---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/26/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:40 AM - Re: 914 Waste Gate (BEBERRY@aol.com) 2. 01:10 AM - Re: micro Monitor Tach input (paul atkinson) 3. 01:10 AM - Alternater Warning light. (paul atkinson) 4. 01:17 AM - Re: Trigear finger Brakes (G-IANI) 5. 03:28 AM - Re: Trigear finger Brakes (ivor.phillips) 6. 11:26 AM - Re: Alternater Warning light. (Fred Fillinger) 7. 02:17 PM - rudder pedal movement (Mike Gamble) 8. 02:59 PM - Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (N914RB) 9. 04:02 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (Robert Berube) 10. 04:13 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (terrys@cisco.com) 11. 04:15 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (Alex Kaarsberg) 12. 06:31 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (DJGeldermann) 13. 11:47 PM - Re: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage (R.C.Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:44 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Waste Gate --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com The email from Matt Carpenter is useful but other Recent correspondence about 914s and wastegates, bears out my suspicion that Rotax have not issued any specific detailed instructions about the operation of the wastegate and particularly the most important part - pre flight checks and inspections. I have downloaded masses of info from the Rotax and Europa sites but can find nothing specific relating to wastegates. Maybe I have not looked in the right places but can anyone point me in the right direction?. The information would appear to be needed by a lot of 914 owners. Patrick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:30 AM PST US From: "paul atkinson" Subject: Europa-List: re: micro Monitor Tach input --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" Thanks to Alfred, Steve and Cliff. Paul Atkinson do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Alternater Warning light. From: "paul atkinson" --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" I can't find any description of this in my Rotax 912s manuals. Am I looking in the rong place? Am I right in thinking that it will indicate a high and low voltage condition. If so how does it distinguish between the two and what voltages bring the light on? Any advice gratefully recieved. Paul Atkinson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:35 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear finger Brakes --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" Has anyone in the UK got a Trigear finger brake (The shiny alum one) repair kit (the rubbers) which they would be prepared to let me have. I will be pleased to replace this with a new kit from the US when this arrives. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com Tel 01483 714096 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:36 AM PST US From: "ivor.phillips" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trigear finger Brakes --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" Ian there is a set in the post to you regards Ivor Phillips XS486 London UK > > Has anyone in the UK got a Trigear finger brake (The shiny alum one) > repair > kit (the rubbers) which they would be prepared to let me have. > Ian > Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:45 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Alternater Warning light. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson": > > I can't find any description of this in my Rotax 912s manuals. > Am I looking in the rong place? > Am I right in thinking that it will indicate a high and low voltage > condition. If so how does it distinguish between the two and > what voltages bring the light on? > Going by only the schematic and the datasheet for the transistor which turns on the lamp --- it doesn't sense any level of voltage, per se. All the lamp circuit reliably appears to do is -- when both of the semiconductors which do the principal work of the regulator are working, the lamp will be dark. If one or both of those semiconductor devices fail, the lamp will probably light. It doesn't appear able to indicate whether a component failure is due to either a low or high voltage condition, and least likely the latter, seems to me. Conversely, it appears also that a dark lamp could happen even in a low or high voltage condition. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:37 PM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Europa-List: rudder pedal movement --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" Ron, Stephen & Dean. Thanks for your input.Like most other operations it seems that some modification is required here. I shall probably bend the s/steel rearwards and cover the resultant gaps with something or other. - I was quite proud of my 4piece firewall and the way it all fitted together. Now I guess I must chop it up to clear the arms....oh well! Regarding rudder pedal travel - am I right in thinking that the total fore and aft pedal movement is only about 3 inches to get 30 deg. deflection from the neutral position? Also how far back from the front of the footwell are the pedals when in this so called neutral position? Because of the geometry the pedal tops will only be level with each other at one point I think. Mike Gamble XS 440 mono ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:26 PM PST US From: "N914RB" Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" Hi everybody, I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation. The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and snug. Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while trial positioning and fitting the wing root pins. Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each side, although they are VERY tight. When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on the starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up. I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad contact with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one. If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it. Right? It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we do get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out. Any help is much appreciated. Dan Bish Kit A144 Tucson, AZ, USA Mono, short wing. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:32 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Dan, You might check your forward pins to see if they are not bottoming out in the socket. Bob Berube -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N914RB Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" Hi everybody, I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation. The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and snug. Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while trial positioning and fitting the wing root pins. Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each side, although they are VERY tight. When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on the starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up. I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad contact with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one. If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it. Right? It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we do get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out. Any help is much appreciated. Dan Bish Kit A144 Tucson, AZ, USA Mono, short wing. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:32 PM PST US From: terrys@cisco.