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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Rotax 914 question? (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 07:19 AM - 914 Question (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden)
3. 09:09 AM - Re: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall (John & Paddy Wigney)
4. 12:23 PM - Re: Rotax 914 question? (Duncan McFadyean)
5. 01:55 PM - Panshanger DOTH (Bryan Allsop)
6. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall (William Daniell)
7. 04:33 PM - Re: 914 Question (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
8. 07:02 PM - Re: 914 Question (Cliff Shaw)
9. 07:09 PM - US registration (Craig Ellison)
10. 07:21 PM - Re: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall (Cliff Shaw)
11. 07:39 PM - Re: US registration ()
12. 08:18 PM - A bit off topic, what happened? ()
13. 09:02 PM - Re: 914 Question (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
14. 09:08 PM - Re: US registration (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 question? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Hello Jim,
Could you enlarge on what you mean by "keeping an eye on the gearbox"
please.
Regards
Kingsley in Oz.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
> When you have 1,000 plus hours on a 912/914 come back and let us
> know how you're doing. Keep an eye on the gearbox too.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
I found this message to be of interest. My biggest concern with more than 30 hours
endurance is that more than my wings would be wet. I am putting a 914 in my
bird when the time comes, but have not seen a manual. I don't know what Rotax
recommends, but I plan to use Mobil 1 or Amsoil synthetics in mine, mainly for
the sake of the turbo.
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA
standing here with wires in my hands and fear in my heart
"My engine ( a plain old 912) has 720 hrs on it now and at last check showed virtually
no sign of use. I also run it at 4ooo rpm for economy cruise. I see less
than 10 liters per hour of fuel flow (in cold air). I could not think of any
reason why the engine would wear prematurely if run at such speeds (or does
idle kill engines ?). Every millimeter the throttle can be pulled back will improve
fuel flow. Only a tick more and she uses 14 liters with only a 2 knot gain
in speed.
I am looking forward to building those glider wings and partially wet them. With
onboard fuel (and only a slight disregard of gross weight) the endurance could
be pushed to over 30 hours. Where would you rather be than in the air ?"
happy skies,
<Thomas, N81EU>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<<<<
From: "ctsmallwood"
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall
Hi All Occasional slight SMELL of fuel. ALL connections fully checked. On both
sides of fire wall(with developer).Fire Wall sealed prior to engine fit, and
again after engine/ flights.All Ally fittings aft. firewall Only place I believe
it may be originating from is the Air Box. 2 small holes under each connection
to the Carbs(in Airbox). and entering cockpit thro throttle and brake slots
via tunnel Any help greatly appreciated Regards Colin Smallwood
>>>>>>>>>
Hi Colin,
These comments are really directed at others who may have this problem since I believe that you may have already used a leak detector (developer?). I installed the factory supplied fuel hose as per the standard kit instructions. After the first 100 hours I had an annoying intermittent fuel smell. I carefully inspected and checked all connections without finding anything. The problem seemed to get worse and I was still unable to find anything. I then procured some fluorescent leak detector additive. (Mine was Dye-Lite, see http://www.tracerline.com/ )
Anyway, before I had chance to try the detector, the leak developed into a drip.
At the main tank outlet, the hose had a crack under the hose clamp. I replaced
the length of hose.
My conclusions were :-
If I had to do it again, I would use aluminium tubing with AN flare fittings for
all fuselage fuel lines as I believe you have done. Ahead of the firewall, I
would probably use braided hose with swaged-on threaded hose fittings.
The factory supplied fuel hose with my kit has fabric braid on the outside only.
If there is a small leak, the fuel slowly wicks into the braid, evaporates and
is invisible. I believe that braid reinforcement in the wall of the hose is
much more preferable and will minimise hose cracking. If you choose to use a
fluorescent leak detector dye, it is important to get a good quality UV lamp or
you will have inadequate illumination.
Finally regarding the airbox, I notice that there is quite heavy staining inside
my airbox stub tubes from 100LL fuel dye. I usually fill with 100LL so I assume
there is quite a lot of neat fuel in there at some time. Am not sure how that
happens. An option for you might be to put small drain tubes onto these drain
holes and lead them to behind the wheel well.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S, 430 hrs
Mooresville, North Carolina
704-664-4167
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 question? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<<you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings eventually>>
Not disputed. This is a problem on the Katanas too; only they are generally
not run at low speeds, because of there frequent use as training machines.
