Europa-List Digest Archive

Fri 10/07/05


Total Messages Posted: 21



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:04 AM - Re: VDO Sensor Information (ivor.phillips)
     2. 02:48 AM - Water corrosion? (Richard Iddon)
     3. 02:59 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (BEBERRY@aol.com)
     4. 03:10 AM - Re: Will landing Monowheel with flat hurt prop? (Carl Pattinson)
     5. 03:58 AM - Spark plugs (BEBERRY@aol.com)
     6. 04:13 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (Tim Weert)
     7. 04:38 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (William Mills)
     8. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Water corrosion? (Chris Beck)
     9. 05:39 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    10. 05:57 AM - Re: Spark plugs (Geoff Leedham)
    11. 06:04 AM - Re: Spark plugs (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    12. 07:05 AM - 914 oil filters (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
    13. 08:24 AM - Re: 914 oil filters (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    14. 08:28 AM - Re: Spark plugs (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    15. 08:39 AM - Spark Plugs for 914 (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    16. 10:38 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (Richard Iddon)
    17. 11:37 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (William Mills)
    18. 12:48 PM - Re: Water corrosion? (Duncan McFadyean)
    19. 02:56 PM - Re: Water corrosion? (Richard Iddon)
    20. 04:37 PM - Re: Water corrosion? (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com)
    21. 04:51 PM - Re: Softening the blow (JR(Bob) Gowing)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:04:08 AM PST US
    From: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: VDO Sensor Information
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com> Try this Ferg http://www.sso-usa.com/performance/TechnicalSupport/index.html Ivor Phillips My computor says this page cannot be > found......................? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> > To: "europalist" <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: VDO Sensor Information > > >


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    Time: 02:48:11 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls (Rotax 912S) and found a white liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol, in the bottom of one. When I emptied it out there is an area of corrosion in the bottom of the bowl. I have also cleaned the fuel filters and found a similar deposit in one and this also has attacked an aluminium collar. Is this likely to be just water or have I got something more nasty in my tank at some point? Richard Iddon G-RIXS


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    Time: 02:59:17 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Message from Richard Iddon...I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls (Rotax 912S) and found a white liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol ..... Richard, After a lot of running problems I have recently stripped the carbs and found the bowls to contain a considerable quantity of a white substance - almost like that deposited by hard water, but much more powdery and soft. The aircraft has not been flown for some months while under maintenance. I have cleaned out the bowls and jets (slow running jets completely blocked) and found no corrosion, but no-one appears to be able to help in suggesting where the white powdery substance came from in the first place. The engine has been run on mogas only for the last year. Any responses and suggestions of cause and future preventitive measures will be welcomed. Patrick 914 G PUDS


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    Time: 03:10:29 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Will landing Monowheel with flat hurt prop?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> Have you tried using "slime" in your tyre. That way if you sustain a puncture/ leak it is self sealing. In the UK it is available in most cycle stores. I have also used it on my car (tubeless tyres) and it is brilliant stuff. If you overdo on cars it can throw out the tyre balance but I have never had that problem myself. Also a good idea with the trailer tyres. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Will landing Monowheel with flat hurt prop? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > Hi all, > > I had my tyre deflate on landing once, so I can say for sure that the prop > won't hit the ground. The landing roll is real short as well !! > > The tyre had rubbed through due to being kept at 18 psi and the landing > must > have stretched the tube enough for it to deflate. I now change the tube > every year as a preventative measure. > > Paul > > do not archive > > >


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    Time: 03:58:09 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Spark plugs
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Can anyone help please with info on what type of plugs they use in a 914? I have 8x 18mm plugs and the u.k. suppliers only have 12mm plugs.! Local a/c engineer tells me that straight forward auto plugs of the right size are o.k. Any comments? Would be a hell of a cost saving if this was the case! Patrick


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    Time: 04:13:26 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> Hi Richard and Patrick, I had the same experience in the 914 carbbowl from my aircraft after collecting it from the administrator. According the mechanic who checked my carb bowls, the white deposit is corrosion caused by waterparticles in the fuel. He cleaned the bowls, checked the parts in the bowl and told me that it's important to have an effective water separator in the fuelline. But; my bird has a gascolator in the fuelline (!!), still there could come water in the bowls. But in the Tech Log (G-KITZ) I discovered that KW didn't fly the bird much in the last 6 month of EMIL's life, and according the information I received the bird was parked somewere outside on a field called Connington. My be that could be one explanation... parking in open air. Regards, Tim Weert. Heerhugowaard Holland #460 PH-JAI TG/XS 914 AP332 ----- Original Message ----- From: <BEBERRY@aol.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com > > > Message from Richard Iddon...I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls > (Rotax > 912S) and found a white liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol > ..... > > Richard, > > After a lot of running problems I have recently stripped the carbs and > found > the bowls to contain a considerable quantity of a white substance - > almost > like that deposited by hard water, but much more powdery and soft. The > aircraft has not been flown for some months while under maintenance. I > have > cleaned out the bowls and jets (slow running jets completely blocked) and > found no > corrosion, but no-one appears to be able to help in suggesting where the > white powdery substance came from in the first place. The engine has > been run > on mogas only for the last year. > > Any responses and suggestions of cause and future preventitive measures > will > be welcomed. > > Patrick 914 G PUDS > > >


