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1. 02:19 AM - Water corrosion? (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:56 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (Tim Weert)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (Gilles Thesee)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (BEBERRY@aol.com)
5. 09:00 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (Fergus Kyle)
6. 09:25 AM - Re: Water corrosion? (Gilles Thesee)
7. 01:11 PM - Sunday 9th Oct. DOTH to Popham (Duncan McFadyean)
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| Subject: | Water corrosion? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
>But; my bird has a gascolator in the fuelline (!!), still there could come
>water in the bowls. But in the Tech Log (G-KITZ) I discovered that KW didn't
>fly the bird much in the last 6 month of EMIL's life,
>and according the information I received the bird was parked somewere
>outside on a field called Connington.
>My be that could be one explanation... parking in open air.
>
>Tim Weert.
>
>
Tim
Check if your gascolator lets water through, if its an Andair it won't
unless wrongly assembled. I know the factory used a cheap gascolator one
time which was not well designed, ACS I think.
Its best to filter out the water before it gets in the tank, a Mister
Funnel will do that, but it is not the same mesh as the Andair, (70
migron) so fine stuff it lets through could still affect the Andair.
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| Subject: | Re: Water corrosion? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Thanks Graham !
I'll put the Andair gascolator on my list for the winter maintenance 05/06.
Regards, Tim.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Water corrosion?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
>
>>But; my bird has a gascolator in the fuelline (!!), still there could come
>>water in the bowls. But in the Tech Log (G-KITZ) I discovered that KW
>>didn't
>>fly the bird much in the last 6 month of EMIL's life,
>>and according the information I received the bird was parked somewere
>>outside on a field called Connington.
>>My be that could be one explanation... parking in open air.
>>
>>Tim Weert.
>>
>>
> Tim
> Check if your gascolator lets water through, if its an Andair it won't
> unless wrongly assembled. I know the factory used a cheap gascolator one
> time which was not well designed, ACS I think.
> Its best to filter out the water before it gets in the tank, a Mister
> Funnel will do that, but it is not the same mesh as the Andair, (70
> migron) so fine stuff it lets through could still affect the Andair.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Water corrosion? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>>Check if your gascolator lets water through, if its an Andair it won't
>>unless wrongly assembled. I know the factory used a cheap gascolator one
>>time which was not well designed, ACS I think.
>>Its best to filter out the water before it gets in the tank, a Mister
>>Funnel will do that, but it is not the same mesh as the Andair, (70
>>migron) so fine stuff it lets through could still affect the Andair.
>>
>>
Gentlemen,
While following the thread on water corrosion, a couple of questions
occurred to me :
- No one seems to mention the golden rule of pre-flight checks : sample
the fuel at the tank(s) drain before moving the aeroplane. Any water
present in the tank sump is thus eliminated before entering fuel lines.
Or does that mean that some Europas don't have such a tank fuel drain ?
- One of the causes mentioned was "filling the tanks on the continent" :
as a continental flyer I was navely thinking the standards in fuel
handling were approximately the same throughout Western Europe. Does
that really mean British pilots consider we are THAT sloppy in handling
aviation fuels ?
In 22 years flying (and draining fuel sumps every flying day) I've never
found the slightest water dropplet in my tanks ;-)
In my opinion the most probable cause for Avgas water contamination in
Britain might well be rain in the tanks openings, wether when refuelling
or sitting on the ramp, or moisture condensation.
Just wondering.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Water corrosion? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
In my opinion the most probable cause for Avgas water contamination in
Britain might well be rain in the tanks openings, wether when refuelling
or sitting on the ramp, or moisture condensation.
Just wondering.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee.................................
The cause of water in the fuel tank is almost always condensation - which is
frequent in the British climate. I often have to take a couple of tests to
eliminate water from my Europa and PA28 tanks.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Water corrosion? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Gilles. mon ami,
I think it means they know their own source happily, know they
didnt suck from some remote site, but shared a trip to an unknown source
while on a continental trip. Your mileage may vary.......
Certainly over here in (northern) America, some Canuck sites may
store old fuel as a cashe, and the possiblity of water ingestion is higher.
For that reason I have both water drains (to drain the sitting tanks) and a
gascolator (to drain the fuel lines - tank to engine). Every flight is a
gascolator flight, every storage is both.
Over the horizon attempt to smooth the European feathers.
Cheers, Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion?
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
|
|
| >>Check if your gascolator lets water through, if its an Andair it won't
| >>unless wrongly assembled. I know the factory used a cheap gascolator one
| >>time which was not well designed, ACS I think.
| >>Its best to filter out the water before it gets in the tank, a Mister
| >>Funnel will do that, but it is not the same mesh as the Andair, (70
| >>migron) so fine stuff it lets through could still affect the Andair.
| >>
| >>
| Gentlemen,
|
| While following the thread on water corrosion, a couple of questions
| occurred to me :
|
| - No one seems to mention the golden rule of pre-flight checks : sample
| the fuel at the tank(s) drain before moving the aeroplane. Any water
| present in the tank sump is thus eliminated before entering fuel lines.
| Or does that mean that some Europas don't have such a tank fuel drain ?
|
| - One of the causes mentioned was "filling the tanks on the continent" :
| as a continental flyer I was navely thinking the standards in fuel
| handling were approximately the same throughout Western Europe. Does
| that really mean British pilots consider we are THAT sloppy in handling
| aviation fuels ?
| In 22 years flying (and draining fuel sumps every flying day) I've never
| found the slightest water dropplet in my tanks ;-)
|
| In my opinion the most probable cause for Avgas water contamination in
| Britain might well be rain in the tanks openings, wether when refuelling
| or sitting on the ramp, or moisture condensation.
| Just wondering.
|
| Regards,
| Gilles Thesee
| Grenoble, France
| http://contrails.free.fr
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Water corrosion? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Fergus Kyle a crit :
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>Gilles. mon ami,
> I think it means they know their own source happily, know they
>didnt suck from some remote site, but shared a trip to an unknown source
>while on a continental trip. Your mileage may vary.......
> Certainly over here in (northern) America, some Canuck sites may
>store old fuel as a cashe, and the possiblity of water ingestion is higher.
>For that reason I have both water drains (to drain the sitting tanks) and a
>gascolator (to drain the fuel lines - tank to engine). Every flight is a
>gascolator flight, every storage is both.
> Over the horizon attempt to smooth the European feathers.
>Cheers, Ferg
>
>
>
Fergus,
Thank you for your message.
No feathers ruffled on the old continent ;-)
It's just my taste for tongue-in-cheek comments about British weather...
Best regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Sunday 9th Oct. DOTH to Popham |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
By popular vote (William proposed and I seconded) tomorrow's DOTH will be
the Popham end of season fly-in.
At least 2 will be there for a c.12 noon meet!
Could be your last chance for quite some while.
Duncan Mcf.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Gilles. mon ami,
> I think it means they know their own source happily, know they
> didnt suck from some remote site, but shared a trip to an unknown source
> while on a continental trip. Your mileage may vary.......
> Certainly over here in (northern) America, some Canuck sites
> may
> store old fuel as a cashe, and the possiblity of water ingestion is
> higher.
> For that reason I have both water drains (to drain the sitting tanks) and
> a
> gascolator (to drain the fuel lines - tank to engine). Every flight is a
> gascolator flight, every storage is both.
> Over the horizon attempt to smooth the European feathers.
> Cheers, Ferg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Water corrosion?
>
>
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
> one
>
>
>
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