alex's plane. When your'e trying to go fast,
> > the aero mods can help more than more hp. Like
> > this guy who went 214 mph on 65 hp!
> >
> > http://www.ar-5.com/sportav93.html
> > The Arnold AR-5
>
>A number of aerodynamic mods individually may have to add
>up, before meaningful things start to happen. The main
>thing Arnold arguably did was achieve laminar flow back to a
>phenomenal 70% of chord, and claims to have proven so by the
>usual methods. Hoerner, in the days before fiberglass, said
>55% was pretty good construction methods. Also mimimal
>cooling drag. He also had a really small prop with a really
>big bite in pitch -- not a very practical airplane, but some
>say a Cessna 150 ain't either!
>
>Reg,
>Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio reception problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop":
> ...
> A last thought. Is it possible that whilst breaking and
remaking my connectors for the tests I had done somthing
good?
A Murphy's Law variant says it's much more likely some other
Murphy's Law is the cuplprit. However, if a carefully
refabricated BNC connector changed things from an
amateur-fabricated first-try, then God surely did make
little green apples. :-)
> All of this effort had involved me in two days of work,
but I had learned a lot.
I'm glad to hear you're not too worse for the wear. Flying
experimentation is never a waste. And I do have an aircraft
antenna engineer friend who will absolutely certify all you
reported....in hindsight after having tried it!
> Going back to the Di-pole...
Actually if you want to cure all ills, mount a whip on the
top of the fuselage, ground plane on the inside skin..
Guaranteed "little green apples." Like the Liberty XL, the
type-certificated Europa, with external antennas.
Rather than the technicalities of that, and cute/true story
nevertheless, a friend and I were engaged in lengthy and
serious (!) discussions at the field the other day. On his
dinky, rubber-duck handheld, we hear a guy calling himself,
"Experimental [N-reg #], doing touch-and-goes at a field 20
miles away. "Slams and scrams" we call 'em. So we hear him
on ATC motoring toward our field for more landings, and
nearing the runway in the flare, my friend says hey, that's
a Europa. No, I think it's a Liberty, but not sure. A
what? I explain.
Then on climbout, he says that's sure no Rotax. Well,
because it may be a Liberty. Would have FADEC, too. Get
outta here! So, on downwind, my friend says, he's kind of
really zipping along. There's no big tailwind up there;
show-off guys in Mooneys at times do that. Well, because
it's a Europa in either case. So, he says I'm going to ask
him, after the guy turned final.
I said, maybe you should wait until he's on climbout.
Baloney, he can do final in that plane [prior observation in
landing manners] and talk to me at the same time. The pilot
said she was a Liberty XL2. I went to the car and retrieved
my pocket PC with the FAA database. She was apparently
registered to the Liberty company, and "Experimental" must
have been certification in either the research or
compliance-with-Regs experimental categories, the correct
way for ATC communications here, as with homebuilts too,
though few with a plane like a Europa do that. Well, I
could not see any external comm antenna at that distance as
real proof!
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
OK lets say Fishburn then. I don't think their caf is open weekdays so
bring some butties. I'll confirm in the morning after looking at the
weather.
Richard.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
Either, but not Netherthorpe please. It is only a 7 mile flight for me.
Cheers Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> Brian et al
>
> How is Friday looking for a DOTH?
>
> Possible venues for me, Fishburn, Sherburn, (free in Flyer)
> Or Netherthorpe (freebie in Pilot)
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Anyone thinking of doing a Doth this week. or did the Isle of Man
> satisfy everyones cravings?
>
> Cheers Bryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | What type of foam used for stabilators? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I need to reintroduce foam in stabilators after repairing the bonding of the inner
and
outer bushing. Since I have accelerated parts, have no scrap foam at all.
What type of foam is used for the stabilator in the XS?
I have a sample of Aircraft Spruce Styrofoam small cell, closed cell, 2 pounds
per cubic
foot, not the right stuff too spongy.
I have a sample of Wick supply Polystyrene large cell expanded foam, 1.6 pounds
per cubic
foot, I think this is closer, but still perhaps not as dense or as strong as stabilator
but may be OK??
I see Aircraft Spruce sells Polystyrene large cell expanded foam, 2 pounds per
cubic
foot. Think this would be an acceptable foam to use?
Any other source of foam in the states if none of the above is correct?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Be wary of making the backrest cushion too thick unless you are short. I
am 5ft 9in tall and found that reducing the backrest foam from about 4
inches to about 2 inches improved legroom in what is quite a small
cockpit. To take care of the change in slope of the lower backrest
bulkhead I used a piece of scrap blue Styrofoam cut to a wedge shape
with a cut out around the wing pins and laid up 2 plies of 'bid' on each
face to protect it. Velcro was used to mount the wedges in position to
make them easily removable. This solution makes the construction of the
backrest cushion easier and saves weight.
Nigel Charles
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-
>>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul atkinson
>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 09:51
>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Europa-List: seats
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson"
>><paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
>>
>>Sven
>>
>>I copied the shape of my seat back from a peugeot 205 which I had
always
>>found comfortable after several hours. I shaped a block of foam to
match
>>it and then laid up 2 plies of bid onto it. I added some foam and
glass
>>stiffeners to the back of the layup to preserve its shape and then got
it
>>upholstered. The end result is very comfortable. It was rather labour
>>intensive but worth the effort. Temperfoam is definately a good idea
for
>>the base not only for comfort, but for its energy absorbtion, which
might
>>save your spine after a heavy impact.
>>If you would like more details contact me off list.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>Time: 02:52:02 PM PST US
>>From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>>Subject: Europa-List: Seating
>>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
>><svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>>
>>Dear Europaphiles,
>>
>>A problem with seating occurs to me.
>>After an hour or so my back feels like broken.
>>Current cushions are filled with ordinary polyetherfoam types of 5/6
cm
>>thicknes.
>>
>>Any designs and/or material tips/vendors available to help me out ?
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Sven den Boer
>>The Netherlands
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Bryan & DOTHatters
7:45 a.m. Friday. Weather is crap west of the pennines so I shall be
staying at home today unless it brightens considerably in the next hour.
Tomorrow looks equally poor.
Anything happening on Sunday?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Do not archive
Either, but not Netherthorpe please. It is only a 7 mile flight for me.
Cheers Bryan
>
> Brian et al
>
> How is Friday looking for a DOTH?
>
> Possible venues for me, Fishburn, Sherburn, (free in Flyer)
> Or Netherthorpe (freebie in Pilot)
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