---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/06/05: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:51 AM - Landing gear mounting frame (Marty Mason) 2. 10:52 AM - Re: Landing gear mounting frame (Cliff Shaw) 3. 01:02 PM - Re: Rubber engine mounts (Jim Thursby) 4. 01:16 PM - First Flight (Jim Thursby) 5. 01:17 PM - FW: First Flight (Jim Thursby) 6. 01:27 PM - 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? (Robert Borger) 7. 01:46 PM - Workshop Clean up (Paul McAllister) 8. 01:54 PM - Re: 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? (ivor.phillips) 9. 02:12 PM - Re: 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? (Gilles Thesee) 10. 02:38 PM - Re: Rubber engine mounts (Garry) 11. 04:16 PM - Re: 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? (rlborger) 12. 06:14 PM - Re: Rubber engine mounts (SPurpura@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:16 AM PST US From: Marty Mason Subject: Europa-List: Landing gear mounting frame --> Europa-List message posted by: Marty Mason Hello List, After having most of my metal parts powder coated I discovered that KW screwed me again. I am building a Monowheel and have a TriGear landing gear mounting frame. This is the one without over center (centre) stops. Is there anyone out there who is planning to build a Tri or Conventional gear that would trade their landing gear mounting frame with over center stops for a newly powder coated (white) frame? You can contact me off list. Marty Mason A291 Mono Short Wing Plan 914 w/Airmaster CS 10%? done Norcross, GA 770-448-6469 captainmarty@bellsouth.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:00 AM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing gear mounting frame --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Marty That is a "Bummer" I had to look it up in my manual to figure out what stops you were talking about. The new version of the manual has it clearly illustrated on pages 12M-3 and 12T-3. For all you "older kit" builder, the new manual has both Mono and Trigear in the same binder. I have a bent frame you could have that you could take measurement of. I had to replace my Mono frame when I made my "bad" landing. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty Mason To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Europa-List: Landing gear mounting frame --> Europa-List message posted by: Marty Mason Hello List, After having most of my metal parts powder coated I discovered that KW screwed me again. I am building a Monowheel and have a TriGear landing gear mounting frame. This is the one without over center (centre) stops. Is there anyone out there who is planning to build a Tri or Conventional gear that would trade their landing gear mounting frame with over center stops for a newly powder coated (white) frame? You can contact me off list. Marty Mason A291 Mono Short Wing Plan 914 w/Airmaster CS 10%? done Norcross, GA 770-448-6469 captainmarty@bellsouth.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:15 PM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rubber engine mounts --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" Hi Garry, I believe they are mounts for a Continental O-200 engine. Give Bob B. a call he will know for sure. Jim T -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Subject: Europa-List: Rubber engine mounts --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" While doing an annual inspection I discovered that the rubber engine mounts had lost their elasticity, causing my engine to "sag". After 5 years and 400 hours I suppose this shouldn't have come as a surprise. It's time to replace them. I recall reading on the forum a couple of years back, that there was a Cessna engine rubber mount which Europa builders were using very satisfactorily. If this is true, I can obtain the Cessna part much quicker (and probably cheaper) than I can from the UK. Does anyone remember this thread and if so can you point me to the Cessna part number? Garry Stout N4220S ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:56 PM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: Europa-List: First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" I'm pleased to announce after too many years of building, Claude Tugwell's (A039/N295LC) O-200 powered Europa has flown. Lee Omernik had done a fifteen minute one in October but was cut short due to carb problems. Today It flew for one-half hour and with the exception of a partially blocked static system all worked well. It handles like all "classic winged" Europa's, in a word beautifully. Claude has extended the span of each wing by about eight inches and also added drooped tips. The roll rate is very nice. Reminded me of G-ELSA/N512SA/N741JH handling, one of the best flying Europa's As the static system was very slow to react I didn't explore the low speed regime much but observed 110 knots on the GPS on a four way course @ 2,300 RPM. This is with no speed fairings at all. Although the plane is heavy it accelerates close to a 914 and better than a Jabiru 3300. Ground roll was estimated at six to seven hundred feet which I'm sure can be shortened. I'll post more as we get further into the test flight program. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:30 PM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: Europa-List: FW: First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" -----Original Message----- From: Jim Thursby [mailto:jthursby@tampabay.rr.com] Subject: First Flight I'm pleased to announce after too many years of building, Claude Tugwell's (A039/N295LC) O-200 powered Europa has flown. Lee Omernik had done a fifteen minute one in October but was cut short due to carb problems. Today It flew for one-half hour and with the exception of a partially blocked static system all worked well. It handles like all "classic winged" Europa's, in a word beautifully. Claude has extended the span of each wing by about eight inches and also added drooped tips. The roll rate is very nice. Reminded me of G-ELSA/N512SA/N741JH handling, one of the best flying Europa's As the static system was very slow to react I didn't explore the low speed regime much but observed 110 knots on the GPS on a four way course @ 2,300 RPM. This is with no speed fairings at all. Although the plane is heavy it accelerates close to a 914 and better than a Jabiru 3300. Ground roll was estimated at six to seven hundred feet which I'm sure can be shortened. I'll post more as we get further into the test flight program. Jim T. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:21 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger 914 Builders: I began to wire up the fuel pumps today and found out that the screw terminals are two different sizes. This leads me to believe that polarity is important but I can't find anything in the manuals about electrical polarity of the pump terminals and there were no instructions with the pumps. I'd sure appreciate it if someone could tell me if the big terminal screw is positive or negative (earth/ ground). Thanks... Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done, baggage bay in. Completing the firewall-aft fuel system and fitting the instrument panel. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:32 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Workshop Clean up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi Guys, I am cleaning out and I have a few unused instruments: 1.25" UMA CHT 1.25" UMA EHT 2.25 UMA Manifold Pressure Gauge 10 ~ 50 inches 2.25 Rotax Tach All of these instruments are new and I'd like to get 1/2 price + postage if I could. Please contact me of list if your interested. Thanks, Paul N378PJ...... 340 Hours and still grinning do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:47 PM PST US From: "ivor.phillips" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" Hi on my pumps made by pierburg, The small terminal is Positive + and the large is Negative - > 914 Builders: > > I began to wire up the fuel pumps today and found out that the screw > terminals are two different sizes. This leads me to believe that polarity is important but I can't find anything in the manuals about electrical polarity of the pump terminals Regards Ivor Phillips XS486 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:07 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee Robert Borger a crit : >--> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger > >914 Builders: > >I began to wire up the fuel pumps today and found out that the screw >terminals are two different sizes. This leads me to believe that >polarity is important but I can't find anything in the manuals about >electrical polarity of the pump terminals and there were no >instructions with the pumps. I'd sure appreciate it if someone could >tell me if the big terminal screw is positive or negative (earth/ >ground). > > Hi, If your pumps are standard Pierburg pumps supplied with the Rotax 914, positive terminal is M4 and negative is M5. If memory serves me right, the top of the pumps is marked. You'll find all the necessary details in the Rotax 914 Installation Manual. If you don't have it, a pdf version is downloadable on my website : http://contrails.free.fr/temp/InstallM.pdf Hop this helps, Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:50 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rubber engine mounts --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" Ok, thanks Jimmy! I hope all is going well with you. I tried to get to the AOPA convention at Peter O'Knight, but found out it closed Saturday and wasn't open today. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rubber engine mounts > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" > > > Hi Garry, I believe they are mounts for a Continental O-200 engine. Give > Bob B. a call he will know for sure. > > Jim T > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Rubber engine mounts > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" > > While doing an annual inspection I discovered that the rubber engine > mounts > had lost their elasticity, causing my engine to "sag". After 5 years and > 400 hours I suppose this shouldn't have come as a surprise. It's time to > replace them. I recall reading on the forum a couple of years back, that > there was a Cessna engine rubber mount which Europa builders were using > very > satisfactorily. If this is true, I can obtain the Cessna part much > quicker > (and probably cheaper) than I can from the UK. Does anyone remember this > thread and if so can you point me to the Cessna part number? > > Garry Stout > N4220S > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:04 PM PST US From: rlborger Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 Electric Fuel Pump Polarity? --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger Ivor & Giles, Thanks and Merci Beaucoup for the prompt assistance. As Giles directed me, the Rotax 914 Installation manual has the important picture on page 50. It shows terminals M4 & M5 with the polarity indicated: M4 (the small one) is Positive and M5 (the big one) is Negative - as Ivor suggested. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:40 PM PST US From: SPurpura@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rubber engine mounts --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com YOU CAN GET THE 0-200 MOUNTS FROM ACS.YOU WILL NEED NEW SPACERS THOUGH,CANT REMEMBER IF THE ARE LONGER OR SHORTER THAN THE OLD ONES. SAM N77EU