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1. 12:07 AM - Re: monowheel trailer (BEBERRY@aol.com)
2. 02:30 AM - Re: Re: Naca / Paint (Brian Davies)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: Stainless steel Firewall (Jim Butcher)
4. 05:29 AM - Sky Drive Carb Heat (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
5. 06:04 AM - Local Europa contact (Gerry Holland)
6. 06:06 AM - Re: Stainless steel Firewall (Fergus Kyle)
7. 06:55 AM - Re: Stainless steel Firewall (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
8. 09:56 AM - Tr: NSI (NEEL Jean Philippe)
9. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Naca / Paint (Duncan McFadyean)
10. 12:44 PM - Stainless steel Firewall (Graham Singleton)
11. 01:04 PM - Re: Stainless steel Firewall (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
12. 01:41 PM - Fw: NSI (Gavin Stewart)
13. 02:21 PM - Stainless steel Firewall (Fergus Kyle)
14. 02:32 PM - Throttle Cables. (BEBERRY@aol.com)
15. 02:34 PM - Down Load Problems (EuropaForum)
16. 06:21 PM - Re: Throttle Cables. (Cliff Shaw)
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| Subject: | Re: monowheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
A while ago I aquired a monowheel trailer. The previous owner had the car
registration painted on an ali sheet above the light cluster. Apparently
this is no longer legal. A motorcycle rear plate would fit there so I
tried to buy one form Halfords, but they and others will not supply one
for a registration assigned to a car. More than their job's worth
apparently................
Not a problem with number plates for your trailer. Take a template off your
car and paint your own. If your name is not Michaelangelo you can make up
letter stencils form your car and/or your friends - bound to find all the
right letters close by.
Cost - practically nil.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Naca / Paint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Steve,
I have just followed your instructions and get the same problem previously
described- I just end up with a small logo in the top left corner of a web
page after download.
Brian Davies kit 454
----- Original Message -----
From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Naca / Paint
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
>
> Ahhh Pronoun trouble... ( Sorry to many Daffy Duck cartoons as a kid )
> Seems some email packages are cutting characters from the php generated
urls.
> Go to www.EuropaOwners.org
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> Look down the list to:
> Document Storage
> PDF, Word, Docs Put them here....
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> The Articles are under:
> Cafe Foundation Air Fow Essays.
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> Sorry for the confusion,
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> Steved.
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless steel Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Ferg,
Yeah, you will get bloody fitting it and discover a few new words. What we
did is make the firewall of cardboard from cereal boxes. You can make a
good pattern from this. Then transfer it to the stainless steel. Practice
installing the cardboard firewall first to learn how it has to be bent and
wiggled while safeguarding the Queen's English and avoid cuting your hands!
Seems like the tab at the bottom corner had to be bent after install. Seal
all the seams with fireproof sealant (we used the construction stuff from
Home Depot). Getting to the seams with the engine installed is even more
difficult than fitting the firewall.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185 N241BW
2.9 hrs
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| Subject: | Sky Drive Carb Heat |
10/20/2005 08:29:23 AM,
Serialize complete at 10/20/2005 08:29:23 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Thanks to all those who responded regarding the Skydrive system, I will
try again with the MDRA.
Andy has responded with documentation info on the firewall material, this
may be of use to fellow Ontarians, Ferg, Jan, Myron and Peter, glad to see
you back on the list Peter.
If the inspection fees had not already added over $1,000 to the cost of my
project, I would not be quite as peeved.
Dave C-FBZI
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Local Europa contact |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
Patrick Hi!
Well....at last we meet!
We are not located too far from each other so here are my details:
2 Railway Cottages
Single Hill
Shoscombe
Near Bath
BA2 8NA
Tel. No: 01761 433073 or 07808 402404
You are quite welcome to visit and look at Autopilot Servo Install.
I'll be happy to help with the speed Kit after the engine purrs!!
