---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/09/05: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:48 AM - Re: Hold downs (BEBERRY@aol.com) 2. 01:44 PM - Re: Through the firewall (Mike Gamble) 3. 03:56 PM - Re: Hold downs (N55XS) 4. 04:48 PM - Re: torque tube pins (Graham Singleton) 5. 04:53 PM - Annual Inspection Check List (Paul McAllister) 6. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: torque tube pins (Paul Boulet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:14 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hold downs --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Jeff - I have looked at your tie down solution and quite like it. I am going to do something like that but maybe, as you suggest, with only fixing ring protruding from the bottom of the flap fairing. Many thanks. Patrick G PUDS ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:58 PM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Through the firewall --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" Thanks for the ideas gentlemen. It's interesting to see that others have routed - -through the s/steel panel using some sort of protective gland or AN fitting. -above the top tube of the u/c frame -through the wheelwell roof and the firewall using rt angle AN fittings -inside the ciockpit area, penetrating the firewall via the footwell using AN fittings -inside the cockpit area, into the wheelwell, along the roof and through the firewall I have the rubber fuel lines running along the top of the wheelwell as far as the u/c frame and would really like to go forward above the top tube but there is not enough clearance for this without cutting into the firewall bottom surface. I don't see anything wrong with this if I make good on the top surface with a couple of layers of bid. So that looks like the way to go. Mike XS 440 mono (rubber fuel lines throughout) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:40 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hold downs --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Patrick, Glad to help. Let me know how they work out... Rocketman RM Holsters - http://www.rmholsters.com do not archive BEBERRY@aol.com wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com > > > >Jeff - I have looked at your tie down solution and quite like it. I am >going to do something like that but maybe, as you suggest, with only fixing ring >protruding from the bottom of the flap fairing. > >Many thanks. > >Patrick G PUDS > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:11 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: torque tube pins --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 08/09/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Having spent the whole summer trying to do >that (be aware that Europa have changed the diameter of the torque tube >at various stages of the kit development and that they don't carry >spares of the older tubes), I have a different opinion. Let me quote >from my engineering text "/Plain and threaded taper pins (AN385 and >AN386) are used in joints which carry shear loads and where absence of >play is essential". >/ The problem with parallel pins is that, even if they start off "as >tight as a camel's a**e in a sandstorm!" (as mine originally did), it >only takes a knock or a shock (eg letting the counter weight thump down >on the stop when removing the tailplanes, over enthusiastic full and >free movement of controls check or struggling with mod 70) to introduce >some play, and your torque tube is toast! Play begets play! Hi Graeme Agree with most of that. The problem with parallel pins is that you can't be sure whether the pin is tight in both tubes and as you say any rattle will gradually knock itself a bigger hole. Most of this damage occurs during taxying of course. I haven't looked at taper pins, but they could be subject to the same problem. Did you know that camels have a triangular a**se, eat straw, sh1t bricks, hence the pyramids !:-> scuse me, just a sudden senior thought Graham -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:09 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Annual Inspection Check List --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi all, Has anyone prepared a formal check list that they work through for their annual condition inspection ? If so could you forward me a copy. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:33 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: torque tube pins --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet LOL...Graham you are waaaaaay out there....sniffin a bit too much aeropoxy? Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA "Trying to get the freakin' thing converted to a tri gear so I can fly again" do not archive Graham Singleton wrote: Did you know that camels have a triangular a**se, eat straw, sh1t bricks, hence the pyramids !:-> scuse me, just a sudden senior thought Graham --