But I've not experienced that for the short durations that I've used 100LL
and would have expected that to have occurred logically at any engine speed;
more so at higher power settings when there is more lead going into the
engine.
In fact logic is my guiding principle in the absence of proper evidence to
the contrary!
How's your 1000 hours at 5000rpm going? Will you make TBO? Katanas don't!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Don't know about your source but the person I trusted (as did many others
> including Rotax) to keep me informed about the Rotax engines always stated
> "the 912/914 series engine is happiest and will get the best longevity
> ABOVE
> 5,000 RPM in the cruise". He is now gone as of July of this year but his
> experience was trusted enough that Kodiak research and Rotax called him to
> assist in product development. Glen had forgotten more about Rotax
> engines
> than most of us could ever learn. He never steered me or anyone I know
> wrong, and I trusted his opinions and ideas about these engines with my
> life
> on more than one occasion.
> Oh, and you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings
> eventually. Or put up with the auto gas smell. Or have to add TCP all
> the
> time. When you have 1,000 plus hours on a 912/914 come back and let us
> know how you're doing. Keep an eye on the gearbox too.
>
> Jim T.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
> McFadyean
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> OK, I'll bite!
> I cruise at about 4,000rpm. And have done for over 200 hours of use,
> excepting climb-out at 4,800 and the odd spurt to see how fast it will go.
> The plugs are squeaky-clean. The piston crowns are quite clean. There is
> no
> loss of compression or performance that suggests that the piston rings are
> coked. The engine uses virtually no oil between changes and the oil
> discolouration is mid brown colour at 100 hours.
> Our local Rotax dealer commented flippantly that at these speeds the
> engine
> would 'last forever'!
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Just to confirm Wednesday's DOTH to Panshanger. Their radio is 120.25.
Weather is good too.
Cheers Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
There is another possible cause - as those who have had BMW bikes with Bing
carbs - they sometimes dump excess fuel if the float sticks. I have just
been looking at a friends 914 which has a sort of aluminium fuel catcher
arrangement underneath the carbs which is attached between the manifold and
the carb. This fuel catcher has a drain to the bottom of the cowling. I
assume that this was to drain fuel if the carbs should dump fuel - in other
words the same thing as the Beemers.
There was I seem to recall some corres about this earlier on in the year.
Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John & Paddy
Wigney
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
<johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<<<<
From: "ctsmallwood"
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall
Hi All Occasional slight SMELL of fuel. ALL connections fully checked. On
both sides of fire wall(with developer).Fire Wall sealed prior to engine
fit, and again after engine/ flights.All Ally fittings aft. firewall Only
place I believe it may be originating from is the Air Box. 2 small holes
under each connection to the Carbs(in Airbox). and entering cockpit thro
throttle and brake slots via tunnel Any help greatly appreciated Regards
Colin Smallwood
>>>>>>>>>
Hi Colin,
These comments are really directed at others who may have this problem since
I believe that you may have already used a leak detector (developer?). I
installed the factory supplied fuel hose as per the standard kit
instructions. After the first 100 hours I had an annoying intermittent fuel
smell. I carefully inspected and checked all connections without finding
anything. The problem seemed to get worse and I was still unable to find
anything. I then procured some fluorescent leak detector additive. (Mine was
Dye-Lite, see http://www.tracerline.com/ )
Anyway, before I had chance to try the detector, the leak developed into a
drip. At the main tank outlet, the hose had a crack under the hose clamp. I
replaced the length of hose.
My conclusions were :-
If I had to do it again, I would use aluminium tubing with AN flare fittings
for all fuselage fuel lines as I believe you have done. Ahead of the
firewall, I would probably use braided hose with swaged-on threaded hose
fittings.
The factory supplied fuel hose with my kit has fabric braid on the outside
only. If there is a small leak, the fuel slowly wicks into the braid,
evaporates and is invisible. I believe that braid reinforcement in the wall
of the hose is much more preferable and will minimise hose cracking. If you
choose to use a fluorescent leak detector dye, it is important to get a good
quality UV lamp or you will have inadequate illumination.
Finally regarding the airbox, I notice that there is quite heavy staining
inside my airbox stub tubes from 100LL fuel dye. I usually fill with 100LL
so I assume there is quite a lot of neat fuel in there at some time. Am not
sure how that happens. An option for you might be to put small drain tubes
onto these drain holes and lead them to behind the wheel well.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S, 430 hrs
Mooresville, North Carolina
704-664-4167
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
I forget where I saw the list of recomended oils to use in the 914. Is
full sythetic prefered if you burn mostly mogas?
