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1. 12:01 AM - Re: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube (Richard Iddon)
2. 02:03 AM - Re: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube (Jeremy Davey)
3. 02:18 AM - Fuel gauge - again! (Bob Fairall)
4. 03:15 AM - Re: Stall Warners (David Joyce)
5. 05:39 AM - Re: Stall Warners (KARL HEINDL)
6. 05:53 AM - Re: Fuel gauge - again! (R.C.Harrison)
7. 05:55 AM - Re: Stall Warners (Gerry Holland)
8. 07:28 AM - Re: Fuel gauge - again! (SteveD)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: Stall Warners (William Daniell)
10. 10:59 AM - Re: Stall Warners (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
11. 12:07 PM - Re: Stall Warners (ivor.phillips)
12. 01:19 PM - Re: Stall Warners (GLENN CROWDER)
13. 01:33 PM - Mist coat (Paul Stewart)
14. 01:50 PM - Re: Mist coat ()
15. 01:55 PM - Re: Mist coat (Jim Thursby)
16. 02:05 PM - Re: Mist coat (ivor.phillips)
17. 02:54 PM - Re: Stall Warners (JEFF ROBERTS)
18. 03:43 PM - Re: Air vents (willie harrison)
19. 07:30 PM - Re: Stall Warners (Jacques.POINT@total.com)
20. 09:07 PM - Re: Mist coat (Mike Parkin)
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Subject: | Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Graeme,
I am going to have to replace the pins in my torque tube before long.
The factory will supply oversize pins and Bob Harrison has an approved
mod which clamps the TP12 and TP9 to the tube. I haven't come across
any taper pins as an alternative but, if this is an option I would be
grateful if you would let me have any info you find out.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Hi,
I have heard that a number of builders have substituted taper pins in
place of the straight pins attaching TP09, TP12 etc to the tailplane
torque tube. Does anyone have an approved PFA mod number for this?
Thanks,
Graeme Smith
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Subject: | Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Richard,
You might also want to have a chat with Nigel Graham about his solution on
the torque-tube. He has some rings ready to redux into the TT at the
appropriate point to reinforce it against crushing - and as a result can
simply use AN3 bolts to join the two parts.
Very simple, very neat, and I'm sure very effective.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1400 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Graeme,
I am going to have to replace the pins in my torque tube before long.
The factory will supply oversize pins and Bob Harrison has an approved
mod which clamps the TP12 and TP9 to the tube. I haven't come across
any taper pins as an alternative but, if this is an option I would be
grateful if you would let me have any info you find out.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Hi,
I have heard that a number of builders have substituted taper pins in
place of the straight pins attaching TP09, TP12 etc to the tailplane
torque tube. Does anyone have an approved PFA mod number for this?
Thanks,
Graeme Smith
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Subject: | Fuel gauge - again! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Fairall" <b_fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
Having become fed up with the 'standard' location of the fuel sight gauge on
my existing Europa for all the previously well documented reasons, in
addition to the Flowscan and Capacitance type gauges I intent to fit, I
thought I'd also fit a sight gauge, albeit up the seat back as others have
done.
I'm just a bit unsure of the precise route for the tube. Have others gone up
the left side of the tunnel, the right side, or straight through the middle?
Bob Fairall
Kit 71 G-BXLK up and flying wonderfully since 1998.
Kit 494 under construction and I'm STILL enjoying every minute of it!
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into the
airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good Day All,
>
> There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item.
Does
> the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for
them...website?
> One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with a
> simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA
approval.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Mike Duane
> Redding, CA
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK doctors
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
I don't know if anyone noticed, but he Europa stall warner works fine off a
9V battery. Saves running a wire and the battery would last a very long
time. Also handy when flying the MG with electrical system switched off.
Karl
>From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:14:38 +0100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into
>the
>airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
> >
> > Good Day All,
> >
> > There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item.
>Does
> > the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for
>them...website?
> > One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with
>a
> > simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA
>approval.
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> > Mike Duane
> > Redding, CA
> > XS Conventional Gear
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK
>doctors
> > http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Fuel gauge - again! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Bob (F)
I devised mine and it goes through the middle of the tunnel and
re-enters the seat back then diagonally backwards across the tank top
for the vent.
Initially it was hopeless due to when the P1 looks down wards he can't
see the meniscus level of the fuel. However I bought a 3mm high vis
float ball so now the level's plain to see. You must make sure it
doesn't just bugger off over the tank top though. Tunnel top level gives
about 2 gallons in Main side available plus the normal reserve. The ball
was from a Vance Atkinson who sells the fuel sight gauges for the
Varyeeze type a/c. his e-mail address was :- Nostromo56@comcast.net
You can see my photos
at:-http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/europa.htm
Click on "Bob Harrison's Europa G-PTAG" and scroll down accordingly.
I had to rework it all though to insert the ball after the photo's were
taken.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Fairall
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel gauge - again!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Fairall"
<b_fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
Having become fed up with the 'standard' location of the fuel sight
gauge on
my existing Europa for all the previously well documented reasons, in
addition to the Flowscan and Capacitance type gauges I intent to fit, I
thought I'd also fit a sight gauge, albeit up the seat back as others
have
done.
I'm just a bit unsure of the precise route for the tube. Have others
gone up
the left side of the tunnel, the right side, or straight through the
middle?
Bob Fairall
Kit 71 G-BXLK up and flying wonderfully since 1998.
Kit 494 under construction and I'm STILL enjoying every minute of it!
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
Mike
> Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into the
> airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce
Reinforcing David's comments. It also can be retrofitted if you order the
retro kit. Worked well. Just need several readings of instructions and
courage to start the blind drilling!
