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1. 12:38 AM - Fw: Terry Salter Fuel tank (Tony Higgins)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: 914 overflow hoses (G-IANI)
3. 04:10 AM - torque tube pins Most Damaged During Taxi???? (Graham Singleton)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: 914 overflow hoses (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
5. 09:51 AM - Re: 914 overflow hoses (Paul McAllister)
6. 11:08 AM - Re: 914 overflow hoses (Terry Seaver (terrys))
7. 11:20 AM - First engine start. (Steve Hagar)
8. 12:36 PM - Re: 914 overflow hoses (Tim Ward)
9. 01:52 PM - Europa XS tri-gear project FOR SALE (Milt Black)
10. 02:06 PM - (no subject) (BEBERRY@aol.com)
11. 10:35 PM - Re: First engine start. (Cliff Shaw)
12. 11:53 PM - Re: Door Shoot Bolt Distance (Gavin & Anne)
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| Subject: | Fw: Terry Salter Fuel tank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Higgins" <tony@higgins4020.freeserve.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Higgins
Subject: Re: Terry Salter Fuel tank
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Higgins
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:27 PM
Subject: Fw: Terry Salter Fuel tank
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Higgins
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: Terry Salter Fuel tank
Hello,
This is the first time I have used this service, hope it works!!.
My Europa 3300 Jabiru G-CHAH has first flighted in the capable hands of Andy
Draper the test continuing in the also very capable hands of Hugh Thompson. Everything
going well apart from a fuel (getting it in prob). 55ltrs is easy and
then to fill I have to dribble it in. It has the tank breather extended and bent
to the top of the tank and vent through 3/8th pipe to the top of the cobra/filler.
Ther tank is a Terry Salter glass unit. Has any one had the same problem.
Regards to all.
Tony Higgins G-CHAH
Welshpool
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| Subject: | 914 overflow hoses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
I used fuel gauge tubing and a similar size Tygon for all except the areas
very close to the exhausts. Near the exhausts I used stainless steel
braided which can be obtained in the required size.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin And
Ann Klinefelter
Subject: Europa-List: 914 overflow hoses
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
<kevann@verizon.net>
Hi All,
I'm connecting all the plumbing on the 914 for my XS. There are four
fuel overflow hose barb fittings and the oil vent and water vent. I
started to use the tubing supplied for the fuel sight gauge, but I'm
thinking that material may not be suitable for firewall forward heat
exposure.
What have others used for these overflow tubes?
Thanks to all for all the landing light suggestions, and, well, everything!
Thanks, Kevin
N211KA, 914/ Airmaster XS
still hopeing to fly this year
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| Subject: | torque tube pins Most Damaged During Taxi???? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 12/09/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/9/2005 6:49:34 PM Central Standard Time,
>graham@gflight.f9.co.uk writes:
><Most of this damage occurs
>During taxying of course. I haven't looked at taper pins, but they could be
>subject to the same problem.>
>This is a very interesting statement. Am I to assume that this problem is
>more inherent with you chaps across the pond that use bumpy grass or
>unimproved
I guess it is, somebody owns every square foot of land in UK and would
rather build houses on it than let flyers live.
Nevertheless, if there is a slight rattle, and taking the pin out once or
twice can generate a slight rattle, it will gradually knock itself bigger.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: 914 overflow hoses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
The Carb tray and airbox orerflow tubes I figure to run pretty much
strait down , which is pretty close behind exhaust, then exit the back
of the lower cowl. Tygon is only rated to 165f. Is tygon holding up to
the heat for you?
Kevin
G-IANI wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
>I used fuel gauge tubing and a similar size Tygon for all except the areas
>very close to the exhausts. Near the exhausts I used stainless steel
>braided which can be obtained in the required size.
>
>Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
>Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
>e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin And
>Ann Klinefelter
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: 914 overflow hoses
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
><kevann@verizon.net>
>
>Hi All,
>I'm connecting all the plumbing on the 914 for my XS. There are four
>fuel overflow hose barb fittings and the oil vent and water vent. I
>started to use the tubing supplied for the fuel sight gauge, but I'm
>thinking that material may not be suitable for firewall forward heat
>exposure.
>
>What have others used for these overflow tubes?
>
>Thanks to all for all the landing light suggestions, and, well, everything!
>
>Thanks, Kevin
>N211KA, 914/ Airmaster XS
>still hopeing to fly this year
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 overflow hoses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I used normal rubber fuel hose and it has worked out fine for the last 18
months of flying.
Paul
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| Subject: | 914 overflow hoses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Speaking of fuel hoses ...
On a recent flight from Livermore, California to Spokane, Washington I
had what looked like grease all along the side of the fuselage. I
assumed it was from the prop controller (we have had a little grease
leakage from our Airmaster, on occasion), and continued the flight there
and then back home. On inspection, it turned out it was not grease, but
was varnish all along the side of the fuselage. There was a significant
fuel leak in the fuel line at the outlet of the mechanical fuel pump on
our 912S, which has been dumping fuel into the engine compartment for a
while, perhaps as much as a gallon per hour on the trip to Spokane,
which by the way, is over some very un-hospitable country at times.
