---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/17/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Good News! (Bill and Sue) 2. 06:22 AM - Re: Good News! (Jeremy Davey) 3. 12:38 PM - Ultimate speed mod. (Duncan McFadyean) 4. 01:07 PM - Some Photos from Rougham (Gerry Holland) 5. 03:29 PM - Re: Fw: Evans coolant (N55XS) 6. 03:35 PM - Re: Naca / Paint (N55XS) 7. 05:03 PM - Re: Naca / Paint () 8. 05:04 PM - Re: Fw: Evans coolant (Dean Seitz) 9. 06:16 PM - Re: Naca / Paint (SteveD) 10. 06:24 PM - first flight (Jim Brown) 11. 06:28 PM - Re: Fw: Evans coolant (N55XS) 12. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: Naca / Paint (Cliff Shaw) 13. 09:24 PM - Re: Fw: Evans coolant (Mike Parkin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:17 AM PST US From: "Bill and Sue" Subject: Europa-List: Good News! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue" Well it was news to me. I was summoned by Her Majesty's valiant Customs and Excise investigation team to explain my temerity in seeking to reclaim duty paid on exported fuel, depriving Mr Brown of the funds to pursue the Governments urgent crackdown on elderly gentlemen at party conferences. In the course of Her Majesty's Finest checking my story and subjecting my fuel receipts and logbook to forensic examination I have discovered that the rate for "ultra low sulphur unleaded petrol" (Mogas to you) is 47.1p/Litre, rather more attractive than Avgas at 28.1P/Litre. Now, not a lot of people know that. Well not me anyway. Another reason to pull out the Europa and motor over to foreign shores. Toodle Pip! Bill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:26 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Good News! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Excellent. You can buy the first round of drinks! :-) Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Sue Subject: Europa-List: Good News! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue" Well it was news to me. I was summoned by Her Majesty's valiant Customs and Excise investigation team to explain my temerity in seeking to reclaim duty paid on exported fuel, depriving Mr Brown of the funds to pursue the Governments urgent crackdown on elderly gentlemen at party conferences. In the course of Her Majesty's Finest checking my story and subjecting my fuel receipts and logbook to forensic examination I have discovered that the rate for "ultra low sulphur unleaded petrol" (Mogas to you) is 47.1p/Litre, rather more attractive than Avgas at 28.1P/Litre. Now, not a lot of people know that. Well not me anyway. Another reason to pull out the Europa and motor over to foreign shores. Toodle Pip! Bill ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:15 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Europa-List: Ultimate speed mod. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Speed mods. now available on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dago-Red-Race-4-Worlds-fastest-P-51-Mustang_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63679QQitemZ4581523852QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW Duncan McF. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:21 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Some Photos from Rougham From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland This URL shows pictures of the Europa's and other Aircraft who visited the Ploughs to Propellors Fly-in at Rougham, near Bury St Edmunds on October 2nd. http://www.futurshox.net/aerolistbyshow.php3?event=145#145 Rougham was a USAF Air Base during WWII hosting B17's. Gerry Holland ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:21 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS When I was doing taxi testing on N55XS, I was experiencing very high coolant temps. So I flushed the 50/50 glycol/water mix, lowered the collant radiator about 1" and installed a rubber seal to the bottom, so that it would seal to the cowl. I then installed the Evans coolant. Not only did the boiling go away, but the temps actually dropped, while still allowing the oil temp to to get up, in cool weather. This is a much better option, than dropping the oil cooler, in my opinion. At any rate, I have zero problems with coolant temps... Jeff - N55XS 89 hours... Bill & Sue Sisley wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" > > >Sue and Bill > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill & Sue Sisley >To: >Subject: Evans coolant > > >I have recently changed to Evans Coolant from 50/50 Water/Antifreeze. >My cyl head temp is now running approx 20 deg centigrade higher than before. Oil temp has not changed. > >My cooling system is as per the book. >Anyone else had any experience with this? > >XS Mono >914 >Airmaster CS >360 Hrs > >Sue and Bill > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:15 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Naca / Paint --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Paul, go to http//www.n55xs.com and then to the June 26, 2004 entry to see what I did to solve the pressurization problems. I get excellent air flow and there is a slight positive pressure in the aft of the fuse, which keeps any stray exhaust from entering through the flap holes... Jeff - N55XS 89 hours... Paul McAllister wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > >Mike, > >Many people, including myself have discarded them. I put a heat box on the >firewall and brought the air in through the panel. It works okay, quite >frankly it would work much better if I could come up with a good system of >getting the air out of the cabin. I am waiting for someone else to come up >with a flight proven solution for that one. > >Paul > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:52 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Naca / Paint --> Europa-List message posted by: Hi Paul I have seen people obtain negative pressure in the aft compartment by using Bernoulli device called an "extractor." I had drawings of it but cannot find them. It looks simple to make and of negligible drag. You might find it with a Google search. Tom Friedland (painted! Now reinstall the flying surfaces and the bloody fairings and then to the airport.