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    Time: 04:38:04 AM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com> Hi Richard, Did you find it in the stb'd fuel filter and if so have you used your reserve lately? If you have, it might have gone in with some dirty 100LL on the Continent. It is a bit strange you found it in only one carb, unless the feed pipe from the Tee junction goes down hill in that particular direction. It will be interesting to hear the outcome. Best wishes, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Subject: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > > I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls (Rotax 912S) and found a white > liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol, in the bottom of one. > When I emptied it out there is an area of corrosion in the bottom of the > bowl. I have also cleaned the fuel filters and found a similar deposit > in one and this also has attacked an aluminium collar. Is this likely > to be just water or have I got something more nasty in my tank at some > point? > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS > > >


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    Time: 05:34:45 AM PST US
    From: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net> From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion? After a lot of running problems I have recently stripped the carbs and found the bowls to contain a considerable quantity of a white substance - almost like that deposited by hard water, but much more powdery and soft. The aircraft has not been flown for some months while under maintenance. I have cleaned out the bowls and jets (slow running jets completely blocked) and found no corrosion, but no-one appears to be able to help in suggesting where the white powdery substance came from in the first place. The engine has been run on mogas only for the last year. Any responses and suggestions of cause and future preventitive measures will be welcomed. Patrick 914 G PUDS ---> White powder is typically aluminum corrosion. It isn't from the gas itself, but merely a product of whatever in the gas is eating the aluminum. I'm guessing that you've got some water in the gas that is settling out in the fuel filter (where it should be collecting) and the carb bowls (where it shouldn't be). The water is then corroding the aluminum. Question, have you checked your mogas supply for alcohol content? Chris A159


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    Time: 05:39:04 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Hi Tim, I think you may well be right. My a/c was parked outside fr a considerable time last winter (unknown to me!), so there may well be a link. It is not actually very difficult to remove the carb bowls to access for cleaning and checking jets so I shall make it a regular maintenance check in future, say every 25 hours. Job should not take more than 45mins. Patrick


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    Time: 05:57:33 AM PST US
    From: "Geoff Leedham" <sideslip@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Spark plugs
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Geoff Leedham" <sideslip@tiscali.co.uk> Hi Patrick The plugs for the 914 are 12mm Nippon Denso part no. X27EPR-U9. I get mine from a local car motor factor who is an agent for ND. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS 914 Trigear ----- Original Message ----- From: <BEBERRY@aol.com> Subject: Europa-List: Spark plugs > --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com > > > Can anyone help please with info on what type of plugs they use in a 914? > I > have 8x 18mm plugs and the u.k. suppliers only have 12mm plugs.! > > Local a/c engineer tells me that straight forward auto plugs of the right > size are o.k. Any comments? Would be a hell of a cost saving if this > was the > case! > > Patrick > > > -- > 04/10/2005 > >


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    Time: 06:04:10 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Spark plugs
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Geoff - Many thanks for that very helpful reply. Where abouts are you? I think we met at Kemble but do not remember what part of the country you flew in from. I shall try to find a local dealer here (South Somerset) but if not will come back to you for more infor. May be able to get them mail order? Best wishes. Patrick G PUDS


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    Time: 07:05:43 AM PST US
    From: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
    Subject: 914 oil filters
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net> Hi All, Does anyone have a part number for the 914 oil filter? My 914 came with a Champion filter (rotax part number) Kevin


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    Time: 08:24:54 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 914 oil filters
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Kevin - the oil filter part No is 825701. Patrick


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    Time: 08:28:38 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Spark plugs
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Hi again Geoff,(et al) Folowing your useful info I just got 8 plugs - NGK as recommended by Rotax, part No. X27EPR-8EA9 - the same as the Nippon Densu X27EPR-U9, which you suggested. =A321.66 (inc Vat), from my local Honda dealer! Patrick


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    Time: 08:39:57 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Spark Plugs for 914
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Hi again Geoff,(et al).. message should have read.... Following your useful info I just got 8 plugs - NGK as recommended by Rotax, part No. X27EPR-8EA9 - the same as the Nippon Densu X27EPR-U9, which you suggested. =A321.66 (inc Vat), from my local Honda dealer! Patrick


