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1. 01:05 AM - Re: Re: DOTH? (Bryan Allsop)
2. 06:51 AM - Re: locator beacon (Fergus Kyle)
3. 11:21 AM - Re: locator beacon (Duncan McFadyean)
4. 11:27 AM - Re: locator beacon (Duncan McFadyean)
5. 12:45 PM - Re: locator beacon (Richard Iddon)
6. 01:02 PM - Re: locator beacon (Mike Parkin)
7. 02:36 PM - Fw: Guernsey Air Rally 9-11th September 2005 (Rowland Carson)
8. 04:49 PM - Re: locator beacon (Lance Sandford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Popham DOTH. I am on my way. Bryan. Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: DOTH?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
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> Yes Brian, Weather permitting.
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> Richard.
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
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> Does that mean that you are going Richard?
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> Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: locator beacon |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: locator beacon
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
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| David,
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| Thanks for the info. I have done some more research and come to the
| conclusion that a 406Mhz PLB is a good idea as this can be picked up by
| satellites. McMurdo do a compact model called the Fastfind which
| combines 406Mhz with a 121.5 transmitter to aid with search & rescue.
| Again aimed at sailors but can also be used by aviators. The RRP of
| these is somewhere over 400 but Mailspeed Marine (mail order
| chandelers) are selling them at 299 at present. Seems a bit expensive
| but I guess it wouldn't seem so bad if one was floating round in the
| middle of the English channel waiting for someone to find you. I think I
| shall bite the bullet and buy one of these.
|
| Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
| <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
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| Richard, I got a 121.5 locator to hang round the neck, water activated
| or
| hand switched from a Sailing store in Pwllheli for around 50. I don't
| think
| they have them any longer so no point in going there but it might be
| worth
| looking in any ship's chandlers in your area, as mariners are probably a
| lot
| more likely to end up in the sea than we are! Regards. David
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| > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
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| > A little off topic but I am thinking of investing in an Emergency
| > Locator transmitter (ELT) or personal locator beacon (PLB) Any advice
| or
| > experience?
| >
| > Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Richard et al,
Regarding the 406MHz beacon, the givvermint here is planning a
replacement of the 121.5 model with this, to the fury of most aviators in
the lightplane field because of cost - usually 'bumped' by having giv't
stick its finger in.
Our EAA chapter had a transport boffin in to discuss at the
Hamilton museum, wherein he showed the average delay in reception and
reaction on 121.5 US or Russki satellites orbitting to be about 30-90
minutes. He then activated the 406 and we got a tel call from SaR HQ at
Trenton about 150 mi. east within three minutes. They put the call on the
loudspeaker and we were pretty well impressed. They could have had a
helicopter or C-130 enroute with jumpers within 10-15 minutes, knew 'our'
personal details and exact position.
Several years grace, but the time frame will surely drop the cost
from thousands to hundreds and difference should make it most attractive.
It's too late paying for one while thrashing in the Channel even if you do
remember your credit card number. Cheers, Ferg
| > Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: locator beacon |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Richard,
See:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: locator beacon
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: locator beacon
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> Richard et al,
> Regarding the 406MHz beacon, the givvermint here is planning a
> replacement of the 121.5 model with this, to the fury of most aviators in
> the lightplane field because of cost - usually 'bumped' by having giv't
> stick its finger in.
> Our EAA chapter had a transport boffin in to discuss at the
> Hamilton museum, wherein he showed the average delay in reception and
> reaction on 121.5 US or Russki satellites orbitting to be about 30-90
> minutes. He then activated the 406 and we got a tel call from SaR HQ at
> Trenton about 150 mi. east within three minutes. They put the call on the
> loudspeaker and we were pretty well impressed. They could have had a
> helicopter or C-130 enroute with jumpers within 10-15 minutes, knew 'our'
> personal details and exact position.
> Several years grace, but the time frame will surely drop the cost
> from thousands to hundreds and difference should make it most attractive.
> It's too late paying for one while thrashing in the Channel even if you do
> remember your credit card number. Cheers, Ferg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: locator beacon |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Richard,
See:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/224/srg_gad_Appendix%208b%20revised.pdf
and in particular half way down page 5; 121.5 gets switched off in 3 years!