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Naca / Paint --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Paul, go to http//www.n55xs.com and then to the June 26, 2004 entry to see what I did to solve the pressurization problems. I get excellent air flow and there is a slight positive pressure in the aft of the fuse, which keeps any stray exhaust from entering through the flap holes... Jeff - N55XS 89 hours... Paul McAllister wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" >--> > >Mike, > >Many people, including myself have discarded them. I put a heat box on >the >firewall and brought the air in through the panel. It works okay, quite >frankly it would work much better if I could come up with a good system of >getting the air out of the cabin. I am waiting for someone else to come up >with a flight proven solution for that one. > >Paul > > > > -- -- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:39 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" Jeff What are your oil and head temps running at in cruse and climb? I did almost the same thing with the coolers. Dean Seitz N284A 10 Hrs left to 40. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS When I was doing taxi testing on N55XS, I was experiencing very high coolant temps. So I flushed the 50/50 glycol/water mix, lowered the collant radiator about 1" and installed a rubber seal to the bottom, so that it would seal to the cowl. I then installed the Evans coolant. Not only did the boiling go away, but the temps actually dropped, while still allowing the oil temp to to get up, in cool weather. This is a much better option, than dropping the oil cooler, in my opinion. At any rate, I have zero problems with coolant temps... Jeff - N55XS 89 hours... Bill & Sue Sisley wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" > > >Sue and Bill > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill & Sue Sisley >To: >Subject: Evans coolant > > >I have recently changed to Evans Coolant from 50/50 Water/Antifreeze. >My cyl head temp is now running approx 20 deg centigrade higher than before. Oil temp has not changed. > >My cooling system is as per the book. >Anyone else had any experience with this? > >XS Mono >914 >Airmaster CS >360 Hrs > >Sue and Bill > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Naca / Paint From: "SteveD" --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" Googled up some reading on air flow from Cafe Foundation. Part II has some good stuff about inlets and extractors ... http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=7936#7936 Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:32 PM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Europa-List: first flight --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown As a lot of our Europa friends know, Augustene and I built our XS mono wheel and flew it for the first time way back in April, 2000. For the past year and a half we have been at it again. This time we have built a Van's RV-7A with the Superior XP IO-360 engine and a Hartzel C/S prop. The panel holds the Blue Mountain Avionics EFIS-1 system. Our son Bob had first flight honors today at 4:00 PM.Oct 17th 2005, N112B flew about 35 minutes on the first flight at Leesburg, Florida. (LEE) I'm not sure which is more nerve wracking, doing the flight, or setting on the ground watching your son do the flight. Jim and Augustene N398JB ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:45 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS CHT: 250 - 275 Oil Temp: 190 - 220 Water Temp: 180 - 225 These are observed in take off, climb and cruise. Haven't had any indication of overheating in any flying or taxiing configuration. Engine is a 912S with 89 hours on it. Latest flight was a 700+ mile cross country (each way) this weekend. 13 + hours, running both 93 octane MOGAS and 100LL. Only problem experienced was removing the ice from the wings, before leaving WV, this morning... ;) Jeff - N55XS 89 hours... Dean Seitz wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" > >Jeff >What are your oil and head temps running at in cruse and climb? I did >almost the same thing with the coolers. > >Dean Seitz >N284A 10 Hrs left to 40. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant > >--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS > >When I was doing taxi testing on N55XS, I was experiencing very high >coolant temps. So I flushed the 50/50 glycol/water mix, lowered the >collant radiator about 1" and installed a rubber seal to the bottom, so >that it would seal to the cowl. I then installed the Evans coolant. >Not only did the boiling go away, but the temps actually dropped, while >still allowing the oil temp to to get up, in cool weather. This is a >much better option, than dropping the oil cooler, in my opinion. At any >rate, I have zero problems with coolant temps... > >Jeff - N55XS >89 hours... > >Bill & Sue Sisley wrote: > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" >> >> >>Sue and Bill >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill & Sue Sisley >>To: >>Subject: Evans coolant >> >> >>I have recently changed to Evans Coolant from 50/50 Water/Antifreeze. >>My cyl head temp is now running approx 20 deg centigrade higher than >> >> >before. Oil temp has not changed. > > >>My cooling system is as per the book. >>Anyone else had any experience with this? >> >>XS Mono >>914 >>Airmaster CS >>360 Hrs >> >>Sue and Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:21 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Naca / Paint --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Very interesting reading. Thanks ! I wish I knew enough to design and build a new lower cowling for my XS. What I did is better than stock, but people tell me the cowling could be better. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: SteveD Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Europa-List: RE: Naca / Paint --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" Googled up some reading on air flow from Cafe Foundation. Part II has some good stuff about inlets and extractors ... http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p7936#7936 Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:08 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" ----- Original Message ----- From: "N55XS" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Evans coolant > --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS > > CHT: 250 - 275 > Oil Temp: 190 - 220 > Water Temp: 180 - 225 > These are observed in take off, climb and cruise. Haven't had any > indication of overheating in any flying or taxiing configuration. > Engine is a 912S with 89 hours on it. Latest flight was a 700+ mile > cross country (each way) this weekend. 13 + hours, running both 93 > octane MOGAS and 100LL. Only problem experienced was removing the ice > from the wings, before leaving WV, this morning... ;) > > Jeff - N55XS > 89 hours... CHT: 250-275. Although not strictly overheating, 275 is the Max CHT on a 914 - is it different on a 912S? regards, Mike