Kind Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless steel Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stainless steel Firewall
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
| Ferg,
| It will get worse.
| I've been sitting at the airport for the last 2 months waiting for the
| MD-RA to allow me the privilege of a temporary C of A.
| At the moment they are questioning the phenolic firewall material that
| forms part of the fuselage, and the use of the Skydrive carb heat system.
|
| If there are any Canadian registered 912S powered Europas using Skydrive
| or similar, I would appreciate hearing from them, or from anyone else who
| can confirm the efficacy of the system.
| Now with regard to your stainless steel firewall, you should not have let
| me have Graham's phenolic one. It works great, and I just don't see how
| anyone ever got the stainless cut outs to fit well.
| In a rather depressed mood
| .Dave C-FBZI
Dave,
Thanks for your reply. I think I will ask Graham to fabricate
same to suit my modded footwell sides (Wilksch adventure).
Is the MDRA fellow not aware that the Europa kit has come from
the start as a phenolic firewall and that PFA have sanctioned the Singleton
kit?
I wonder if I will have the same trouble as you when my turn comes up - what
about precedence - Calgary, Staines etc. I will ask Graham for some
substantiating facts - such as source, test results etc. ....or have you
already done that?
Also what did you do with the throttle and choke actuator lines
going through the firewall area (my fuel line runs around the throttle box
at the top of the tunnel).
.........sorry for your delay. Be interested to follow this
chap's thinking on firewalls. It's only required to delay entry of the fuel
fire for 15 minutes I believe.
Good luck
ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless steel Firewall |
10/20/2005 09:54:59 AM,
Serialize complete at 10/20/2005 09:54:59 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Hi Ferg,
It was not Graham's firewall that caused the problem, it was the fuselage
one. It was just tagged by the inspector as a point of interest, but of
course having got into the system it caused a block when the next guy in
line came to sign off on the project. I think that if there had been a
long list of snags, everyone would have been happy and the firewall and
carb heat would have sailed through un-noticed. The problem really is that
there is very little knowledge of composites or of Rotaxes in Canada.
The throttle and choke lines come through a small sheathed gap at the top
corner of Graham's firewall. I split the top section of this in half and
added a stainless backing plate with anchor nuts, to make it easier to
install and remove.
Dave
do not archive
"Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
10/20/2005 09:07 AM
Please respond to europa-list
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stainless steel Firewall
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stainless steel Firewall
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
| Ferg,
| It will get worse.
| I've been sitting at the airport for the last 2 months waiting for the
| MD-RA to allow me the privilege of a temporary C of A.
| At the moment they are questioning the phenolic firewall material that
| forms part of the fuselage, and the use of the Skydrive carb heat
system.
|
| If there are any Canadian registered 912S powered Europas using Skydrive
| or similar, I would appreciate hearing from them, or from anyone else
who
| can confirm the efficacy of the system.
| Now with regard to your stainless steel firewall, you should not have
let
| me have Graham's phenolic one. It works great, and I just don't see how
| anyone ever got the stainless cut outs to fit well.
| In a rather depressed mood
| .Dave C-FBZI
Dave,
Thanks for your reply. I think I will ask Graham to fabricate
same to suit my modded footwell sides (Wilksch adventure).
Is the MDRA fellow not aware that the Europa kit has come from
the start as a phenolic firewall and that PFA have sanctioned the
Singleton
kit?
I wonder if I will have the same trouble as you when my turn comes up -
what
about precedence - Calgary, Staines etc. I will ask Graham for some
substantiating facts - such as source, test results etc. ....or have you
already done that?
Also what did you do with the throttle and choke actuator
lines
going through the firewall area (my fuel line runs around the throttle box
at the top of the tunnel).
.........sorry for your delay. Be interested to follow this
chap's thinking on firewalls. It's only required to delay entry of the
fuel
fire for 15 minutes I believe.
