---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/14/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:47 AM - Re: Angle of Attack (BEBERRY@aol.com) 2. 01:37 AM - Re: Angle of Attack/ Dynon (JR(Bob) Gowing) 3. 02:01 AM - Re: Fw: Evans coolant (ivor.phillips) 4. 04:18 AM - Possible beer () 5. 07:11 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 14th & Old Sarum Sat 15th (William Mills) 6. 09:04 AM - Bond-able studs (Erich Trombley) 7. 09:13 AM - Enstone (Paddy Clarke) 8. 11:46 AM - (Fergus Kyle) 9. 02:01 PM - Re: Angle of Attack (karelvranken) 10. 05:26 PM - Re: Fw: Evans coolant (SPurpura@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:15 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Angle of Attack --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Hi Paul, yes that is one advantage of the monowheel, but with my Tri Gear the approach etc is quite different. You can hold a good deal more power. Even with the old Cherokee I fly it is important to get the speed just right on approach - and that is definitely a non slippery a/c! Patrick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:54 AM PST US From: "JR(Bob) Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Angle of Attack/ Dynon --> Europa-List message posted by: "JR(Bob) Gowing" I am similarly wondering if the Europa Stall Warner in the front edge of the wing would work as an angle of attack input. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin And Ann Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Angle of Attack/ Dynon > --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter > > has anyone with the Dynon EFIS unit got the AOA option working on an XS? > I am wondering if the pitot/static location under the wing works well > with the Dynon AOA? > > Kevin > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle > >To: europa-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Angle of Attack > > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Graham Singleton" > >To: > >Subject: Europa-List: Angle of Attack > > > > > >| --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > > > >| > >| From: "josok" > >| > >| --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" > >| > >| Since i am a very green pilot, and do only dream about flying my Europa, > >please > >| do not take this attempt too serious. I am flying the club's Supercub, and > > > >especially > >| on skies it asks for a fixed, 60 miles final, and because of the > >white-out, > >| you only set the descent rate at about 100 ft/min. The variable in this > >| quotation is the settle down point of course. But since there are no > >numbers > >| on these very long and very white runways, it does not matter. In my > >dreams i > >| land the Europa the same way. Nail the speed on final, and set the descent > > > >rate > >| at an agreeable speed. Why would this work or not work? > >| > >| Jos > >| In the flare, or rather when very close to the ground,last foot, the > >tailplane loses the effect of the downwash from the wing. This is ground > >effect of course. The result is that unless you do something about it, the > >nose will drop and you will bounce. As soon as you feel this nose drop pull > >the stick back quickly to prevent it. > >| Simplest way is to feel for the ground with the tailwheel and as soon as > >it touches stick hard back. The plane can't pitch up so it just quits > >flying. > >| Graham > > > >Jos, > > Graham has it! Another aspect is that you may have different > >weights on approach - passenger, luggage, full tank - and the difference > >between that and solo, no baggage and tanks toward empty - can be a > >significant percentage of the total weight. Like most aircraft the Europa > >exhibits very different drag characterisitics at extreme weights. You want > >to know what approach speed will give you Graham's 'feel-for-the-ground' > >values at round-out. That comes with care and research. But the approach > >speed does not stay fixed as with a Supercub on skis. Because the Europa is > >slick and smooth it floats when too fast. The reverse is even > >worse.......... > >Good luck, and use a long runway to practice. > >Ferg > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:21 AM PST US From: "ivor.phillips" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" Its well documented that changing to Evan`s will show a overall increase in temps, Articles by Philip Lockwood in Sportpilot give good reasons for this! http://www.sportpilot.org/ Put in search, ( Power on ) then article 49-52 http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2001%20January%20-%20Power%20On%20-%20Keeping%20Cool.pdf Its worth the read Ivor Phillips XS486 London UK CM Installed, rudder cables complete, undercarriage fitted brakes working flap tube fitted wing lift pins fitted,tiebar fitted instrument panel being finalised, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Sue Sisley" Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" > > > > Sue and Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill & Sue Sisley > To: > Subject: Evans coolant > > > I have recently changed to Evans Coolant from 50/50 Water/Antifreeze. > My cyl head temp is now running approx 20 deg centigrade higher than > before. Oil temp has not changed. > > My cooling system is as per the book. > Anyone else had any experience with this? > > XS Mono > 914 > Airmaster CS > 360 Hrs > > Sue and Bill > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:00 