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     1. 01:48 AM - Re: Rougham (Alan Burrows)
     2. 01:49 AM - First Flight N241BW (Graham Singleton)
     3. 02:35 AM - FW: Bad day at work? (Alan Burrows)
     4. 03:36 AM - Re: Rougham (William Mills)
     5. 04:41 AM - Re: Arplast Prop.PV50 (SCHERF, Michael)
     6. 07:40 AM - Re: FW: Bad day at work? (Paul Boulet)
     7. 07:45 AM - Insurance (Flying Farmer)
     8. 08:19 AM - Re: Insurance (Bob Fairall)
     9. 09:26 AM - Re: Insurance (Flying Farmer)
    10. 10:16 AM - Re: Arplast Prop.PV50 (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    11. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Richard Iddon)
    12. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Alan Milner)
    13. 10:43 AM - Re: Insurance (Flying Farmer)
    14. 10:44 AM - Monowheel Up stop, free material! (Ronald J. Parigoris)
    15. 01:48 PM - Re: Monowheel Up stop, free material! (BEBERRY@AOL.COM)
    16. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (Pete Lawless)
 
 
 
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
      
      Can someone tell me where Rougham is??
      I tried to find it on my Navbox program without success
      
      Alan
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
      Clarke
      Subject: Europa-List: Rougham
      
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke 
      --> <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
      
      Hi All,
      Anyone thinking of visiting Rougham this weekend ( 1st & 2nd)
      I am looking at Sun.
      Cheers,
      Paddy Clarke
      
      Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | First Flight N241BW | 
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
      
       First Flight N241BW
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
      
      Europa XS N241BW, A185 took to the skies Sunday, Oct 2, 2005 at 1615 Zulu.  Jim
      flew the plane for about 10 minutes, basically around the pattern.  It handles
      and flies nicely!  We do have some cooling issues to address.  Jim & Heather
      will take turns completing the 40 hrs of flight test.
      
      
      For Rowland ... the flight took place at Almena Airport, Michigan (2C5).  It weighs
      in at 960 lbs (heavier than we had hoped).  
      
      Jim & Heather Butcher
      
      Jim * Heather
      
      Congratulations and welcome to the ones who get to climb into their dream, :-)
      
      
      Just be aware that its a taildragger, but different. Avoid crosswinds or other
      demanding situations until you are really comfortable and keep the all up weight
      down until you really know the plane and its systems. All airplanes are different
      and less forgiving when heavy.
      
      Graham
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | FW: Bad day at work? | 
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
      
      Its off subject I know, but please excuse me for it:-)
      
      
      Bad day at work!
      
      Next time you have a bad day at work, think of this guy........Rob is a
      commercial saturation diver for Global Divers in Mayo He performs
      underwater repairs on offshore drilling rigs. Below is an email he sent
      to his sister. She then sent it to RnaG (Irish radio station) in Galway,
      who was sponsoring a worst job experience contest. Needless to say, she
      won.
      
      Hi Sue,
      
      Just another note from your bottom-dwelling brother. Last week I had a
      bad day at the office. I know you've been feeling down lately at work,
      so thought I would share my dilemma with you to make you realize it's
      not so bad after all.
      
      Before I can tell you what happened to me, I first must bore you with a
      few technicalities of my job. As you know, my office lies at the bottom
      of the sea. I wear a suit to the office. It's a wet suit. This time of
      year the water is quite cool. So what we do to keep warm is this: We
      have a diesel powered industrial water heater. This 20,000 piece of
      equipment sucks the water out of the sea. It heats it to a delightful
      temperature. It then pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose,
      which is taped to the air hose Now this sounds like a darn good plan,
      and I've used it several times with no complaints. hat I do, when I get
      to the bottom and start working, is take the hose and stuff it down the
      back of my wet suit. This floods my whole suit with warm water. It's
      like working in a Jacuzzi.
      
      Everything was going well until all of sudden, my butt started to itch.
      So, of course, I scratched it. This only made things worse. Within a few
      seconds my butt started to burn. I pulled the hose out from my back, but
      the damage was done. In agony I realized what had happened. The hot
      water machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped it into my suit.
      