Kevin
Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
>
>I found this message to be of interest. My biggest concern with more than 30 hours
endurance is that more than my wings would be wet. I am putting a 914 in
my bird when the time comes, but have not seen a manual. I don't know what Rotax
recommends, but I plan to use Mobil 1 or Amsoil synthetics in mine, mainly
for the sake of the turbo.
>
>Vaughn Teegarden
>N914VA
>standing here with wires in my hands and fear in my heart
>
>
>"My engine ( a plain old 912) has 720 hrs on it now and at last check showed virtually
no sign of use. I also run it at 4ooo rpm for economy cruise. I see less
than 10 liters per hour of fuel flow (in cold air). I could not think of any
reason why the engine would wear prematurely if run at such speeds (or does
idle kill engines ?). Every millimeter the throttle can be pulled back will improve
fuel flow. Only a tick more and she uses 14 liters with only a 2 knot gain
in speed.
>
>I am looking forward to building those glider wings and partially wet them. With
onboard fuel (and only a slight disregard of gross weight) the endurance could
be pushed to over 30 hours. Where would you rather be than in the air ?"
>
>happy skies,
>
><Thomas, N81EU>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
KEVIN
The Rotax SI-18-1997 R5 has the information you want. It came out last fall.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Question
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
I forget where I saw the list of recomended oils to use in the 914. Is
full sythetic prefered if you burn mostly mogas?
Kevin
Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
>
>I found this message to be of interest. My biggest concern with more than 30
hours endurance is that more than my wings would be wet. I am putting a 914 in
my bird when the time comes, but have not seen a manual. I don't know what Rotax
recommends, but I plan to use Mobil 1 or Amsoil synthetics in mine, mainly
for the sake of the turbo.
>
>Vaughn Teegarden
>N914VA
>standing here with wires in my hands and fear in my heart
>
>
>"My engine ( a plain old 912) has 720 hrs on it now and at last check showed
virtually no sign of use. I also run it at 4ooo rpm for economy cruise. I see
less than 10 liters per hour of fuel flow (in cold air). I could not think of
any reason why the engine would wear prematurely if run at such speeds (or does
idle kill engines ?). Every millimeter the throttle can be pulled back will
improve fuel flow. Only a tick more and she uses 14 liters with only a 2 knot
gain in speed.
>
>I am looking forward to building those glider wings and partially wet them.
With onboard fuel (and only a slight disregard of gross weight) the endurance
could be pushed to over 30 hours. Where would you rather be than in the air ?"
>
>happy skies,
>
><Thomas, N81EU>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
All US builders,
I'm at the point to start the registration process and looking over the
forms they want a Bill of Sale. I don't think I ever got one from the
former Europa when I purchased my kit. What have other builders used to
satisfy FAA on this point? Can I get one from the current Europa?
Thanks in advance for all responses.
Craig Ellison
A205
Silverton, OR
Flying surfaces done, FWF done,Fuselage in paint shop, finishing up panel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> <<you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings eventually>>
>
> Not disputed. This is a problem on the Katanas too; only they are
> generally
> not run at low speeds, because of there frequent use as training machines.
> But I've not experienced that for the short durations that I've used 100LL
> and would have expected that to have occurred logically at any engine
> speed;
> more so at higher power settings when there is more lead going into the
> engine.
>
> In fact logic is my guiding principle in the absence of proper evidence to
> the contrary!
>
> How's your 1000 hours at 5000rpm going? Will you make TBO? Katanas don't!
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
>> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Don't know about your source but the person I trusted (as did many others
>> including Rotax) to keep me informed about the Rotax engines always
>> stated
>> "the 912/914 series engine is happiest and will get the best longevity
>> ABOVE
>> 5,000 RPM in the cruise". He is now gone as of July of this year but his
>> experience was trusted enough that Kodiak research and Rotax called him
>> to
>> assist in product development. Glen had forgotten more about Rotax
>> engines
>> than most of us could ever learn. He never steered me or anyone I know
>> wrong, and I trusted his opinions and ideas about these engines with my
>> life
>> on more than one occasion.
>> Oh, and you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings
>> eventually. Or put up with the auto gas smell. Or have to add TCP all
>> the
>> time. When you have 1,000 plus hours on a 912/914 come back and let us
>> know how you're doing. Keep an eye on the gearbox too.
