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1. 12:00 AM - Re: Landing Light (Steve Hagar)
2. 01:09 AM - Re: Landing Light (Jim Butcher)
3. 04:58 AM - Landing Lights (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: torque tube pins Most Damaged During Taxi???? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
5. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: torque tube pins Most Damaged During Taxi???? (willie harrison)
6. 10:45 AM - Door Shoot Bolt Distance (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
7. 11:43 AM - Re: Door Shoot Bolt Distance (ivor.phillips)
8. 12:53 PM - Re: ???? Old Age (Fred Klein)
9. 12:59 PM - Re: ???? Old Age (Fred Klein)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Landing Light (Fred Klein)
11. 04:26 PM - Re: Landing Light (N55XS)
12. 06:36 PM - Rotax Service Info (Fred Fillinger)
13. 08:59 PM - 914 overflow hoses (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I used a landing light out of the Lockwood Catalog, sort of a teardroped
shaped affair with a concentrating lens on the front. It was mounted just
forward of the left outrigger mechanism under the wing and then covered
with a fairing. Since the outrigger needs a fairing anyway.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
Starting engine next weekend
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/11/2005 7:14:02 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Landing Light
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
<kevann@verizon.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Does anyone have a simple landing light solution for the XS? What light
> works well and where to mount it.
> Thanks, Kevin
> N211KA working on electrical
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
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We mounted a XeVision HID light in the cowl on the stbd side. The light is
rectangular and we mounted in vertically to accomidate the change in
attitude from level to landing configurations (monowheel). Presently in the
midst of taxi testing so can't report results except to say it really is
bright!! If anyone is interested, we can provide some photos (not great
detail).
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
XS monowheel 914 taxi testing
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09/12/2005 07:55:37 AM,
Serialize complete at 09/12/2005 07:55:37 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
One of the very best thing I saw at Oshkosh this year for Europa Owners
was the
the new much lower price on HID (Xenon) aircraft landing lights. A price
drop of about
50% if I recall. The new price is not on their web site for some reason,
but I have
the flyer from the show. It was not supposed to be the show price, but
permanent
according to Curtis LoPresti of LoPresti SpeedMods in Vero Beach FL
5x the lumens, 1/4 the amperage and heat for about $400
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube pins Most Damaged During Taxi???? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 9/9/2005 6:49:34 PM Central Standard Time,
graham@gflight.f9.co.uk writes:
<Most of this damage occurs
During taxying of course. I haven't looked at taper pins, but they could be
subject to the same problem.>
This is a very interesting statement. Am I to assume that this problem is
more inherent with you chaps across the pond that use bumpy grass or unimproved
strips?
Brian Skelly
Texas
Europa # A276 TriGear
See My build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube pins Most Damaged During Taxi???? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
Also likely to get damaged if elevator is left unrestrained to flap
about in a tailwind when parked?
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| Subject: | Door Shoot Bolt Distance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
Had a quick question on the distance between the tips of the shoot bolts
with the door open but the handle in the locked position. In other words,
maximum extension. The manual gives the open, or unlocked distance as 952 mm but
I'm more concerned as to how much they need to stick out to make good contact
with the fuselage.
Thanks in advance.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Door Shoot Bolt Distance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Mine extend 3/4 inch from the doors both ends , 952mm is nearly 37 1/2
inches?
In metric the shoot bolts extend 19.06 mm
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
undercarriage fitted brakes working
flap tube fitted
wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument
panel being finalised,
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Door Shoot Bolt Distance
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good Day All,
>
> Had a quick question on the distance between the tips of the shoot bolts
> with the door open but the handle in the locked position. In other words,
> maximum extension. The manual gives the open, or unlocked distance as 952
> mm but
> I'm more concerned as to how much they need to stick out to make good
> contact
> with the fuselage.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mike Duane A207A
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ???? Old Age |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Steve,
You were looking at a pix of Alex Bowman's CAM 125 powered XS; a series
of progress photos are available at the Firewall Forward (Google it)
website; and, I posted several photos on the Matronics photoshare.
