---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/05/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Re: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube (Richard Iddon) 2. 02:03 AM - Re: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube (Jeremy Davey) 3. 02:18 AM - Fuel gauge - again! (Bob Fairall) 4. 03:15 AM - Re: Stall Warners (David Joyce) 5. 05:39 AM - Re: Stall Warners (KARL HEINDL) 6. 05:53 AM - Re: Fuel gauge - again! (R.C.Harrison) 7. 05:55 AM - Re: Stall Warners (Gerry Holland) 8. 07:28 AM - Re: Fuel gauge - again! (SteveD) 9. 08:17 AM - Re: Stall Warners (William Daniell) 10. 10:59 AM - Re: Stall Warners (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 11. 12:07 PM - Re: Stall Warners (ivor.phillips) 12. 01:19 PM - Re: Stall Warners (GLENN CROWDER) 13. 01:33 PM - Mist coat (Paul Stewart) 14. 01:50 PM - Re: Mist coat () 15. 01:55 PM - Re: Mist coat (Jim Thursby) 16. 02:05 PM - Re: Mist coat (ivor.phillips) 17. 02:54 PM - Re: Stall Warners (JEFF ROBERTS) 18. 03:43 PM - Re: Air vents (willie harrison) 19. 07:30 PM - Re: Stall Warners (Jacques.POINT@total.com) 20. 09:07 PM - Re: Mist coat (Mike Parkin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:10 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" Graeme, I am going to have to replace the pins in my torque tube before long. The factory will supply oversize pins and Bob Harrison has an approved mod which clamps the TP12 and TP9 to the tube. I haven't come across any taper pins as an alternative but, if this is an option I would be grateful if you would let me have any info you find out. Richard Iddon G-RIXS Hi, I have heard that a number of builders have substituted taper pins in place of the straight pins attaching TP09, TP12 etc to the tailplane torque tube. Does anyone have an approved PFA mod number for this? Thanks, Graeme Smith ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:52 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Richard, You might also want to have a chat with Nigel Graham about his solution on the torque-tube. He has some rings ready to redux into the TT at the appropriate point to reinforce it against crushing - and as a result can simply use AN3 bolts to join the two parts. Very simple, very neat, and I'm sure very effective. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1400 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Subject: RE: Europa-List: Taper Pins in Tailplane Torque tube --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" Graeme, I am going to have to replace the pins in my torque tube before long. The factory will supply oversize pins and Bob Harrison has an approved mod which clamps the TP12 and TP9 to the tube. I haven't come across any taper pins as an alternative but, if this is an option I would be grateful if you would let me have any info you find out. Richard Iddon G-RIXS Hi, I have heard that a number of builders have substituted taper pins in place of the straight pins attaching TP09, TP12 etc to the tailplane torque tube. Does anyone have an approved PFA mod number for this? Thanks, Graeme Smith ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:36 AM PST US From: "Bob Fairall" Subject: Europa-List: Fuel gauge - again! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Fairall" Having become fed up with the 'standard' location of the fuel sight gauge on my existing Europa for all the previously well documented reasons, in addition to the Flowscan and Capacitance type gauges I intent to fit, I thought I'd also fit a sight gauge, albeit up the seat back as others have done. I'm just a bit unsure of the precise route for the tube. Have others gone up the left side of the tunnel, the right side, or straight through the middle? Bob Fairall Kit 71 G-BXLK up and flying wonderfully since 1998. Kit 494 under construction and I'm STILL enjoying every minute of it! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:59 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into the airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Good Day All, > > There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item. Does > the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for them...website? > One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with a > simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA approval. > > Do Not Archive > > > Mike Duane > Redding, CA > XS Conventional Gear > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK doctors > http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:21 AM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" I don't know if anyone noticed, but he Europa stall warner works fine off a 9V battery. Saves running a wire and the battery would last a very long time. Also handy when flying the MG with electrical system switched off. Karl >From: "David Joyce" >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:14:38 +0100 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > >Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into >the >airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > > > Good Day All, > > > > There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item. >Does > > the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for >them...website? > > One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with >a > > simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA >approval. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > Mike Duane > > Redding, CA > > XS Conventional Gear > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK >doctors > > http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:51 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel gauge - again! --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Bob (F) I devised mine and it goes through the middle of the tunnel and re-enters the seat back then diagonally backwards across the tank top for the vent. Initially it was hopeless due to when the P1 looks down wards he can't see the meniscus level of the fuel. However I bought a 3mm high vis float ball so now the level's plain to see. You must make sure it doesn't just bugger off over the tank top though. Tunnel top level gives about 2 gallons in Main side available plus the normal reserve. The ball was from a Vance Atkinson who sells the fuel sight gauges for the Varyeeze type a/c. his e-mail address was :- Nostromo56@comcast.net You can see my photos at:-http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/europa.htm Click on "Bob Harrison's Europa G-PTAG" and scroll down accordingly. I had to rework it all though to insert the ball after the photo's were taken. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Fairall Subject: Europa-List: Fuel gauge - again! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Fairall" Having become fed up with the 'standard' location of the fuel sight gauge on my existing Europa for all the previously well documented reasons, in addition to the Flowscan and Capacitance type gauges I intent to fit, I thought I'd also fit a sight gauge, albeit up the seat back as others have done. I'm just a bit unsure of the precise route for the tube. Have others gone up the left side of the tunnel, the right side, or straight through the middle? Bob Fairall Kit 71 G-BXLK up and flying wonderfully since 1998. Kit 494 under construction and I'm STILL enjoying every minute of it! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Mike > Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into the > airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce Reinforcing David's comments. It also can be retrofitted if you order the retro kit. Worked well. Just need several readings of instructions and courage to start the blind drilling! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:35 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Fuel gauge - again! From: "SteveD" --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" Vance Atkinson web site: http://home.comcast.net/~nostromo56/album3_002.htm Vance's gauge installed in an Europa: http://www.europaowners.org/album43 I don't think I would install the reserve tank gauge if I had to do it again... But I had all the parts so I did it... Chat Later, Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:07 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" Can anyone help on installing this item. The issue 2 that mine came with shows installation outboard of bell crank and then the newsletter says 3.5" inboard of this location which puts it under the bell crank. Any idea tip on gratefully received Will Bogota -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into the airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Good Day All, > > There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item. Does > the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for them...website? > One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with a > simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA approval. > > Do Not Archive > > > Mike Duane > Redding, CA > XS Conventional Gear > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK doctors > http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:30 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Hey Cliff, I have an AOA installed separetly. But I have going back and forth about the attention getting audible warning that a stall warner might provide. Still thinking......... Mike ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:09 PM PST US From: "ivor.phillips" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" Hi Will it is definitely outside of bellcrank, http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2061a.pdf This is the URL from Europa Ivor Phillips XS486 London UK CM Installed, rudder cables complete, undercarriage fitted brakes working flap tube fitted wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument panel being finalised, ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Stall Warners > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" > > Can anyone help on installing this item. > > The issue 2 that mine came with shows installation outboard of bell crank > and then the newsletter says 3.5" inboard of this location which puts it > under the bell crank. > > Any idea tip on gratefully received > > Will > Bogota > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > > Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into > the > airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com >> >> Good Day All, >> >> There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item. > Does >> the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for > them...website? >> One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with >> a >> simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA > approval. >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> >> Mike Duane >> Redding, CA >> XS Conventional Gear >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK >> doctors >> http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:30 PM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" For all the flying I have done in the Europa, the stall warner seems largely unnecessary to me. If you set your trim correctly for 65 mph the plane stays at this speed very faithfully and has no tendency to speed up or slow down on final approach. I have the Mac Trim marked for final approach speed and can leave it unchanged for pattern work. I purchased the Europa stall warner kit but have no real motivation to install it - might even sell it. Maybe in very turbulent gusty conditions it could be helpful. Glenn Crowder >From: "David Joyce" >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:14:38 +0100 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > >Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out into >the >airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > > > Good Day All, > > > > There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this item. >Does > > the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for >them...website? > > One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used with >a > > simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need PFA >approval. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > Mike Duane > > Redding, CA > > XS Conventional Gear > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK >doctors > > http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:55 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: Mist coat --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used? Regards Paul G- GIDY ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:35 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mist coat --> Europa-List message posted by: Hi Paul I am using the cheapest quick drying flat black enamel. Seems to work well. Tom Friedland -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: Mist coat --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart --> Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used? Regards Paul G- GIDY -- -- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:50 PM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mist coat --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" Hi Paul, Any black lacquer will work. Just DON'T use enamel, it clogs up the paper. If you have some black basecoat that will work also. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: Mist coat --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart --> Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used? Regards Paul G- GIDY ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:52 PM PST US From: "ivor.phillips" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mist coat --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" I have used plain old Matt Black acrylic 400ml cans , Auto chem is one company but most car accessory shops will sell something equivalent, Ivor Phillips XS486 London UK CM Installed, rudder cables complete, undercarriage fitted brakes working flap tube fitted wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument panel being finalised, > Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring > while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used? > > Regards > Paul > G- GIDY ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:32 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS While we are on the stall warner. I have just finished the install but was hooking up the pressure switch when the instructions said to refer to the drawing. I didn't receive a drawing. Does the hose go onto the A side or the B side of the pressure switch. I assume the ground or hot doesn't matter as these are not marked. Is that correct? Thanks in advance! Jeff A258 Painted and working part time at crossing off things on a long list. On Sep 5, 2005, at 3:17 PM, GLENN CROWDER wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" > > > For all the flying I have done in the Europa, the stall warner seems > largely > unnecessary to me. If you set your trim correctly for 65 mph the plane > stays at this speed very faithfully and has no tendency to speed up or > slow > down on final approach. I have the Mac Trim marked for final approach > speed > and can leave it unchanged for pattern work. I purchased the Europa > stall > warner kit but have no real motivation to install it - might even sell > it. > Maybe in very turbulent gusty conditions it could be helpful. > > Glenn Crowder > >> From: "David Joyce" >> Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >> To: >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners >> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:14:38 +0100 >> >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" >> >> >> Mike, The Europa stall warner is a neat item that doesn't stick out >> into >> the >> airflow and ruin the laminar flow. Recommended. David Joyce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Subject: Europa-List: Stall Warners >> >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com >>> >>> Good Day All, >>> >>> There wasn't much in the way of information on the archive on this >>> item. >> Does >>> the new Europa have these available? Where would I look for >> them...website? >>> One email spoke of Alan Cousins having built one that could be used >>> with >> a >>> simple battery. Any feedback on this item? In the US and don't need >>> PFA >> approval. >>> >>> Do Not Archive >>> >>> >>> Mike Duane >>> Redding, CA >>> XS Conventional Gear >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> ___ >>> How to respond to a major incident - essential training for all UK >> doctors >>> http://www.doctors.net.uk/bioterrorism >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> __ >>> >>> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:39 PM PST US From: "willie harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Air vents --> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" I drilled a hole and installed an M5 countersunk screw through the adjustable vane. I glued together the remains of the original knurled wheel/collar and an M5 tapped disc. Works fine. Willie Harrison, G-BZNY ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall Warners From: Jacques.POINT@total.com 14, 2004) at 09/06/2005 04:29:27 AM, Serialize complete at 09/06/2005 04:29:27 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on XFRPAR-HE03/GROUP/Corp(Release 6.5.1|January 21, 2004) at 06/09/2005 04:29:27, Serialize by Router on XFRPAR-HE03/GROUP/Corp(Release 6.5.1|January 21, 2004) at 06/09/2005 04:29:28, Serialize complete at 06/09/2005 04:29:28 --> Europa-List message posted by: Jacques.POINT@total.com Hi Glen, If it is the one for the first version (foam) wing and if you want to sell, please let me know Regards Jacques POINT Mono # 148 e-mail: jacques.point@total.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:25 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mist coat --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" Paul, Try using 3M Dry Guide Coat, I used it extensively during the colour sanding of my Europa and it worked brilliantly. It is applied with a sponge applicator, does not require drying time, odourless and does not clog the wet or dry paper. regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stewart" Subject: Europa-List: Mist coat > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart > > Anyone who has used a black (or other colour) spray to help contouring > while sanding - can I ask what spray paint you have used? > > Regards > Paul > G- GIDY > > >