Not that it's very accurate anyway; a helicopter would get to within 2
miles, then spend half an hour finding you in that circle.
You'd need to check that the marine versions are compatible with the
specific requirements of the (UK) aeronautical types.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: locator beacon
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: locator beacon
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> Richard et al,
> Regarding the 406MHz beacon, the givvermint here is planning a
> replacement of the 121.5 model with this, to the fury of most aviators in
> the lightplane field because of cost - usually 'bumped' by having giv't
> stick its finger in.
> Our EAA chapter had a transport boffin in to discuss at the
> Hamilton museum, wherein he showed the average delay in reception and
> reaction on 121.5 US or Russki satellites orbitting to be about 30-90
> minutes. He then activated the 406 and we got a tel call from SaR HQ at
> Trenton about 150 mi. east within three minutes. They put the call on the
> loudspeaker and we were pretty well impressed. They could have had a
> helicopter or C-130 enroute with jumpers within 10-15 minutes, knew 'our'
> personal details and exact position.
> Several years grace, but the time frame will surely drop the cost
> from thousands to hundreds and difference should make it most attractive.
> It's too late paying for one while thrashing in the Channel even if you do
> remember your credit card number. Cheers, Ferg
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Thanks Duncan, an interesting document. McMurdo put out some info on
their web site at
http://www.mcmurdo.co.uk/?Menu=79&Page=/Contents/ListNews.asp&ID=259
I will, however, phone the Aeronautical rescue mission control centre in
Kinloss and check if the marine types are acceptable and post my
findings.
Richard.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Richard,
See:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/224/srg_gad_Appendix%208b%20revised.pdf
and in particular half way down page 5; 121.5 gets switched off in 3
years!
Not that it's very accurate anyway; a helicopter would get to within 2
miles, then spend half an hour finding you in that circle.
You'd need to check that the marine versions are compatible with the
specific requirements of the (UK) aeronautical types.
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Re: locator beacon |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Richard,
I found this page - <http://www.seathree.demon.co.uk/plb/plb-3.html> which
may be of interest.
The pertinent part is the following extract I think.
UK. 406 PLBs are legal in the UK - but only for maritime use. The PLB must
be covered by a ship's radio licence (so you need to have a boat), and must
be registered with HMCG. It's illegal to use a PLB on land. PLBs have to be
approved in accordance with the EU R&TTE directive, and must meet the UK
Radio Interface Requirement. Until recently there was no single EU technical
standard for PLBs (ETSI 302 152 - issued, but currently not harmonized). The
UK currently has no single-authority SAR system for emergencies on land.
There's always a government department somewhere that wants to rain on your
parade!!!
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: locator beacon
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| Subject: | Fwd: Guernsey Air Rally 9-11th September 2005 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Forwarded FYI:
>Envelope-to: europaclub@rowil.clara.net
>From: "Guernsey Aeroclub" <manager@guernseyaeroclub.com>
>Subject: Guernsey Air Rally 9-11th September 2005
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:59:44 +0100
>
>Calling all active private pilots! Only one month to go until the
><http://www.guernseyaeroclub.com/rally/index.htm>Guernsey Air Rally
>9th to 11th September.
>For anyone who has never been before this is much more than a simple fly-in..
>There is an optional navigation competition starting in Cherbourg on
>Friday 9th September
>Or fly in direct to Guernsey for a 'vin d'honneur' reception and
>then the highlight is the great Rally Ball in the club hangar with
>gourmet food and live music. There are many trophies and prizes
>including 'Concours d'elegance' and longest distance. Other
>activities are a pre-flight defects competition organised by our
>main sponsor <http://www.flyasg.co.uk/>Aircraft Servicing Guernsey,
>a treasure hunt around Guernsey and a 'boules' competition.
>
> Please visit our web site
><http://www.guernseyaeroclub.com/rally>www.guernseyaeroclub.com/rally
>or <http://www.guernsey-air-rally.org>www.guernsey-air-rally.org for
>more details
>You can enter on-line or submit an enquiry for more details by post,
>or reply to this email.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson (retiring) Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Lance Sandford" <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Try http://www.cospas-sarsat.org/
for info.
Lance Sandford in OZ
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