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1. 12:40 AM - Re: 914 Waste Gate (BEBERRY@aol.com)
2. 01:10 AM - Re: micro Monitor Tach input (paul atkinson)
3. 01:10 AM - Alternater Warning light. (paul atkinson)
4. 01:17 AM - Re: Trigear finger Brakes (G-IANI)
5. 03:28 AM - Re: Trigear finger Brakes (ivor.phillips)
6. 11:26 AM - Re: Alternater Warning light. (Fred Fillinger)
7. 02:17 PM - rudder pedal movement (Mike Gamble)
8. 02:59 PM - Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (N914RB)
9. 04:02 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (Robert Berube)
10. 04:13 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (terrys@cisco.com)
11. 04:15 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (Alex Kaarsberg)
12. 06:31 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (DJGeldermann)
13. 11:47 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (R.C.Harrison)
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Subject: | Re: 914 Waste Gate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
The email from Matt Carpenter is useful but other Recent correspondence
about 914s and wastegates, bears out my suspicion that Rotax have not issued any
specific detailed instructions about the operation of the wastegate and
particularly the most important part - pre flight checks and inspections.
I have downloaded masses of info from the Rotax and Europa sites but can
find nothing specific relating to wastegates. Maybe I have not looked in the
right places but can anyone point me in the right direction?.
The information would appear to be needed by a lot of 914 owners.
Patrick
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Subject: | re: micro Monitor Tach input |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Thanks to Alfred, Steve and Cliff.
Paul Atkinson
do not archive
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Subject: | Alternater Warning light. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
I can't find any description of this in my Rotax 912s manuals. Am I
looking in the rong place?
Am I right in thinking that it will indicate a high and low voltage
condition. If so how does it distinguish between the two and what voltages
bring the light on?
Any advice gratefully recieved.
Paul Atkinson
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Subject: | Trigear finger Brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Has anyone in the UK got a Trigear finger brake (The shiny alum one) repair
kit (the rubbers) which they would be prepared to let me have. I will be
pleased to replace this with a new kit from the US when this arrives.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
Tel 01483 714096
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Subject: | Re: Trigear finger Brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Ian there is a set in the post to you
regards
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
>
> Has anyone in the UK got a Trigear finger brake (The shiny alum one)
> repair
> kit (the rubbers) which they would be prepared to let me have. > Ian
> Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
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Subject: | Re: Alternater Warning light. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson":
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> I can't find any description of this in my Rotax 912s manuals.
> Am I looking in the rong place?
> Am I right in thinking that it will indicate a high and low voltage
> condition. If so how does it distinguish between the two and
> what voltages bring the light on?
>
Going by only the schematic and the datasheet for the transistor which
turns on the lamp --- it doesn't sense any level of voltage, per se.
All the lamp circuit reliably appears to do is -- when both of the
semiconductors which do the principal work of the regulator are
working, the lamp will be dark. If one or both of those semiconductor
devices fail, the lamp will probably light. It doesn't appear able to
indicate whether a component failure is due to either a low or high
voltage condition, and least likely the latter, seems to me.
Conversely, it appears also that a dark lamp could happen even in a low
or high voltage condition.
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | rudder pedal movement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@tiscali.co.uk>
Ron, Stephen & Dean. Thanks for your input.Like most other operations it seems
that some modification is required here. I shall probably bend the s/steel rearwards
and cover the resultant gaps with something or other. - I was quite proud
of my 4piece firewall and the way it all fitted together. Now I guess I must
chop it up to clear the arms....oh well!
Regarding rudder pedal travel - am I right in thinking that the total fore and
aft pedal movement is only about 3 inches to get 30 deg. deflection from the neutral
position?
Also how far back from the front of the footwell are the pedals when in this so
called neutral position?
Because of the geometry the pedal tops will only be level with each other at one
point I think.
Mike Gamble
XS 440 mono
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Subject: | Trouble fitting wings to fuselage |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi everybody,
I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the
fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation.
The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and snug.
Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to
insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while trial
positioning and fitting the wing root pins.
Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two
large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each side,
although they are VERY tight.
When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of
jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the
starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't
line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on the
starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up.
I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top
and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad contact
with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building
buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one.
If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it.
Right?
It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those
lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard
wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we do
get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out.
Any help is much appreciated.
Dan Bish
Kit A144
Tucson, AZ, USA
Mono, short wing.
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Subject: | Trouble fitting wings to fuselage |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Dan,
You might check your forward pins to see if they are not bottoming out in
the socket.
Bob Berube
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Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi everybody,
I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the
fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation.
The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and snug.
Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to
insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while trial
positioning and fitting the wing root pins.
Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two
large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each side,
although they are VERY tight.