Fred
On Thursday, September 1, 2005, at 08:07 PM, Steve Crimm wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was on one of the Europa related sites and
> there was
> a picture of a Canadian Europa with special fairings that almost
> covered the
> main gear when retracted. The problem is I can't remember who owned
> the
> aircraft or where the picture is located. If anyone knows please send
> me
> the link.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Crimm
> N15JN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ???? Old Age |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Steve,
the date of the Alex Bowman photo on the Matronics photoshare is Oct.
23, 2004
F.
On Thursday, September 1, 2005, at 08:07 PM, Steve Crimm wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was on one of the Europa related sites and
> there was
> a picture of a Canadian Europa with special fairings that almost
> covered the
> main gear when retracted. The problem is I can't remember who owned
> the
> aircraft or where the picture is located. If anyone knows please send
> me
> the link.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Crimm
> N15JN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Kevin & All,
I made a batch of polycarbonate wing tip lighting covers suitable for
the creativair LED/strobe/landing light combos; pix's are posted on the
Matronics photoshare - November 26, 2004. I could be persuaded to make
some more if anyone wants some; contact me off list.
Fred
On Sunday, September 11, 2005, at 07:46 AM, J. Hilditch wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "J. Hilditch" <wmjack1@nlimedia.com>
>
> Kevin,
>
> I forgot to also mention the following site:
>
> http://www.creativair.com/cva/
>
> Jack
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
For those interested, I have a set of Fred's wingtip lenses on N55XS.
In a word, they are supurb. Far superior to the offerings Europa once
had. Anyone considering the Creative Air solution to lighting, and I
highly recommend it, should also consider some of Fred's lenses. I am
completely satisfied with mine...
Good to hear from you, Fred. Now, get building... :)
Jeff - N55XS
60+ hours and still grinning... ;)
Fred Klein wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>Kevin & All,
>
>I made a batch of polycarbonate wing tip lighting covers suitable for
>the creativair LED/strobe/landing light combos; pix's are posted on the
>Matronics photoshare - November 26, 2004. I could be persuaded to make
>some more if anyone wants some; contact me off list.
>
>Fred
>
>On Sunday, September 11, 2005, at 07:46 AM, J. Hilditch wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "J. Hilditch" <wmjack1@nlimedia.com>
>>
>>Kevin,
>>
>>I forgot to also mention the following site:
>>
>>http://www.creativair.com/cva/
>>
>>Jack
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax Service Info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Hi, all --
The following post appeared on another matronics list. Looks
rather useful.
Reg,
Fred F.
--------------------------------
Rotax Discussion
I attended the 7/28/04 8:30am "Rotax 912 and 912S Basic Engine
Maintenance" forum. Here are the notes I took from the session.
Eric Tucker, works for Kodiak Research, the Rotax Importer for the
US. They sell engines to Lockwood Aviation Supply, California Power
Systems etc. Eric was shown as the presenter in the program, but in
fact
he was backup for Phil Lockwood.
Phil Lockwood did most of the presentation. He is the
owner/manager of Lockwood Aviation Supply.
The presentation applied to all Rotax four stroke engines. 912,
912S, 914, certified and non certified versions. I'll use 91x to
indicate
all these engines in the following notes.
Through out the presentation, both Phil and Eric stressed that the
91x family of engines, once running, will get you to your destination.
They may self destruct in the process. Loss of all the coolant will
result in
overheating; engine would keep running, but will likely warp the heads.
They implied the engines would run without oil for a long time - again,
the engine may not restart after this abuse. I believe there were other
examples that I did not write down.
Oil discussion:
- Recommend maximum 50 hour oil change. This is more frequent
than the manual states for some conditions.
- Pre-oil the new oil filter when doing an oil change. (That is
fill the filter with new oil before installing it on the engine. Some
discussion
about mess followed, and Eric said to at least fill the new filter half
way
with oil, then it could be installed without pouring the oil out.)
- When installing the filter, max three quarter turn after rubber
gasket makes contact with the engine case. DO NOT turn filter until
the filter touches the case.
- Oil formulations have been changing during the last several
years. The newer oils foam more. This can cause problems in the
91x family.
- The oil dipstick change was because of the foaming.