>>
>> Jim T.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
>> McFadyean
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> OK, I'll bite!
>> I cruise at about 4,000rpm. And have done for over 200 hours of use,
>> excepting climb-out at 4,800 and the odd spurt to see how fast it will
>> go.
>> The plugs are squeaky-clean. The piston crowns are quite clean. There is
>> no
>> loss of compression or performance that suggests that the piston rings
>> are
>> coked. The engine uses virtually no oil between changes and the oil
>> discolouration is mid brown colour at 100 hours.
>> Our local Rotax dealer commented flippantly that at these speeds the
>> engine
>> would 'last forever'!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel smell 912S XS front fire wall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Those still interested
I know lots has been said about this.
I have a 912S in my plane. The carburetors are inclined to overflow when the engine
overheats after shutdown or when the engine runs rough . The overflow is
vented to the airbox. """It must be vented to the airbox !!!!!"""
In a 914 the airbox is at bust pressure and so venting is not done, it just overflows
into the "catch trays/ heat shields".
The other thing I took notice of -- The RPM to run the Rotax at in cruse. There
is a misunderstanding here. Some people are thinking "fixed" props, and others
are using "Constant Speed" props. I always cruise with my prop set to "cruse"
This is automatic control of pitch to make the tach read 5000 RPM. If
I choose to reduce power to, say, 4 US gph, I still have 5000 RPM on the tach.
If I remember correctly I can get to about 3.5 US gph before the prop can not
keep the RPM up.
Now did that explain the differences??
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Craig
The same thing happened to me. Fortunately John Hurst was still in biz and
he sent me a bill of sale. I bet Andy in UK will do the same.
Tom Friedland, Atascadero, CA, N96V, A079, mono, jab, Airmaster. Almost
ready to go to the painter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ellison
Subject: Europa-List: US registration
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
--> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
All US builders,
I'm at the point to start the registration process and looking over the
forms they want a Bill of Sale. I don't think I ever got one from the
former Europa when I purchased my kit. What have other builders used to
satisfy FAA on this point? Can I get one from the current Europa?
Thanks in advance for all responses.
Craig Ellison
A205
Silverton, OR
Flying surfaces done, FWF done,Fuselage in paint shop, finishing up panel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> <<you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings
> eventually>>
>
> Not disputed. This is a problem on the Katanas too; only they are
> generally
> not run at low speeds, because of there frequent use as training machines.
> But I've not experienced that for the short durations that I've used 100LL
> and would have expected that to have occurred logically at any engine
> speed;
> more so at higher power settings when there is more lead going into the
> engine.
>
> In fact logic is my guiding principle in the absence of proper
> evidence to the contrary!
>
> How's your 1000 hours at 5000rpm going? Will you make TBO? Katanas
> don't!
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
>> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Don't know about your source but the person I trusted (as did many
>> others including Rotax) to keep me informed about the Rotax engines
>> always stated "the 912/914 series engine is happiest and will get the
>> best longevity ABOVE
>> 5,000 RPM in the cruise". He is now gone as of July of this year but his
>> experience was trusted enough that Kodiak research and Rotax called him
>> to
>> assist in product development. Glen had forgotten more about Rotax
>> engines
>> than most of us could ever learn. He never steered me or anyone I know
>> wrong, and I trusted his opinions and ideas about these engines with my
>> life
>> on more than one occasion.
>> Oh, and you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings
>> eventually. Or put up with the auto gas smell. Or have to add TCP all
>> the
>> time. When you have 1,000 plus hours on a 912/914 come back and let us
>> know how you're doing. Keep an eye on the gearbox too.
>>
>> Jim T.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
>> McFadyean
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>> --> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> OK, I'll bite!
>> I cruise at about 4,000rpm. And have done for over 200 hours of use,
>> excepting climb-out at 4,800 and the odd spurt to see how fast it
>> will go. The plugs are squeaky-clean. The piston crowns are quite
>> clean. There is no
>> loss of compression or performance that suggests that the piston rings
>> are
>> coked. The engine uses virtually no oil between changes and the oil
>> discolouration is mid brown colour at 100 hours.
>> Our local Rotax dealer commented flippantly that at these speeds the
>> engine
>> would 'last forever'!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | A bit off topic, what happened? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anybody have insite what happened here?
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/oldplanecrash.html
Looks like right side stopped developing thrust?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
Thanks Cliff, Just what I was lookin for
Kevin
donot archive
Cliff Shaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
>KEVIN
>
>The Rotax SI-18-1997 R5 has the information you want. It came out last fall.