AM PST US From: Subject: Europa-List: Possible beer --> Europa-List message posted by: I will be in the Boston, Attleborough area in the US for a week on thursday 19th october for 10 days. If there are any europa builders or flyers inthe area who would enjoy a beer or a chat about europa's please call me on 07976617721 Europa monowheel 912 600Hrs+ regards Martin Stevens G-BXCH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:56 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 14th & Old Sarum Sat 15th --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" Hi Paddy, Domestic commitments today, but will see you at Old Sarum tomorrow. Best wishes, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paddy Clarke" Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 14th & Old Sarum Sat 15th > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke > > Hi All, > How about a DOTH tomorrow (Friday)?. The most central place with a > voucher ( in Flyer ) seems to be Enstone, so I suggest there, unless > anyone has a better idea. As I remember it the catering is a bit basic > - bringing a sandwich might be a good plan. > I also hope to make Old Sarum for their end of season fly-in on > Saturday. > Cheers, > Paddy Clarke > > Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM > > > -- > 12/10/2005 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:44 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Bond-able studs --> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" I have had great success making my own bond able studs from left over fuselage material (fiberglass foam sandwich). First layout the circles on the fiberglass material to be used. Next, I used a hole saw to cut out circles of appropriate diameter (the larger the stud dia the larger the circle). Counter bore the back side of the material which allows the he head of the bolt to be flush with with the backside of the fiberglass. Bond stud/fiberglass sandwich in place with Redux/Flox. For vertical surfaces I use a very small amount of 5 min. epoxy on the bolt head to hold in place while Redux cures. Be sure to pack the Redux/Flox around the bolt head to prevent the head from turning under torque. Give it a try...they work GREAT. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 Sorry for the repeating message I have had great success making my own bond able studs from left over fuselage material (fiberglass foam sandwich). First layout the circles on the fiberglass material to be used.Next, Iused a hole saw to cut out circles of appropriate diameter (the larger the stud dia the larger the circle). Counter bore the back side of the material which allows the he head of the bolt to be flush with with the backside of the fiberglass. Bond stud/fiberglass sandwich in place with Redux/Flox. For vertical surfaces I use a very small amount of 5 min. epoxy on the bolt head to hold in place while Redux cures. Be sure to pack the Redux/Flox around the bolt head to prevent the head from turning under torque. Give it a try...they work GREAT. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 Sorry for the repeating message ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:42 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: Enstone --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke Hi All. Did anyone make it to Enstone today?. The weather never picked up enough here to get airborne - still hope to make Old Sarum tomorrow. Cheers Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:57 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" "I have seen this advice from quite a few pilots, but I wonder if any of them fly the XS, which sits at a shallower angle on the ground, and is more than willing to keep flying at that attitude. In addition, the long tailwheel spring is quite flexible, and can be easily bent downward (increasing the angle of attack) with modest force on the tailplane. " I don't think so. Actually the longer tailwheel bends up. The real event is that at the same AoA near the ground, it will touch earlier, and shortly drop the wing from flying lift, planting the wheel more firmly and slowing the aircraft earlier. The dropping nose will reproduce the view sought before takeoff, as ever. Applying easy power to heighten the nose attitude will reduce ground speed and roll by a few knots - important where required. Ferg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:00 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Angle of Attack --> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" Patrick, Five years ago I asked Don Dykins if his wing could be subject to a modification for airbrakes that I already imagined and designed. The answer was that this would have serious implications on the airflow so that tests should have been necessary with a relatively high cost. He suggested that there are plenty of possibilities to personalise your aircraft without tremendous changes of his concept. Respectfully I burried my airbrakes. Karel Vranken, #447 monowheel XS F-PKRL Rotax 912ULS Airmaster CSU. nearly flying. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Angle of Attack > --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com > > > Talk of Speed brakes (air brakes or what ever you like to call them) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:27 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com BUT IT'S GREAT THAT IT DOESNOT BOIL OVER !!!