Regards
Gerry
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Subject: | RE: Fuel gauge - again! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Vance Atkinson web site:
http://home.comcast.net/~nostromo56/album3_002.htm
Vance's gauge installed in an Europa:
http://www.europaowners.org/album43
I don't think I would install the reserve tank gauge if I had to do it again...
But I had all the parts so I did it...
Chat Later,
Steved
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Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Can anyone help on installing this item.
The issue 2 that mine came with shows installation outboard of bell crank
and then the newsletter says 3.5" inboard of this location which puts it
under the bell crank.
Any idea tip on gratefully received
Will
Bogota
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into the
airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good Day All,
>
> There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item.
Does
> the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for
them...website?
> One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with a
> simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA
approval.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Mike Duane
> Redding, CA
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK doctors
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hey Cliff,
I have an AOA installed separetly. But I have going back and forth about the
attention getting audible warning that a stall warner might provide. Still
thinking.........
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Hi Will it is definitely outside of bellcrank,
http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2061a.pdf This is
the URL from Europa
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
undercarriage fitted brakes working
flap tube fitted
wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument
panel being finalised,
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Stall Warners
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> Can anyone help on installing this item.
>
> The issue 2 that mine came with shows installation outboard of bell crank
> and then the newsletter says 3.5" inboard of this location which puts it
> under the bell crank.
>
> Any idea tip on gratefully received
>
> Will
> Bogota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into
> the
> airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>>
>> Good Day All,
>>
>> There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item.
> Does
>> the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for
> them...website?
>> One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with
>> a
>> simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA
> approval.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>> Mike Duane
>> Redding, CA
>> XS Conventional Gear
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK
>> doctors
>> http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
For all the flying I have done in the Europa, the stall warner seems largely
unnecessary to me. If you set your trim correctly for 65 mph the plane
stays at this speed very faithfully and has no tendency to speed up or slow
down on final approach. I have the Mac Trim marked for final approach speed
and can leave it unchanged for pattern work. I purchased the Europa stall
warner kit but have no real motivation to install it - might even sell it.
Maybe in very turbulent gusty conditions it could be helpful.
Glenn Crowder
>From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:14:38 +0100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into
>the
>airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
> >
> > Good Day All,
> >
> > There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item.
>Does
> > the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for
>them...website?
> > One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with
>a
> > simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA
>approval.
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> > Mike Duane
> > Redding, CA
> > XS Conventional Gear
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK
>doctors
> > http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring
while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used?
Regards
Paul
G- GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Paul
I am using the cheapest quick drying flat black enamel. Seems to work well.
Tom Friedland
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Subject: Europa-List: Mist coat
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
--> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring
while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used?
Regards
Paul
G- GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Hi Paul,
Any black lacquer will work. Just DON'T use enamel, it clogs up the paper.
If you have some black basecoat that will work also.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Subject: Europa-List: Mist coat
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
--> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring while
sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used?
Regards
Paul
G- GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
I have used plain old Matt Black acrylic 400ml cans , Auto chem is one
company but most car accessory shops will sell something equivalent,
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
undercarriage fitted brakes working
flap tube fitted
wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument
panel being finalised,
> Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring
> while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used?
>
> Regards
> Paul
> G- GIDY
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
While we are on the stall warner. I have just finished the install but
was hooking up the pressure switch when the instructions said to refer
to the drawing. I didn't receive a drawing. Does the hose go onto the A
side or the B side of the pressure switch. I assume the ground or hot
doesn't matter as these are not marked. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance!
Jeff
A258
Painted and working part time at crossing off things on a long list.
On Sep 5, 2005, at 3:17 PM, GLENN CROWDER wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER"
> <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
>
> For all the flying I have done in the Europa, the stall warner seems
> largely
> unnecessary to me. If you set your trim correctly for 65 mph the plane
> stays at this speed very faithfully and has no tendency to speed up or
> slow
> down on final approach. I have the Mac Trim marked for final approach
> speed
> and can leave it unchanged for pattern work. I purchased the Europa
> stall
> warner kit but have no real motivation to install it - might even sell
> it.
> Maybe in very turbulent gusty conditions it could be helpful.
>
> Glenn Crowder
>
>> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>> Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:14:38 +0100
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
>> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>> Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out
>> into
>> the
>> airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners
>>
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>>>
>>> Good Day All,
>>>
>>> There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this
>>> item.
>> Does
>>> the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for
>> them...website?
>>> One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used
>>> with
>> a
>>> simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need
>>> PFA
>> approval.
>>>
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Duane
>>> Redding, CA
>>> XS Conventional Gear
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________________________________
>>> ___
>>> How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK
>> doctors
>>> http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism
>>> _____________________________________________________________________
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
I drilled a hole and installed an M5 countersunk screw through the
adjustable vane. I glued together the remains of the original knurled
wheel/collar and an M5 tapped disc. Works fine.
Willie Harrison, G-BZNY
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Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
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06/09/2005 04:29:27,
Serialize by Router on XFRPAR-HE03/GROUP/Corp(Release 6.5.1|January 21,
2004) at
06/09/2005 04:29:28,
Serialize complete at 06/09/2005 04:29:28
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jacques.POINT@total.com
Hi Glen,
If it is the one for the first version (foam) wing and if you want to
sell, please let me know
Regards
Jacques POINT
Mono # 148
e-mail: jacques.point@total.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Paul,
Try using 3M Dry Guide Coat, I used it extensively during the colour
sanding of my Europa and it worked brilliantly.
It is applied with a sponge applicator, does not require drying time,
odourless and does not clog the wet or dry paper.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Mist coat
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring
> while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used?
>
> Regards
> Paul
> G- GIDY
>
>
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