The fuel hose in question is the original hose from Europa, with the
stainless braid sheathing. Ours was kit A135, purchased late in 1998.
There have been emails to the effect that this early hose is not well
suited for auto gas, which is what we use. People have said the hose is
somewhat porous to auto gas, smelling even when there are no actual
leaks. The hose that split seems to have disintegrated, I suspect from
the exposure to auto fuel.
So, if there is anyone out there still using this type hose from Europa,
and you use auto fuel, beware.
We had already replaced much of our fuel hose with stuff rated for auto
fuel, and replaced the rest of the old Europa supplied hose this
weekend. Quite a job, but long over due, as it turns out.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Almost finished with our long wings, finally. Just final fitting of the
ailerons and painting left.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin And
Ann Klinefelter
Subject: Europa-List: 914 overflow hoses
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
--> <kevann@verizon.net>
Hi All,
I'm connecting all the plumbing on the 914 for my XS. There are four
fuel overflow hose barb fittings and the oil vent and water vent. I
started to use the tubing supplied for the fuel sight gauge, but I'm
thinking that material may not be suitable for firewall forward heat
exposure.
What have others used for these overflow tubes?
Thanks to all for all the landing light suggestions, and, well,
everything!
Thanks, Kevin
N211KA, 914/ Airmaster XS
still hopeing to fly this year
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"Craig Ham" <craig@coloradocomposite.com>,
"rob phoenix composites" <rob@phoenixcomposites.com>
| Subject: | First engine start. |
2.05 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
The old? (new!) engine has been sitting on the airplane for over a year and a half
now and I'm running out of things to do on the rest of the airplane. So the
decision has been made to tie the tailwheel to the car and fire it up in the
driveway this Saturday. The engine has been hand proppped through about every
2 months to keep the oil pumped where it needs to be. Oil pressure rises
very fast with just hand propping. Noting that oil only returns to the tank if
the sparkplugs are in as blowby pressurizes the sump. I need to know of any
issues to watch out for. I am aware of the need to undo the turbocharger sump
return line to verify oil being pumped through upon engine startup. However
with the amount of oil I have dripping out of the air filter I know there is
plenty of oil there.
Has any one experienced any gotcha's upon initial startup, are there any other
things to watch for. I haven't made the checklist yet but will be looking for
proper response from all sensors. Tach verification, fuel flow sensors etc.
Have a mercury manometer that I used to set up my old BMW. That machine ran
very differently between the balanced and slightly balanced conditions. So that
will probably be the first thing accomplished after floes, temperatures,
and pressures are verified. Both the top and bottom cowlings will be off. Automatic
operation of the Airmaster prop will be verified. The TCU 100 % was
set over a year ago using a laptop, are there any other concerns to be aware
of in this respect? Two gallons of high test will be put in the tank, All fuel
lines and pumps etc have been checked long ago as the tank was filled and the
system was pressurized for an extended time with the pumps, and then drained.
I do have a concern that there is some old gas
in the float bowls. If the engine doesn't start right off or runs roughly then
they will come off. There is a distinct "old fuel" aroma when the nose is
put in the fuel filler port. Will have halon fire extinguisher available,
has anyone out there experienced any fires?
Input appreciated,
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
"There's a slight nip in the air, the temperature got below 95 when riding the
motorcycle to work yesterday afternoon!"
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: 914 overflow hoses |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Terry,
Many thanks for that. I have replaced all my interior hosing (original from
Europa) with fuel injection hoses, now about to replace all the exterior
line and engine lines.
Causes a fuel smell as the line permeates the auto fuel.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 overflow hoses
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)"
> <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> Speaking of fuel hoses ...
>
> On a recent flight from Livermore, California to Spokane, Washington I
> had what looked like grease all along the side of the fuselage. I
> assumed it was from the prop controller (we have had a little grease
> leakage from our Airmaster, on occasion), and continued the flight there
> and then back home. On inspection, it turned out it was not grease, but
> was varnish all along the side of the fuselage. There was a significant
> fuel leak in the fuel line at the outlet of the mechanical fuel pump on
> our 912S, which has been dumping fuel into the engine compartment for a
> while, perhaps as much as a gallon per hour on the trip to Spokane,
> which by the way, is over some very un-hospitable country at times.
>
> The fuel hose in question is the original hose from Europa, with the
> stainless braid sheathing. Ours was kit A135, purchased late in 1998.
> There have been emails to the effect that this early hose is not well
> suited for auto gas, which is what we use. People have said the hose is
> somewhat porous to auto gas, smelling even when there are no actual
> leaks. The hose that split seems to have disintegrated, I suspect from
> the exposure to auto fuel.
>
> So, if there is anyone out there still using this type hose from Europa,
> and you use auto fuel, beware.
>
> We had already replaced much of our fuel hose with stuff rated for auto
> fuel, and replaced the rest of the old Europa supplied hose this
> weekend. Quite a job, but long over due, as it turns out.