Good luck
ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: NEEL Jean Philippe <jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr>
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From: "Gavin Stewart" <Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: NSI
Dear Jean,
I sent my blades of in May for AD compliance. In July told they would be shipped
back early August. Spoke to Legrand Harris late August. He said the previous
guys were crooks and it had all folded. He was looking at a box full of blades,
unidentified. He didn't think the blade cuff was the problem. The pbroblem
was in the hub. He was working on it but would take several months. Have sent
a photo of my blades to aid identification. No reply. Have bought an Arplast
c/s - now many =A3s lifghter.
Don't know if this will appear on forum. You are welciome to display it if of any
interest.
Regards,
Gavin Stewart
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Dear Jean,
I sent my blades of in May for AD compliance. In July told
they would be shipped back early August. Spoke to Legrand Harris late August. He
said the previous guys were crooks and it had all folded. He was looking at a
box full of blades, unidentified. He didn't think the blade cuff was the
problem. The pbroblem was in the hub. He was working on it but would take
several months.<EM> </EM>Have sent a photo of my blades to aid
identification. No reply. Have bought an Arplast c/s - now many =A3s
lifghter.
Don't know if this will appear on forum. You are welciome to
display it if of any interest.
Regards,
Gavin Stewart
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Naca / Paint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
So do I. You're not alone!
Duncan McF
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Naca / Paint
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
>
> Steve,
>
> I have just followed your instructions and get the same problem previously
> described- I just end up with a small logo in the top left corner of a web
> page after download.
>
> Brian Davies kit 454
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Naca / Paint
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
>>
>> Ahhh Pronoun trouble... ( Sorry to many Daffy Duck cartoons as a kid )
>> Seems some email packages are cutting characters from the php generated
> urls.
>> Go to www.EuropaOwners.org
>>
>> Look down the list to:
>> Document Storage
>> PDF, Word, Docs Put them here....
>>
>> The Articles are under:
>> Cafe Foundation Air Fow Essays.
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion,
>>
>> Steved.
>> ----------------
>> Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Stainless steel Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
I'm not sure if Graham Singleton still makes the moulded phenolic fire
walls, but they really make an impossible task easy. More important it is
possible to take the firewall off if you need to.
I have my bloodied stainless steel bits hanging on the workshop wall.
Dave C-FBZI
Hello chaps,
Graham isn't sure either :-[ I just sold my house and super shed. No future house
in sight yet,we'll probable rent for a bit till the dust settles.
I will be able to make a few in the next few weeks but then I suspect chaos will
descend around me and my Long suffering Long EZ.
I'll see if I can get some pix on the Club site.
BTW Dave, can you get the top half off without removing the engine, if so how did
you arrange it?
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless steel Firewall |
10/20/2005 04:03:59 PM,
Serialize complete at 10/20/2005 04:03:59 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Graham,
Probably not approved by the manufacturer, but necessity being the
mother....
I cut the top section down the centre, riveted about a 2" wide strip of
stainless steel on one side ( a piece with no blood on it ), and added 3
anchor nuts on the other side. Fits together very snugly and I don't think
its integrity has been compromised.
I seem to have resolved my problem with the fuselage firewall material,
but with regard to the Skydrive carb heat, the hole seems to be getting
deeper. I might take some of the stainless off the workshop wall and slash
my wrists in the near future.
If there are any Europas in Alberta or B.C. flying and using Skydrive ( or
flying without carb heat ), I would very much like to hear from them, or
from others who might be able to put me in contact with them.
Dave
Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
10/20/2005 03:44 PM
Please respond to europa-list
To: europa-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Europa-List: Stainless steel Firewall
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
I'm not sure if Graham Singleton still makes the moulded phenolic fire
walls, but they really make an impossible task easy. More important it is
possible to take the firewall off if you need to.
I have my bloodied stainless steel bits hanging on the workshop wall.
Dave C-FBZI
Hello chaps,
Graham isn't sure either :-[ I just sold my house and super shed. No
future house in sight yet,we'll probable rent for a bit till the dust
settles.
I will be able to make a few in the next few weeks but then I suspect
chaos will descend around me and my Long suffering Long EZ.