>
>Cliff Shaw
>1041 Euclid ave.
>Edmonds, WA 98020
>425 776 5555
>http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Question
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
>
> I forget where I saw the list of recomended oils to use in the 914. Is
> full sythetic prefered if you burn mostly mogas?
>
> Kevin
>
> Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
> >
> >I found this message to be of interest. My biggest concern with more than 30
hours endurance is that more than my wings would be wet. I am putting a 914
in my bird when the time comes, but have not seen a manual. I don't know what
Rotax recommends, but I plan to use Mobil 1 or Amsoil synthetics in mine, mainly
for the sake of the turbo.
> >
> >Vaughn Teegarden
> >N914VA
> >standing here with wires in my hands and fear in my heart
> >
> >
> >"My engine ( a plain old 912) has 720 hrs on it now and at last check showed
virtually no sign of use. I also run it at 4ooo rpm for economy cruise. I see
less than 10 liters per hour of fuel flow (in cold air). I could not think of
any reason why the engine would wear prematurely if run at such speeds (or does
idle kill engines ?). Every millimeter the throttle can be pulled back will
improve fuel flow. Only a tick more and she uses 14 liters with only a 2 knot
gain in speed.
> >
> >I am looking forward to building those glider wings and partially wet them.
With onboard fuel (and only a slight disregard of gross weight) the endurance
could be pushed to over 30 hours. Where would you rather be than in the air ?"
> >
> >happy skies,
> >
> ><Thomas, N81EU>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: US registration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
I got mine from Europa FL back in the day. Ask Andy, you may have to
send him the form to sign, AC form 8050-2
Kevin, N211KA
Craig Ellison wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
>All US builders,
>
>I'm at the point to start the registration process and looking over the
>forms they want a Bill of Sale. I don't think I ever got one from the
>former Europa when I purchased my kit. What have other builders used to
>satisfy FAA on this point? Can I get one from the current Europa?
>
>Thanks in advance for all responses.
>
>Craig Ellison
>A205
>Silverton, OR
>Flying surfaces done, FWF done,Fuselage in paint shop, finishing up panel
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>><<you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings eventually>>
>>
>>Not disputed. This is a problem on the Katanas too; only they are
>>generally
>>not run at low speeds, because of there frequent use as training machines.
>>But I've not experienced that for the short durations that I've used 100LL
>>and would have expected that to have occurred logically at any engine
>>speed;
>>more so at higher power settings when there is more lead going into the
>>engine.
>>
>>In fact logic is my guiding principle in the absence of proper evidence to
>>the contrary!
>>
>>How's your 1000 hours at 5000rpm going? Will you make TBO? Katanas don't!
>>
>>Duncan McF.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
>>><jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>>>
>>>Don't know about your source but the person I trusted (as did many others
>>>including Rotax) to keep me informed about the Rotax engines always
>>>stated
>>>"the 912/914 series engine is happiest and will get the best longevity
>>>ABOVE
>>>5,000 RPM in the cruise". He is now gone as of July of this year but his
>>>experience was trusted enough that Kodiak research and Rotax called him
>>>to
>>>assist in product development. Glen had forgotten more about Rotax
>>>engines
>>>than most of us could ever learn. He never steered me or anyone I know
>>>wrong, and I trusted his opinions and ideas about these engines with my
>>>life
>>>on more than one occasion.
>>>Oh, and you WILL foul plugs on 100 LL and reduced power settings
>>>eventually. Or put up with the auto gas smell. Or have to add TCP all
>>>the
>>>time. When you have 1,000 plus hours on a 912/914 come back and let us
>>>know how you're doing. Keep an eye on the gearbox too.
>>>
>>> Jim T.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
>>>McFadyean
>>>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 question?
>>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
>>>--> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>
>>>OK, I'll bite!
>>>I cruise at about 4,000rpm. And have done for over 200 hours of use,
>>>excepting climb-out at 4,800 and the odd spurt to see how fast it will
>>>go.
>>>The plugs are squeaky-clean. The piston crowns are quite clean. There is
>>>no
>>>loss of compression or performance that suggests that the piston rings
>>>are
>>>coked. The engine uses virtually no oil between changes and the oil
>>>discolouration is mid brown colour at 100 hours.
>>>Our local Rotax dealer commented flippantly that at these speeds the
>>>engine
>>>would 'last forever'!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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