>
> Regards,
> Terry Seaver
> A135 / N135TD
>
> Almost finished with our long wings, finally. Just final fitting of the
> ailerons and painting left.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin And
> Ann Klinefelter
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: 914 overflow hoses
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
> --> <kevann@verizon.net>
>
> Hi All,
> I'm connecting all the plumbing on the 914 for my XS. There are four
> fuel overflow hose barb fittings and the oil vent and water vent. I
> started to use the tubing supplied for the fuel sight gauge, but I'm
> thinking that material may not be suitable for firewall forward heat
> exposure.
>
> What have others used for these overflow tubes?
>
> Thanks to all for all the landing light suggestions, and, well,
> everything!
>
> Thanks, Kevin
> N211KA, 914/ Airmaster XS
> still hopeing to fly this year
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa XS tri-gear project FOR SALE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Milt Black" <black333@dslextreme.com>
Europa XS Tri-Gear partially completed with many extras, all instruments,
radio, xponder, EFIS, wiring harnesses, newly-designed firewall forward kit
for Jabiru 3300, new Jabiru 3300 six-cylinder zero time 120 HP engine,
Sensenich prop., intercom, multi-function stick grip, breakers, terminal
strips, three-point strobes, fibre optic instrument lighting system, and
more. Work to date is exemplary and well-documented. Let's do the numbers.
A new XS tri-gear delivered to the East Coast is 21,295 English pounds which
equals 42,600 plus dollars. The Jabiru 3300 and firewall forward kit is
$18,490 plus shipping. Total cost, not counting any of the above-listed
extras, is $61,090.00. This project at $48,000.00 is an excellent buy. See
for yourself by logging on to Google, then to aberlecustomaircraft.com or
airacer.com. Questions? Call Milt Black, 760-728-0179 - E-Mail black
333@dslextreme.com - or Tom Aberle, 760-723-1731.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Can anyone please point me to where I can acquire a Warp Drive prop 62", or
just the blades - in u.k.
Maybe someone has upgraded to a V.P?
Patrick.
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| Subject: | Re: First engine start. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
Good luck, things will go well I am sure.
Suggest you go ahead and pop off the carb bowls and dump out that old fuel, it
is an easy job to do.
The only thing I had a problem with is a water hose cam off and steam blanketed
every thing. I should have checked the clamp a little closer.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Hagar
To: europa-list ; Craig Ham ; rob phoenix composites
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: Europa-List: First engine start.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
The old? (new!) engine has been sitting on the airplane for over a year and a
half now and I'm running out of things to do on the rest of the airplane. So
the decision has been made to tie the tailwheel to the car and fire it up in the
driveway this Saturday. The engine has been hand proppped through about
every 2 months to keep the oil pumped where it needs to be. Oil pressure rises
very fast with just hand propping. Noting that oil only returns to the tank
if the sparkplugs are in as blowby pressurizes the sump. I need to know of any
issues to watch out for. I am aware of the need to undo the turbocharger
sump return line to verify oil being pumped through upon engine startup. However
with the amount of oil I have dripping out of the air filter I know there
is plenty of oil there.
Has any one experienced any gotcha's upon initial startup, are there any other
things to watch for. I haven't made the checklist yet but will be looking for
proper response from all sensors. Tach verification, fuel flow sensors etc.
Have a mercury manometer that I used to set up my old BMW. That machine ran
very differently between the balanced and slightly balanced conditions. So
that will probably be the first thing accomplished after floes, temperatures,
and pressures are verified. Both the top and bottom cowlings will be off.
Automatic operation of the Airmaster prop will be verified. The TCU 100 % was
set over a year ago using a laptop, are there any other concerns to be aware
of in this respect? Two gallons of high test will be put in the tank, All
fuel lines and pumps etc have been checked long ago as the tank was filled and
the system was pressurized for an extended time with the pumps, and then drained.
I do have a concern that there is some old gas
in the float bowls. If the engine doesn't start right off or runs roughly
then they will come off. There is a distinct "old fuel" aroma when the nose
is put in the fuel filler port. Will have halon fire extinguisher available,
has anyone out there experienced any fires?
Input appreciated,
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
"There's a slight nip in the air, the temperature got below 95 when riding the
motorcycle to work yesterday afternoon!"
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Door Shoot Bolt Distance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin & Anne" <gavanne@iconz.co.nz>
Hi Mike....
I have recently fitted mine and not sure where they got the 952mm from.
Fully extended with the handle in the closed position mine are 995mm from
tip to tip and when in the retracted position they are pretty much flush
with the end of the guide tube/barrel in the door, giving an extended length
of around 23mm when in the latched position.
Cheers
Gavin Lee....#355...getting there
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Door Shoot Bolt Distance
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
Had a quick question on the distance between the tips of the shoot bolts
with the door open but the handle in the locked position. In other words,
maximum extension. The manual gives the open, or unlocked distance as 952 mm
but I'm more concerned as to how much they need to stick out to make good
contact with the fuselage.
Thanks in advance.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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