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1. 06:15 AM - Tri Gear Speed Kit (BEBERRY@AOL.COM)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Paul McAllister)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: Mono wheel trailer (Norbert P. Hoffmann)
4. 09:25 AM - Filler (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Gilles Thesee)
6. 10:01 AM - Re: Filler (Bill Henderson)
7. 10:27 AM - Re: Filler (Jim Thursby)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Filler (JEFF ROBERTS)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Filler (D Wysong)
10. 11:19 AM - Re: Filler (Jos Okhuijsen)
11. 11:31 AM - Re: Filler (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
12. 11:40 AM - Re: Fuel Transf pumps (Brian Fogg)
13. 11:50 AM - Re: Filler (Fred Fillinger)
14. 12:51 PM - Re: Filler (N55XS)
15. 03:37 PM - Re: Filler (Paul McAllister)
16. 06:20 PM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Craig Ellison)
17. 06:24 PM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Craig Ellison)
18. 07:25 PM - New pictuers (Cliff Shaw)
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| Subject: | Tri Gear Speed Kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
To whom it may concern...
In the midst of fitting a speed kit I had been told that it was a bas****.
They were not wrong!
People have found their own solutions to the problems posed - mainly because
the instructions are wrong, impossible to carry out , lacking in dimensions
and generally unclear.
How to get the nuts on the back of the main wheel bracket mounts? I
Araldited the nuts into suitably bent open ended spanners and held them in place
until the bolt 'bit'
How to find where to drill the main wheel fairings to fit to the brackets?
I soldered a car light bulb to a length of twin flex and clipped the other
end to the a/c battery. The flex + bulb end was then taped to a stick (pencil
did the job) so that it could be moved around inside the fairing until the
holes in the brackets showed through and could be marked on the outside.
Maybe everyone else has thought of their own ways but I thought I would add
my bit.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: 914 TCU Servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Craig,
Yes, mine does this I believe that this is normal.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Mono wheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" <norberthoffmann1@alice-dsl.de>
Sorry for everyone who voiced an interest in the trailer. It has found a new
owner.
Regards
Norbert
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have heard
so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or later.
I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start
with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q Cell.
What have people been using this for?
Just wondering.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: 914 TCU Servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Craig Ellison a crit :
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
>914 Builders,
>
>I've been going through the final install and have a question about the
>wastgate servo. When I switch on the TCU and it cycles the wastegate the
>panel lights(red & yellow) both come on the go off as expected but the servo
>does this huming sound like it is trying to do something. Is this normal?
>
>thanks for all advice in advance,
>
>
Craig,
Did you confirm the wastegate lever is actually cycled, and/or the servo
wheel is moving when the servo cycles ?
Or do you have the impression the servo is only *trying* to move ?
In our aeroplane it makes some very slight noise, but it sounds like a
*normal* servo noise, not as if it was binding or something.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
Mike,
I've been using Superfil. It cost a lot more, but it's much easier to work
with. The other filler is hard to mix consistently. It does work though,
as I have used it in a few places on the smaller parts. I might have to use
it on the remainder of the plane as I have gone through almost two 3gal.
kits of the Superfil since I have a big wing to fill that you XS builders
don't.
You're lucky. You only got two SMALL bags. I've got a Classic and I
received a large 30gal. garbage bag full of the stuff.
Bill
A010 Classic Monowheel
Atlanta, GA
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From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Filler
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good day All,
>
> I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have
> heard
> so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or
> later.
> I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start
> with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q
> Cell.
> What have people been using this for?
> Just wondering.
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Takes up space in the attic. ;-) Use the superfill, it's consistent batch
to batch. Sands better too.
Jim
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DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Filler
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have
heard so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or
later.
I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start
with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q
Cell.
What have people been using this for?
Just wondering.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Hi Mike,
I know based on what others have said that super-fill is easier to use
than Q-cell but I mixed the Q Cell up into the fluffy stuff and it
worked great. Your manuel tells how to do it. I found that doing a
little filling and sanding along the way of building breaks up the job
nicely. No since in waiting to the very end of the build to just do
nothing but sanding & filling. Keep your wet dry vac handy and keep
cleaning off the sand paper and the part your sanding. Use only quality
paper as the cheep stuff isn't worth the nothing. Mostly use a flat
sanding block as a sponge can be used for a few curves. Find someone in
your area that has sanded composites before because the advice will
save you big time.
Best Regards,
Jeff
A258 Testing the engine.
On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:24 AM, DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good day All,
>
> I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I
> have heard
> so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or
> later.
> I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to
> start
> with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of
> Q Cell.
> What have people been using this for?
> Just wondering.
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Mike -
This fellow (Wayne Hicks) compiled a pretty good list of the "new" (and
arguably improved because the results are much lighter) methods for
making our glass airplanes look as smooth as... well... glass! Worth a
browse if you're preparing to fling yourself off the fill/sand/fill/sand
cliff.
