---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/17/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: NACA vent in Fin (EuropaForum) 2. 07:32 AM - Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon fluid - (gleinberger) 3. 09:04 AM - Re: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon (Richard Holder) 4. 09:46 AM - new owner; floundering a bit (kevin siggery) 5. 10:11 AM - Re: Advanced Aircraft Antenna Vs Bob Archer. (John & Paddy Wigney) 6. 12:17 PM - Re: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon fluid - (Jac van Heeswijk) 7. 02:10 PM - Re: new owner; floundering a bit (josok) 8. 03:10 PM - Re: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon (N55XS) 9. 03:21 PM - Re: NACA vent in Fin (N55XS) 10. 03:51 PM - Silicone brake fluid. (NevEyre@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:49 AM PST US From: EuropaForum Subject: Re: Europa-List: NACA vent in Fin --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum Some photos of vents are at: http://www.europaowners.org/RoofVents Steved ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon fluid - From: "gleinberger" 1.64 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty 0.10 TO_EMPTY To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "gleinberger" I would like to use an Andair FS20X2 gas valve with a 914 Rotex - do I need the valve version with the return lines? It appears you do not need a valve on the return line - just a straight shot to the reserve tank. On the Jamarperformance brake cylinders (the one supplied by the factory for the finger brakes) do I need two brake reservoirs? Brake fluid - where do I get silicon brake fluid? I assume this is the way to go with the Jamar/Matco parking brake/factory trigear brakes. Any ideas on the type of brake lines to use? Are race car quality worth the extra expense? Thanks for any help Gary Leinberger A237 Motorglider with 914 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:42 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon fluid - --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > I would like to use an Andair FS20X2 gas valve with a > 914 Rotex - do I need the valve version with the return > lines? It appears you do not need a valve on the > return line - just a straight shot to the reserve tank. > Dunno > > On the Jamarperformance brake cylinders (the one > supplied by the factory for the finger brakes) do I > need two brake reservoirs? NO - there is only one connector for a reservoir and it goes into both master cylinder bores > > Brake fluid - where do I get silicon brake fluid? I > assume this is the way to go with the Jamar/Matco > parking brake/factory trigear brakes. Any ideas on the > type of brake lines to use? Are race car quality worth > the extra expense? It is - in theory ! DOT 5.0. Not DOT 5.1 or 4.0 or 3.0. > > Thanks for any help > > Gary Leinberger A237 Motorglider with 914 Richard ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:04 AM PST US From: kevin siggery Subject: Europa-List: new owner; floundering a bit --> Europa-List message posted by: kevin siggery I have recently bought a share in G-ROOV. Time considerations stopped me building but of course I pay for this in lacking knowledge of this great aeroplane. so a few questions to which answers would be very gratefully received. 1 we have a 914 engine. This uses two electrical pumps in parallel. this to me does not seem the happiest arrangement and I am not clear on issues such as routine maintenance and replacement (one or both will fail one day), use of the pumps (leave them both on, activate both for landings and T/O only?). Is this installation optimised for safety or have we moved on? 2 on the subject of fuel, we have a capacitance gauge fitted. Shall we say, I trust it less than I would a gauge in a Piper and that is really saying something. So at the moment I fill the aircraft full and count down the time with a huge safety margin. I still hate to see a gauge reading 25% full when I know it is actually topped up. How to get this gauge working or are we better off using a sight glass? 3 Now on the subject of instruments: there is a problem with the altimeter (intermittent) in that it oscillates through about 200 feet. OK, not the end of the world but irritating. this smacks of a damping issue, any ideas? 4 still on instruments, the AI is temperamental. Most of the time it is fine but occasionally indicates climb in S&L flight and sometimes bank in S&L. Well, do I just open up and take a look? I know these things are pretty sensitive and my first thought is that this is specialist bench work. we have a similar issue when setting the DI through North (only) ...should I 'dive in' or get a specialist involved immediately? 5 Finally a flyng issue. I realise the aircraft is very sensitive in pitch. however, I find that trimming never quite takes all the pressure off the stick. Consequently I sometimes try adjusting power a little just get to the trim perfect. Otherwise I am either just too nose down or just too nose up. It is a small point and I can live with it but just wondered if experienced Europa pilots had any comments. 6 Finally finally, having not built the plane i would like to know if there are any courses or reading material to help people new to PFA and Europa flying in particular. It is knowledge of the mechanical and electrical aspects I really need. thanks in anticipation Kevin Siggery ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:38 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re: Advanced Aircraft Antenna Vs Bob Archer. --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <<<< From: EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM Subject: Europa-List: Advanced Aircraft Antenna Vs Bob Archer. Hello Group: I'm looking for recommendations on the COM, NAV and Transponder antenna's made by Advanced Aircraft compared to Bob Archer designs when used in a composite aircraft. Anyone with real life experience or opinion? Thanks in advance. Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear >>>>> Hi Brian, I have used Bob Archer antennas and RST Engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) copper tape antennas with good success. All of these antennas work well. COM 1 = Bob Archer #6 in fin NAV = Bob Archer # 7 in port wing lower surface ahead of aileron Transponder = Bob Archer # 5 aft of baggage bulkhead at mid height on starboard side Glide slope and Marker beacon antennas = RST copper tape mounted on the rear fuselage floor ELT antenna = RST copper tape aft of baggage bulkhead at mid height on port side. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina 704-664-4167 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:23 PM PST US From: "Jac van Heeswijk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon fluid - --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk" ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleinberger" Subject: Europa-List: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon fluid - > --> Europa-List message posted by: "gleinberger" > > I would like to use an Andair FS20X2 gas valve with a 914 Rotex - do I need the valve version with the return lines? It appears you do not need a valve on the return line - just a straight shot to the reserve tank. I'm not sure since I have a 912S engine. Anyway with the 912S a return line is NOT used from the gascolator. It runs directly from the carbs back to the tank, with a restrictor in it. > > On the Jamarperformance brake cylinders (the one supplied by the factory for the finger brakes) do I need two brake reservoirs? There is just one connection for the reservoir (the middle one). > > Brake fluid - where do I get silicon brake fluid? I assume this is the way to go with the Jamar/Matco parking brake/factory trigear brakes. Any ideas on the type of brake lines to use? Are race car quality worth the extra expense? Be careful, use only DOT 5 and NOT NOT NOT DOT 5.1 This is very confusing. Here in the Netherlands it was a hard job to get two small bottles of it, but I finally succeeded at a Harley Davidson supply company. > > Thanks for any help Very Welcome! > > Gary Leinberger > A237 Motorglider with 914 > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:32 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: new owner; floundering a bit From: "josok" 1.64 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty 0.10 TO_EMPTY To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" Hi Kevin, You will find a lot of information underthe technical tab of the factory website at http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk Even if it would be an overshoot, you will be informed of all (safety) mods and other issues. There is an update on the pumps on the 914, nowadays they are put in series with check valves. The second pump should be on at start and landing only. That is in the manual, and a copy of that should be on board. A capacitance gauge is quite reliable, but not if the tank contains some water, or if it is calibrated for mogas and you are using 100LL or mixtures of the both. How to calibrate depends on the make and model, i would expect those instructions to be somewhere in the plane's documentation. If it's only the altimeter oscillating and the VSI is constant, i would replace the instrument. Otherwise check the static and it's connections. For the AI, i would kill the thing before it kills me. I guess repair for such a device is a: expensive b: unreliable. Do it yourself here is probably not very advisable either. Aren't these instruments certified and checked with annuals? Trim, no idea, or maybe it's the issue of a too fast reacting trim motor. Matronics has a governor, costs about 80$ that could be usefull, i have ordered one, but am still years from flying, i will report about it later ok? Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:02 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel valve, Jamarperformance brake cylinder, silicon fluid - --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS >>Brake fluid - where do I get silicon brake fluid? I >>assume this is the way to go with the Jamar/Matco >>parking brake/factory trigear brakes. Any ideas on the >>type of brake lines to use? Are race car quality worth >>the extra expense? >> >> The DOT 5.0 is available at your local Auto Zone at $7.99 a bottle. Takes less than a bottle to fill the system. The expense was a non-issue for me. I've been using the nylon lines from ACS. No problems at all. I do suggest you get the all metal ferrel nuts to anchor them, though. No leaky... -- Jeff N55XS - Less than 9 hours left to fly off for the FAA... -- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:31 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: NACA vent in Fin --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Mike, There are some indepth pics of my installation at my build site. http://www.n55xs.com - go to the June 2004 entries. The vent is one of the larger ones that ACS has in their catalog. The placement is behind the vertical bulkhead, 7" on center above the stabilator top. The pics also show how I built the duct system from fiberglass and bonded it to the inner fuse. I've got 35 hours on "Baby Blue" and the vents work very well... -- Jeff N55XS - 5 more hours to go for FAA flyoff... -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:14 PM PST US From: NevEyre@AOL.COM Subject: Europa-List: Silicone brake fluid. --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi All, Dot 5 fluid is the way to go, but don't get it anywhere near your plane until you have finnished the painting. I just finnished a Europa for a customer, the brake system had already been filled, and bled with Dot 5, during that process, some fluid had got onto the fuselage lower surface...... you should have heard the expleteves bouncing around the workshop, when that came to light, during application of the Barrier coat...... it took three of us two days to get the fluid off with various special cleaning agents... +cellulose thinners... +scouring powder... and lots of elbow grease / blisters / running eyes... just a warning, guys. Cheers, Nev.