- Recommend keeping the oil tank near the top of the range.
- Proper way to check oil is to rotate the prop in the normal
direction until the oil tank gurgles. Then check the level in the tank.
- DO NOT rotate the prop backwards. This can pull oil out of the
engine. A few degrees of backward rotation is not a problem. A full
rotation of the prop could be a problem.
- When changing the oil, just remove the oil tank drain plug to
empty the oil tank and change the oil filter. DO NOT try to get
ALL the oil out. Some customers who have had oil related problems
have rotated the prop backwards to pump the oil out of the engine
during their oil changes.
- Need to use motorcycle type oil because the 91x family shares
the crankcase oil with the gearbox oil - like most motorcycles. This
oil
has additives to protect the gears.
- Castrol GPS and Motul have been REMOVED from the
recommend list because of foaming.
- Penzoil motorcycle oil is OK to use
- Any semi synthetic motorcycle oil is OK to use.
- Honda motorcycle oil will not be listed as OK to use because
Honda is possible competitor, but the Honda motorcycle oil is OK
to use.
- California Power Systems AV-9 showed some foaming in testing
and is currently being reformulated.
- DO NOT use pure synthetic oil when using 100LL fuel. Pure
synthetic will not hold the lead in suspension properly.
Cooling discussion:
- Recommend CHT operation in 180F to 240F range. Also
recommend max of 125C which is higher than 240F.
- It is normal for EGT and CHT to be different on each side.
- No real value to having EGT.
- IF the center of the CHT sensors supplied with the engine are
gone, then the engine has been TOO HOT. The center of the sensor has
melted.
- There is a new higher pressure radiator cap available. Eric did
not seem to enthusiastic about it. Typically raises the temperature
before
releasing pressure about 10C.
- Use phosphate free coolant.
- Use silicate free coolant.
- Dexcool coolant works well.
- Don't mix green and orange coolant. Flush system if changing.
- Recommended minimum of 50% coolant (with remainder being
distilled water).
- If having trouble with coolant/distilled water boiling, may need
to move to highest recommend concentration of coolant as recommended
by coolant manufacture.
- If still having trouble with coolant/distilled water boiling,
using Evans coolant is OK. Evans coolant does not use water and runs
without a pressurized cap.
Fuel:
- If flying over 12,000ft, recommended using avgas to avoid vapor
locking.
Carburetors:
- Keep the carbs synchronized. Check every 100 hours. Check at
idle and just off idle.
- Recommend 1800 rpm as minimum idle speed to maximize gearbox
life.
- Recommend overhauling the carbs every 600 hours.
- Choke (enricher) only works with the throttle fully closed.
- Recommended running 2200-2400 RPM just after start until engine
will idle smoothly below this speed.
Gearbox discussion:
- Recommend 912S engines be upgraded to the slipper clutch. There
is increased possibility of kickback with the slipper clutch.
Therefore, this
also requires the upgraded starter at the same time. There is a reduced
cost
upgrade program available.
- Recommended having gear box serviced every 300 hours of
operation for 912S without the slipper clutch (over run clutch).
- There was a recommendation to check the gearbox play every 100
(?) hours of operation. The discussion followed what is in the manual.
This
is for engines which do not have the slipper clutch. Sorry, I'm not
sure of
the frequency that was recommended.
- Would not try to hand prop a Rotax 912S. Much higher
compression
than the 912 or the 914.
There was a discussion about the service bulletins. Basically,
there are bulletins because the factory continues to develop the
engines.
The development is the result of customer/user feedback. Service
bulletins
are only required for certified versions of the engines in certified
planes. The
service bulletins are a good idea for the non certified engines.
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| Subject: | 914 overflow hoses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
Hi All,
I'm connecting all the plumbing on the 914 for my XS. There are four
fuel overflow hose barb fittings and the oil vent and water vent. I
started to use the tubing supplied for the fuel sight gauge, but I'm
thinking that material may not be suitable for firewall forward heat
exposure.
What have others used for these overflow tubes?
Thanks to all for all the landing light suggestions, and, well, everything!
Thanks, Kevin
N211KA, 914/ Airmaster XS
still hopeing to fly this year
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