I'll see if I can get some pix on the Club site.
BTW Dave, can you get the top half off without removing the engine, if so
how did you arrange it?
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin Stewart" <Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk>
Dear Jean,
I sent my blades of in May for AD compliance. In July told they would be shipped
back early August. Spoke to Legrand Harris late August. He said the previous
guys were crooks and it had all folded. He was looking at a box full of blades,
unidentified. He didn't think the blade cuff was the problem. The pbroblem
was in the hub. He was working on it but would take several months. Have sent
a photo of my blades to aid identification. No reply. Have bought an Arplast
c/s - now many =A3s lifghter.
Don't know if this will appear on forum. You are welciome to display it if of any
interest.
Regards,
Gavin Stewart
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| Subject: | Stainless steel Firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
hello again,
I reread chapter 33 in my mono classic manual. In there, (and
I'm not finding fault) one finds remarks alluding to caulking up the cracks
to prevent noxious fumes from entering the cockpit. Come on. There are holes
big enough to slip ferrets in - and if there aren't, then it has to be the
ugliest firewall in the Big 8.
My defence (should a minute crack develop twixt me and engine
fire) will be that - as previously shared, I intend to pressurise the
inhabited area by selected temperature air, and control the pressure by
judicious outflow control just like the big guys do.
Two things - if you have a hermetically-sealed firewall OR you
have found an argument that works with your ultimate inspector. could you
share it with me (us)?
Cheers, Ferg
PS: Many thanks for the spate of replies on the topic. I am continuing to
play with the stainless sheets in the hope of a SS revision incorporating SS
hinges to permit target installation. Bulk purchase of plaster strips ahead.
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| Subject: | Throttle Cables. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Having just fitted two new (massively expensive) throttle cables to cure the
apparent problem of 'stiction', I find that nothing has changed,
Despite being meticulously careful in the fitting (no kinks etc) and
following the build manual instructions, I cannot find a way to get the throttle
cables to operate properly i.e. the throttle will not open when the lever is
moved forward as the throttle lever spring does not overcome the friction
between inner and outer.
Any suggestions for a solution (stronger springs, oil??) would be welcomed.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Down Load Problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaForum <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
I'm at a loss to what the problem is.
I've tried
Mac: AOL, Internet Explorer, Safari, dial up, cable
Windows. 95, XP, Internet Explorer, AOL, dial up, and cable.
I've check the server and the downloads (files sent) all seem complete.
I'd did have one that had a blank Web page when the download was
completed, but the PDF was in my documents folder.
Do a search for the downloaded document on your computer, maybe it's
just hiding. ( it's happen before )
Also check to see if you have the latest revs of your browser and
Adobe reader.
I changed one setting on the server, I still have the same results, a
complete download. But lets see if that helps any one who's having
problems.
If your still having problems please post right on EuropaOwners so we
can keep the computer "noise" off the Matronics Europa-List.
Chat Later,
Steved
> Steve,
>
> I have just followed your instructions and get the same problem
> previously
> described- I just end up with a small logo in the top left corner
> of a web
> page after download.
> Go to www.EuropaOwners.org
>
> Look down the list to:
> Document Storage
> PDF, Word, Docs Put them here....
>
> The Articles are under:
> Cafe Foundation Air Fow Essays.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cables. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
I did both. (oil and stronger springs) Mine really did not need the springs.
Did you cut the cable to length? I cut mine and reassembled the ends.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: BEBERRY@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Throttle Cables.
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Having just fitted two new (massively expensive) throttle cables to cure the
apparent problem of 'stiction', I find that nothing has changed,
Despite being meticulously careful in the fitting (no kinks etc) and
following the build manual instructions, I cannot find a way to get the throttle
cables to operate properly i.e. the throttle will not open when the lever is
moved forward as the throttle lever spring does not overcome the friction
between inner and outer.
Any suggestions for a solution (stronger springs, oil??) would be welcomed.
Patrick
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