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: terrys@cisco.com Hi, We had a similar problem, which turned out to be interference with the fuel tank. We had installed our tank too low, based on an error in the manual that was later corrected. The Starboard wing spar would hit the lower part of the tank shelf (overhang?). Our solution was to build a special wedge jig and heat gun nozzle arrangement that heated and modified the shape of the tank in that area. Regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N914RB Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" Hi everybody, I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation. The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and snug. Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while trial positioning and fitting the wing root pins. Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each side, although they are VERY tight. When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on the starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up. I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad contact with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one. If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it. Right? It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we do get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out. Any help is much appreciated. Dan Bish Kit A144 Tucson, AZ, USA Mono, short wing. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:43 PM PST US Received-SPF: pass (mubende.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.8; envelope-from=kaarsber@terra.com.br; helo=terra.com.br; (authenticated user kaarsber) From: Alex Kaarsberg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg Dan, Start off by removing the resin in the ID of the spar bushes, that should make the pins easy to insert in the spars out of the CM. Thats the start, then you must take a good look at the bushes in the cockpit module- whether theyre in the right spot and if not reglue one at least. As far as I remember I still had some bother when I stopped building in 03- so I still need to get to the bottom of this one. Waiting to get started again, Alex, kit 529 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:48 PM PST US From: "DJGeldermann" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: "DJGeldermann" Dan, I got to the exact same point as you and had the same problem last fall (It was off by about 1/16" on the starboard side). I haven't tried to fit the wings, but I wonderd if one or both of the aileron bellcranks (W16) on the wing spars were contacting the aileron bellcrank in the fuselage just a fraction of an inch too soon. Everything looks clear with no obvious obstruction. My plan is too remove the aileron W16 brackets on the spars for the next trial fit too see if it all goes together as intended. If so, I'll relocate the aileron bellcrank on the spar by a small amount. I'm hoping it's just the starboard one. I'm watching all the responses to this one with high interest. Dan Geldermann A-139 N918DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "N914RB" Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage > --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" > > Hi everybody, > > > I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the > fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation. > > > The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and > snug. > Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to > insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while > trial > positioning and fitting the wing root pins. > > > Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two > large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each > side, > although they are VERY tight. > > > When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of > jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the > starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't > line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on > the > starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up. > > > I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top > and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad > contact > with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building > buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one. > If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it. > Right? > > > It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those > lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard > wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we > do > get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out. > > > Any help is much appreciated. > > > Dan Bish > > Kit A144 > > Tucson, AZ, USA > > Mono, short wing. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:53 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Dan I had some difficulty with the ends of the spars being too tight in the sockets. It is difficult to assess but very necessary. All I can suggest is to put some engineers blue on the inside of the sockets and do some trial fitting to identify where the spars are tight. Mine just needed such a small amount sanding off one nose and bingo. I have since had the starboard position socket (for the port spa) removed and top and bottom guide ramp extensions welded on to assist with single person rigging and so replaced it afresh .....they are still snug and need quite a shove to get them home. I seem to remember that the clear depth of the front sockets was an issue too. I still need to really press each wing (starting with the starboard) tight into the fuselage aft to first get the lift pip pins in, then push each wing tip forward before I can get the main spar pins in again with the starboard one first using a rubber mallet!(carefully hitting the head of the pin not the handle part, they break easily !) I have two main spar pip pins not the factory supplied welded bolt arrangement. Lots of grease on all the pins, sockets and bushes does wonders too. It is also very necessary to ensure that the flap drive "rose bearing" bushes are free to self align, if they are jammed in their full travel position they will not allow the flap drive pin to access their hole. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N914RB Subject: Europa-List: Trouble fitting wings to fuselage --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" Hi everybody, I found a thread in the archives about trouble fitting the wings into the fuselage but didn't come up with anything that addressed my situation. The cockpit module is installed and I have the top temporarily on and snug. Following the instructions to set the wing incidence, I've attempted to insert the wings and insert the pins to hold everything in place while trial positioning and fitting the wing root pins. Outside the fuselage, the wing bushings line up fine, and using the two large pins supplied, can get them to go through both bushings on each side, although they are VERY tight. When installing the wings on the plane, however, it takes quite a bit of jiggling to get the port pin to go in the hole, then upon inserting the starboard wing and shoving it in as far as possible, the holes just won't line up. It'll go through the hole on the port spar, but not the one on the starboard spar. It's about 1/8" shy of going in enough to line up. I've reduced material at the end of both spars, removed a bit off the top and bottom of certain areas of the spar that seemed to be making bad contact with the fuselage opening, and sanded the openings themselves. My building buddy, another Europa builder, and I are scratching our heads on this one. If they go together outside the fuse, they should go together inside it. Right? It can't be where the holes are located inside the cockpit module as those lines up fine with the first spar bushing. We just can't get the starboard wing to go in enough for the bushings on that spar to line up. Even if we do get them lined up, it's a bear to get those pins in and out. Any help is much appreciated. Dan Bish Kit A144 Tucson, AZ, USA Mono, short wing.