      Now, since I don't have any hair on my back, the jellyfish couldn't
      stick to it. However, the crack of my ar@e was not as fortunate. When I
      scratched what I thought was an itch, I was actually grinding the
      jellyfish into the crack of my ar *e . I informed the dive supervisor of
      my dilemma over the communicator. His instructions were unclear due to
      the fact that he, along with five other divers, were all laughing
      hysterically.
      
      Needless to say I aborted the dive. I was instructed to make three
      agonizing in-water decompression stops totalling thirty-five minutes
      before I could reach the surface to begin my chamber dry decompression.
      
      When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing nothing but my brass
      helmet. As I climbed out of the water, the medic, with tears of laughter
      running down his face, handed me a tube of cream and told me to rub it
      on my ar * e as soon as I got in the chamber.
      
      The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't poop for two days because my
      hole was swollen shut.
      
      So, next time you're having a bad day at work, think about how much
      worse it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved up your backside. Now
      repeat to yourself, "I love my job, I love my job, I love my job."
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
      
      Bit of a long way for you, Alan.  It is 2 miles east of Bury St Edmunds in 
      Suffolk.  It is on the latest 1/2 mil, but not in Pooleys.  Six Europas made 
      it.
      Best wishes,
      William
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
      Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rougham
      
      
      > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" 
      > <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
      >
      > Can someone tell me where Rougham is??
      > I tried to find it on my Navbox program without success
      >
      > Alan
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
      > Clarke
      > To: europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Europa-List: Rougham
      >
      >
      > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke
      > --> <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
      >
      > Hi All,
      > Anyone thinking of visiting Rougham this weekend ( 1st & 2nd)
      > I am looking at Sun.
      > Cheers,
      > Paddy Clarke
      >
      > Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Arplast Prop.PV50 | 
       <CF5EEA66AA042B4C819BFB583EB88EE49D8B3B@FR0-MAILMB21.res.airbus.corp>
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "SCHERF, Michael" <michael.scherf@airbus.com>
      
      
      Many thanks, Patrick, for your comment.
      Would defenitively appreciate some photos to imagine this installation.
      Any effect you expect or experienced already with cutting a hole into the air shroud?
      Or isn't there such shroud on the 914 at all?
      Regards
      Michael
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
      BEBERRY@aol.com
      Subject: Re: Europa-List: Arplast Prop.PV50
      
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
      
          
      
      Michael - I have just fitted a PV50 to a 914 and I think there is  very
      little difference.  The control unit fits onto the two bolt  holes on top of the
      engine block and I found it necessary to raise the  coolant filler and extend
      one of the hoses.  I then made a protective  aluminium shield to bolt over the
      top of the controller so that the  coolant filler sits on this. It has a rubber
      pad on the lower side,  presumably for this very purpose.
      
      When I next go to my aircraft I will take a photo to send to  you.
      
      Good luck Patrick
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FW: Bad day at work? | 
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
      
      LOL... thank you for making my Monday bright.  I'm
      laughing my ar*e off!
      
      Paul Boulet, N914PB
      Malibu, CA
      do not archive
      
      --- Alan Burrows <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> wrote:
      
      > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
      > <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
      > 
      > Its off subject I know, but please excuse me for
      > it:-)
      > 
      > 
      > Bad day at work!
      > 
      > Next time you have a bad day at work, think of this
      > guy........Rob is a
      > commercial saturation diver for Global Divers in
      > Mayo He performs
      > underwater repairs on offshore drilling rigs. Below
      > is an email he sent
      > to his sister. She then sent it to RnaG (Irish radio
      > station) in Galway,
      > who was sponsoring a worst job experience contest.
      > Needless to say, she
      > won.
      > 
      > Hi Sue,
      > 
      > Just another note from your bottom-dwelling brother.
      > Last week I had a
      > bad day at the office. I know you've been feeling
      > down lately at work,
      > so thought I would share my dilemma with you to make
      > you realize it's
      > not so bad after all.
      > 
      > Before I can tell you what happened to me, I first
      > must bore you with a
      > few technicalities of my job. As you know, my office
      > lies at the bottom
      > of the sea. I wear a suit to the office. It's a wet
      > suit. This time of
      > year the water is quite cool. So what we do to keep
      > warm is this: We
      > have a diesel powered industrial water heater. This
      > 20,000 piece of
      > equipment sucks the water out of the sea. It heats
      > it to a delightful
      > temperature. It then pumps it down to the diver
      > through a garden hose,
      > which is taped to the air hose Now this sounds like
      > a darn good plan,
      > and I've used it several times with no complaints.
      > hat I do, when I get
      > to the bottom and start working, is take the hose
      > and stuff it down the
      > back of my wet suit. This floods my whole suit with
      > warm water. It's
      > like working in a Jacuzzi.
      > 
      > Everything was going well until all of sudden, my
      > butt started to itch.
      > So, of course, I scratched it. This only made things
      > worse. Within a few
      > seconds my butt started to burn. I pulled the hose
      > out from my back, but
      > the damage was done. In agony I realized what had
      > happened. The hot
      > water machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped
      > it into my suit.
      > 
      > Now, since I don't have any hair on my back, the
      > jellyfish couldn't
      > stick to it. However, the crack of my ar@e was not
      > as fortunate. When I
      > scratched what I thought was an itch, I was actually
      > grinding the
      > jellyfish into the crack of my ar *e . I informed
      > the dive supervisor of
      > my dilemma over the communicator. His instructions
      > were unclear due to
      > the fact that he, along with five other divers, were
      > all laughing
      > hysterically.
      > 
      > Needless to say I aborted the dive. I was instructed
      > to make three
      > agonizing in-water decompression stops totalling
      > thirty-five minutes
      > before I could reach the surface to begin my chamber
      > dry decompression.
      > 
      > When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing nothing
      > but my brass
      > helmet. As I climbed out of the water, the medic,
      > with tears of laughter
      > running down his face, handed me a tube of cream and
      > told me to rub it
      > on my ar * e as soon as I got in the chamber.
      > 
      > The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't poop for
      > two days because my
      > hole was swollen shut.
      > 
      > So, next time you're having a bad day at work, think
      > about how much
      > worse it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved up
      > your backside. Now
      > repeat to yourself, "I love my job, I love my job, I
      > love my job."
      > 
      > 
      >
      > browse
      > Subscriptions page,
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      >
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
      
      Just a quick question about insurance? Well 2 questions.
      
      Im getting ready to start my new project this coming January, My question is can
      someone possibly advise me on a company which will insure my new project as
      I build, as accidents do happen.
      
      Question 2. Which company can you recommend for a completed Europa project, and
      do they have a minimum hours policy before you can insurance?
      
      This is just for the UK, 
      
      Thanx in advance
      ----------------
      Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Fairall" <b_fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
      
      I'm with Jennings ( 0208 680 0688 / cover@jenningsinsure.co.uk )and have
      been for some years and have found them very good. I suspect there may be
      cheaper around, but if you want peace of mind ......
      
      Also important I found, is that their policy includes vehicle and trailer
      cover while on the airfield (in my case, Redhill.) This may not apply if you
      fly from a farm strip, but if you drive onto an airfield your car insurance
      becomes, so I understand from knowledgeable types, invalid.
      
      So if you reverse your pride and joy on it's trailer into the recently
      refurbished flying club Cessna 172, you're not only going to be about as
      popular as a dose of the clap, you're also going to be personally liable for
      the damage! I didn't fancy the idea of that and asked Jennings to extend my
      cover accordingly, which they did at no extra charge!
      
      Even if you don't trailer your aircraft onto the airfield, if you fill from
      cans sooner or later I'm sure you will end up driving onto the airfield and
      you need insurance cover!
      
      Bob Fairall
      
      Europa 71, flying and insured with Jennings, Europa 494 being built and
      insured with Jennings and, as if to prove I've totally lost it, the ex John
      Ashby Slepcev Storch, flying and insured with Jennings!
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Flying
      Farmer
      Subject: Europa-List: Insurance
      
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer"
      <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
      
      Just a quick question about insurance? Well 2 questions.
      
      Im getting ready to start my new project this coming January, My question is
      can someone possibly advise me on a company which will insure my new project
      as I build, as accidents do happen.
      
      Question 2. Which company can you recommend for a completed Europa project,
      and do they have a minimum hours policy before you can insurance?
      
      This is just for the UK,
      
      Thanx in advance
      ----------------
      Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
      
      Bob,
        ThanX for you quick reply, I have just spoke with Jennings and They will insure
      my new project from a starting cost of 139 for stage one of the project.
      