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    Time: 10:38:20 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Yes William, it was in the stbd filter but in the port side carb. There is a shorter feed from the 'T' to the port carb than the stbd one. Richard. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion? --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com> Hi Richard, Did you find it in the stb'd fuel filter and if so have you used your reserve lately? If you have, it might have gone in with some dirty 100LL on the Continent. It is a bit strange you found it in only one carb, unless the feed pipe from the Tee junction goes down hill in that particular direction. It will be interesting to hear the outcome. Best wishes, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Subject: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > > I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls (Rotax 912S) and found a white > liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol, in the bottom of one. > When I emptied it out there is an area of corrosion in the bottom of the > bowl. I have also cleaned the fuel filters and found a similar deposit > in one and this also has attacked an aluminium collar. Is this likely > to be just water or have I got something more nasty in my tank at some > point? > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS > > >


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    Time: 11:37:35 AM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com> Sounds like water, then. Perhaps I should check mine, because we all refuelled from the same supplies in France and Switzerland. Best wishes, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > > Yes William, it was in the stbd filter but in the port side carb. There > is a shorter feed from the 'T' to the port carb than the stbd one. > > Richard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William > Mills > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > <william@wrmills.plus.com> > > Hi Richard, > Did you find it in the stb'd fuel filter and if so have you used your > reserve lately? If you have, it might have gone in with some dirty > 100LL on > the Continent. It is a bit strange you found it in only one carb, > unless > the feed pipe from the Tee junction goes down hill in that particular > direction. > It will be interesting to hear the outcome. > Best wishes, > William > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> >> >> I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls (Rotax 912S) and found a white >> liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol, in the bottom of > one. >> When I emptied it out there is an area of corrosion in the bottom of > the >> bowl. I have also cleaned the fuel filters and found a similar deposit >> in one and this also has attacked an aluminium collar. Is this likely >> to be just water or have I got something more nasty in my tank at some >> point? >> >> Richard Iddon G-RIXS >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 12:48:45 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Search for "snot" in the forum archives for more info. about the problem. Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Subject: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > > I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls (Rotax 912S) and found a white > liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol, in the bottom of one. > When I emptied it out there is an area of corrosion in the bottom of the > bowl. I have also cleaned the fuel filters and found a similar deposit > in one and this also has attacked an aluminium collar. Is this likely > to be just water or have I got something more nasty in my tank at some > point? > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:56:53 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Snot a lot to ask Duncan. I'll do it. Richard. Do not archive Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Search for "snot" in the forum archives for more info. about the problem. Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Subject: Europa-List: Water corrosion? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > > I have just emptied my Bing carb bowls (Rotax 912S) and found a white > liquid watery deposit, separated from the petrol, in the bottom of one. > When I emptied it out there is an area of corrosion in the bottom of the > bowl. I have also cleaned the fuel filters and found a similar deposit > in one and this also has attacked an aluminium collar. Is this likely > to be just water or have I got something more nasty in my tank at some > point? > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS


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    Time: 04:37:24 PM PST US
    From: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: Water corrosion?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Richard/ When you find it'snot for us, please let us know. Regards Bryan


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    Time: 04:51:08 PM PST US
    From: "JR(Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Softening the blow
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "JR(Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au> Friends I have suddenly concluded that this bumping is likely to be contributing to loosening the pins in the TP torque tube. Looked at stop today which has fuel hose and it certainly is HARD, so I tried a piece of what looks like soft rubber used for insulating hot water pipes for Aussie houses (for 3/4" OD copper pipe). This was a bit springy and the weight (without TP's fitted) bounced a bit. It seems to me we need some of that seat sponge that deforms but does not immediately spring back. Maybe the best thing is a pilot's hand always on the stick to prevent reaching the stops! Now I think the fuel hose is too hard but haven't found a good replacement. do not archive JR (Bob) Gowing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Softening the blow > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> > > Richard, > From memory I used a bolt and slid some rubber hose onto it to soften the > bump. > Cheers, > Tim > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8005 > New Zealand. > Ph +64 3 3515166 > Mobile 021 0640221 > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: Softening the blow > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > > > > Having just replaced the pins in my tailplane torque tube, and not > > wishing to repeat the process in a hurry, I am looking for a way to > > cushion the bump stops for the mass balance weight to soften the 'clonk' > > as it hits them and, hopefully, reduce the wear on the new pins. I seem > > to recall that someone has replaced the broom handle section with > > something softer but can't remember what. > > > > Can someone refresh my memory? > > > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS > > > > > > > > > -- > >




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