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/waynehicks/chapter_25.htm
Granted, his craft is a Cozy and not a Europa... but once you get past
the flying backwards and winglet/canard nonsense, it isn't much different.
D
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DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good day All,
>
> I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have heard
> so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or later.
> I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start
> with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q Cell.
> What have people been using this for?
> Just wondering.
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Qcell is for filling. Have a look at my experiences under the supervision
of Nev. at
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=trip-to-the-2nd-fret-shop&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Having read endless discussions about the job and pros and cons of the
different products and methods i expected the worst. Working with the
factory supplied stuff now, i must say it is quite easy on the condition
that you accept advice on how to do it.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
--
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
kit#600, mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in,
tail closed, tailwheel in, tail top next
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
As I expected......Information, fast and furious, right to the point.
Especially the websites on advice. Am reading right now. Thanks to all.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, CA
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List:Fuel Transf pumps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.com>
Alan
I emailed you a while ago about one of the pumps. If you still have one left
where do I send the cheque?
Regards
Brian Fogg (385)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List:Fuel Transf pumps
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> I have now received a new batch of the fuel transfer pumps, so if anyone
> wants one please let me know. The cost is 28ukp
>
> Alan
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Worth a browse if you're preparing to fling yourself off
the
> fill/sand/fill/sand cliff.
>
>
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/waynehicks/chapter_25.htm
>
A quick look says that's usual, bigger microballons than
SuperFil uses, and a laminating resin. In my exp, it does
not feather well, and a laminating resin can
inappropriate -- to cure fully and quickly in sparse amount,
just like with the fluffy stuff. For me, the std balloons
do not sand as quickly as SuperFil, and can create the
pinhole problem, meaning getting rid of it with more weighty
primer than needed. Maybe just my jaded observations,
though. Me has a low tolerance level for problems I think I
could have avoided -- granted, with $$ though! :-)
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
I'm with Jeff, on this. Used the Q Cell and ended up with a beautiful
job. Not hard to mix or sand if one uses a little forthought...
Jeff - N55XS
104 hours
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>Hi Mike,
>I know based on what others have said that super-fill is easier to use
>than Q-cell but I mixed the Q Cell up into the fluffy stuff and it
>worked great. Your manuel tells how to do it. I found that doing a
>little filling and sanding along the way of building breaks up the job
>nicely. No since in waiting to the very end of the build to just do
>nothing but sanding & filling. Keep your wet dry vac handy and keep
>cleaning off the sand paper and the part your sanding. Use only quality
>paper as the cheep stuff isn't worth the nothing. Mostly use a flat
>sanding block as a sponge can be used for a few curves. Find someone in
>your area that has sanded composites before because the advice will
>save you big time.
>Best Regards,
>Jeff
>A258 Testing the engine.
>
>
>On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:24 AM, DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>>
>>Good day All,
>>
>>I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I
>>have heard
>>so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or
>>later.
>>I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to
>>start
>>with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of
>>Q Cell.
>>What have people been using this for?
>>Just wondering.
>>
>>Mike Duane A207
>>Redding, California
>>XS Conventional Gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi,
I used the factory stuff on the stabilizer and fuselage, but Superfill for
the rest. I found the Superfill easier to work with, but at the end of the
day its the technique that you use that makes the job go easier.
Nev is an advocate of putting on way too much and sanding it back. This
avoids trying to feather in and waiting for drying time. I think he is
right..... its easier to put in too much and sand it back rather than fool
around with multi coats.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: 914 TCU Servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Thanks Mike and Paul for answering my servo question. You put my mind at
ease. What a great thing this Europa list is! Off to torque the propellor
blades.
craig ellison
A205
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Craig,
>
> Yes, mine does this I believe that this is normal.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 TCU Servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Hi Gilles,
Yes the gate lever is moving and the wheele is moving. The noise I was
concerned with was after the cycle had occured. Mike and Paul had observed
likewise and hadn't had any probles is seems.
craig ellison
A205
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Craig Ellison a crit :
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
>><craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>>
>>914 Builders,
>>
>>I've been going through the final install and have a question about the
>>wastgate servo. When I switch on the TCU and it cycles the wastegate the
>>panel lights(red & yellow) both come on the go off as expected but the
>>servo
>>does this huming sound like it is trying to do something. Is this normal?
>>
>>thanks for all advice in advance,
>>
>>
> Craig,
>
> Did you confirm the wastegate lever is actually cycled, and/or the servo
> wheel is moving when the servo cycles ?
> Or do you have the impression the servo is only *trying* to move ?
> In our aeroplane it makes some very slight noise, but it sounds like a
> *normal* servo noise, not as if it was binding or something.
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I took some pictures of "Wile E Coyote" (N229WC) today. The weather was not very
nice, but at least it was not raining. Look in the Tri-Gear album at the
WEC album at the link in my signature.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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