      They also answered all my other questions, VERY VERY Helpful
      
      Thanx for your time.
      
      If any one El's knows of other insurance companies who I can get a quote from I
      would be great full
      
      Thanx in Advance
      ----------------
      Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Arplast Prop.PV50 | 
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
      
           
      
      Michael.  There is no air shroud.  My unit sits behind the  vacuum pump on 
      top of the engine.
      
      I will get around to the photos next time I get to the aircraft, in  the next 
      few days.
      
      Best wishes.   Patrick
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
      
      I have recently switched to Traffords and found them quite flexible and
      helpful. 
      
      http://www.traffordsinsurance.co.uk/
      
      Richard Iddon G-RIXS
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying
      Farmer
      Subject: Europa-List: RE: Insurance
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer"
      <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
      
      Bob,
        ThanX for you quick reply, I have just spoke with Jennings and They
      will insure my new project from a starting cost of 139 for stage one of
      the project.
      
      They also answered all my other questions, VERY VERY Helpful
      
      Thanx for your time.
      
      If any one El's knows of other insurance companies who I can get a quote
      from I would be great full
      
      Thanx in Advance
      ----------------
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Milner" <alan_milner@totalise.co.uk>
      
      I used Traffords -  it was about 1% of the hull value at the end of the
      insurance period.  Jennings looks comparable.
      
      Alan
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Flying
      Farmer
      Subject: Europa-List: RE: Insurance
      
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer"
      <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
      
      Bob,
        ThanX for you quick reply, I have just spoke with Jennings and They will
      insure my new project from a starting cost of 139 for stage one of the
      project.
      
      They also answered all my other questions, VERY VERY Helpful
      
      Thanx for your time.
      
      If any one El's knows of other insurance companies who I can get a quote
      from I would be great full
      
      Thanx in Advance
      ----------------
      Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
      
      Thanx Richard,
         I will give them a call tomorrow
      
      Richard Wheelwright
      ----------------
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| Subject:  | Monowheel Up stop, free material! | 
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
      
      Worked on upstop over the weekend. Executive decision was to attempt to make stop
      strong enough to have a chance of holding the aircraft in event of gear up
      or collapse and allow the wheel to rotate.
      
      Ends up we have some custom aluminium extrusion U channel that seems bout perfect
      for the job.
      
      Anyone who may want to install such a stop please contact me.
      
      We cut off 1 end of the channel, so now have a nice L bracket. The part that contacts
      the swingarm is 1/4" thick, made it bout 1.125" wide and the rest is 3/16"
      thick, bout 3 1/2" x 4 1/4" and drilled 25 3/8" holes
      countersunk on both sides, that will act as 25 composite rivets. The center of
      stop hits swingarm just forward of the tire, and the aluminium goes up from there.
      The tunnel will be cut out and the aluminium inserted
      and glassed both sides in place. Then a piece of 3/4" birch marine plywood 4 1/4"
      tall with 2 large holed cut out and filled with foam will be glassed in place
      resting on top of stops. The ends of the ply triangulate
      the l bracket, and cross bracing provided should greatly improve overall strength.
      
      The plywood  is bout half way between the front of the tire and the top of the
      shocks, which is resting exact half way between the 1/4" aluminium stops when
      the tire is pushed up bout 3/8" up from resting on the up
      gate.
      
      I hope I never actual learn if this stop is strong enough.
      
      Ron Parigoris
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Monowheel Up stop, free material! | 
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
      
           
      
      There are those among us who remember the Anson.  With a total  failure of 
      undercarriage to lock down, it could be landed on those bits of  the wheels 
      which protruded in much the same way as the monowheel. So a  stop in the 
      appropriate place would seem to be a good idea.
      
      Patrick
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
      
      I currently use Traffords, they are marginally cheaper than Jennings for
      me.  I used Jennings for several years but they removed airside cover
      for my car from the policy 2 years ago on renewal so I changed to
      Traffords.  Nothing to choose between the 2 for service they both seem
      excellent - though I have not had a claim (yet!).
      
      Pete
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying
      Farmer
      Subject: Europa-List: RE: Insurance
      
      
      --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" 
      --> <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
      
      Thanx Richard,
         I will give them a call tomorrow
      
      Richard Wheelwright
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      30/09/2005
      
      
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      30/09/2005
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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