When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of
jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the
starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't
line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on the
starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up.
I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top
and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad contact
with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building
buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one.
If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it.
Right?
It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those
lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard
wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we do
get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out.
Any help is much appreciated.
Dan Bish
Kit A144
Tucson, AZ, USA
Mono, short wing.
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Subject: | Trouble fitting wings to fuselage |
--> Europa-List message posted by: terrys@cisco.com
Hi,
We had a similar problem, which turned out to be interference with the
fuel tank. We had installed our tank too low, based on an error in the
manual that was later corrected. The Starboard wing spar would hit the
lower part of the tank shelf (overhang?). Our solution was to build a
special wedge jig and heat gun nozzle arrangement that heated and
modified the shape of the tank in that area.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
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Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi everybody,
I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into
the fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my
situation.
The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and
snug.
Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to
insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while
trial positioning and fitting the wing root pins.
Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two
large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each
side, although they are VERY tight.
When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of
jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the
starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just
won't line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the
one on the starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to
line up.
I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the
top and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad
contact with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves.
My building buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our
heads on this one.
If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it.
Right?
It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as
those lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the
starboard wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up.
Even if we do get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and
out.
Any help is much appreciated.
Dan Bish
Kit A144
Tucson, AZ, USA
Mono, short wing.
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Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Dan,
Start off by removing the resin in the ID of the spar bushes, that
should make the pins easy to insert in the spars out of the CM.
Thats the start, then you must take a good look at the bushes in the
cockpit module- whether theyre in the right spot and if not reglue one
at least.
As far as I remember I still had some bother when I stopped building in
03- so I still need to get to the bottom of this one.
Waiting to get started again,
Alex, kit 529
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Subject: | Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "DJGeldermann" <djgeldermann@cox.net>
Dan,
I got to the exact same point as you and had the same problem last fall (It
was off by about 1/16" on the starboard side). I haven't tried to fit the
wings, but I wonderd if one or both of the aileron bellcranks (W16) on the
wing spars were contacting the aileron bellcrank in the fuselage just a
fraction of an inch too soon. Everything looks clear with no obvious
obstruction. My plan is too remove the aileron W16 brackets on the spars
for the next trial fit too see if it all goes together as intended. If so,
I'll relocate the aileron bellcrank on the spar by a small amount. I'm
hoping it's just the starboard one.
I'm watching all the responses to this one with high interest.
Dan Geldermann
A-139
N918DJ
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From: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
>
> I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the
> fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation.
>
>
> The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and
> snug.
> Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to
> insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while
> trial
> positioning and fitting the wing root pins.
>
>
> Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two
> large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each
> side,
> although they are VERY tight.
>
>
> When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of
> jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the
> starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't
> line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on
> the
> starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up.
>
>
> I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top
> and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad
> contact
> with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building
> buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one.
> If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it.
> Right?
>
>
> It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those
> lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard
> wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we
> do
> get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out.
>
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
>
> Dan Bish
>
> Kit A144
>
> Tucson, AZ, USA
>
> Mono, short wing.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Trouble fitting wings to fuselage |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Dan
I had some difficulty with the ends of the spars being too tight in the
sockets. It is difficult to assess but very necessary. All I can
suggest is to put some engineers blue on the inside of the sockets and
do some trial fitting to identify where the spars are tight. Mine just
needed such a small amount sanding off one nose and bingo. I have since
had the starboard position socket (for the port spa) removed and top and
bottom guide ramp extensions welded on to assist with single person
rigging and so replaced it afresh .....they are still snug and need
quite a shove to get them home.
I seem to remember that the clear depth of the front sockets was an
issue too. I still need to really press each wing (starting with the
starboard) tight into the fuselage aft to first get the lift pip pins
in, then push each wing tip forward before I can get the main spar pins
in again with the starboard one first using a rubber mallet!(carefully
hitting the head of the pin not the handle part, they break easily !) I
have two main spar pip pins not the factory supplied welded bolt
arrangement.
Lots of grease on all the pins, sockets and bushes does wonders too.
It is also very necessary to ensure that the flap drive "rose bearing"
bushes are free to self align, if they are jammed in their full travel
position they will not allow the flap drive pin to access their hole.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
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Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi everybody,
I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into
the
fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation.
The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and
snug.
Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to
insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while
trial
positioning and fitting the wing root pins.
Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two
large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each
side,
although they are VERY tight.
When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of
jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the
starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just
won't
line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on
the
starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up.
I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the
top
and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad
contact
with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My
building
buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this
one.
If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it.
Right?
It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as
those
lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the
starboard
wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if
we do
get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out.
Any help is much appreciated.
Dan Bish
Kit A144
Tucson, AZ, USA
Mono, short wing.
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