---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/08/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:15 AM - Tri Gear Speed Kit (BEBERRY@AOL.COM) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Paul McAllister) 3. 06:47 AM - Re: Mono wheel trailer (Norbert P. Hoffmann) 4. 09:25 AM - Filler (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 5. 09:45 AM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Gilles Thesee) 6. 10:01 AM - Re: Filler (Bill Henderson) 7. 10:27 AM - Re: Filler (Jim Thursby) 8. 10:37 AM - Re: Filler (JEFF ROBERTS) 9. 10:41 AM - Re: Filler (D Wysong) 10. 11:19 AM - Re: Filler (Jos Okhuijsen) 11. 11:31 AM - Re: Filler (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 12. 11:40 AM - Re: Fuel Transf pumps (Brian Fogg) 13. 11:50 AM - Re: Filler (Fred Fillinger) 14. 12:51 PM - Re: Filler (N55XS) 15. 03:37 PM - Re: Filler (Paul McAllister) 16. 06:20 PM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Craig Ellison) 17. 06:24 PM - Re: 914 TCU Servo (Craig Ellison) 18. 07:25 PM - New pictuers (Cliff Shaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:54 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@AOL.COM Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear Speed Kit --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com To whom it may concern... In the midst of fitting a speed kit I had been told that it was a bas****. They were not wrong! People have found their own solutions to the problems posed - mainly because the instructions are wrong, impossible to carry out , lacking in dimensions and generally unclear. How to get the nuts on the back of the main wheel bracket mounts? I Araldited the nuts into suitably bent open ended spanners and held them in place until the bolt 'bit' How to find where to drill the main wheel fairings to fit to the brackets? I soldered a car light bulb to a length of twin flex and clipped the other end to the a/c battery. The flex + bulb end was then taped to a stick (pencil did the job) so that it could be moved around inside the fairing until the holes in the brackets showed through and could be marked on the outside. Maybe everyone else has thought of their own ways but I thought I would add my bit. Patrick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:09 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Craig, Yes, mine does this I believe that this is normal. Paul ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:47 AM PST US From: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono wheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" Sorry for everyone who voiced an interest in the trailer. It has found a new owner. Regards Norbert ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:29 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Good day All, I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have heard so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or later. I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q Cell. What have people been using this for? Just wondering. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:13 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee Craig Ellison a crit : >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > >914 Builders, > >I've been going through the final install and have a question about the >wastgate servo. When I switch on the TCU and it cycles the wastegate the >panel lights(red & yellow) both come on the go off as expected but the servo >does this huming sound like it is trying to do something. Is this normal? > >thanks for all advice in advance, > > Craig, Did you confirm the wastegate lever is actually cycled, and/or the servo wheel is moving when the servo cycles ? Or do you have the impression the servo is only *trying* to move ? In our aeroplane it makes some very slight noise, but it sounds like a *normal* servo noise, not as if it was binding or something. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:45 AM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" Mike, I've been using Superfil. It cost a lot more, but it's much easier to work with. The other filler is hard to mix consistently. It does work though, as I have used it in a few places on the smaller parts. I might have to use it on the remainder of the plane as I have gone through almost two 3gal. kits of the Superfil since I have a big wing to fill that you XS builders don't. You're lucky. You only got two SMALL bags. I've got a Classic and I received a large 30gal. garbage bag full of the stuff. Bill A010 Classic Monowheel Atlanta, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Filler > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Good day All, > > I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have > heard > so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or > later. > I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start > with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q > Cell. > What have people been using this for? > Just wondering. > > Mike Duane A207 > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:52 AM PST US From: "Jim Thursby" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby" Takes up space in the attic. ;-) Use the superfill, it's consistent batch to batch. Sands better too. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Good day All, I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have heard so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or later. I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q Cell. What have people been using this for? Just wondering. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:42 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Hi Mike, I know based on what others have said that super-fill is easier to use than Q-cell but I mixed the Q Cell up into the fluffy stuff and it worked great. Your manuel tells how to do it. I found that doing a little filling and sanding along the way of building breaks up the job nicely. No since in waiting to the very end of the build to just do nothing but sanding & filling. Keep your wet dry vac handy and keep cleaning off the sand paper and the part your sanding. Use only quality paper as the cheep stuff isn't worth the nothing. Mostly use a flat sanding block as a sponge can be used for a few curves. Find someone in your area that has sanded composites before because the advice will save you big time. Best Regards, Jeff A258 Testing the engine. On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:24 AM, DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Good day All, > > I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I > have heard > so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or > later. > I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to > start > with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of > Q Cell. > What have people been using this for? > Just wondering. > > Mike Duane A207 > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:42 AM PST US From: D Wysong Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong Mike - This fellow (Wayne Hicks) compiled a pretty good list of the "new" (and arguably improved because the results are much lighter) methods for making our glass airplanes look as smooth as... well... glass! Worth a browse if you're preparing to fling yourself off the fill/sand/fill/sand cliff. http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/waynehicks/chapter_25.htm Granted, his craft is a Cozy and not a Europa... but once you get past the flying backwards and winglet/canard nonsense, it isn't much different. D ------------ DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com > > Good day All, > > I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I have heard > so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or later. > I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to start > with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of Q Cell. > What have people been using this for? > Just wondering. > > Mike Duane A207 > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:12 AM PST US From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Qcell is for filling. Have a look at my experiences under the supervision of Nev. at http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=trip-to-the-2nd-fret-shop&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Having read endless discussions about the job and pros and cons of the different products and methods i expected the worst. Working with the factory supplied stuff now, i must say it is quite easy on the condition that you accept advice on how to do it. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen -- Regards, Jos Okhuijsen workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane kit#600, mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail closed, tailwheel in, tail top next ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:14 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com As I expected......Information, fast and furious, right to the point. Especially the websites on advice. Am reading right now. Thanks to all. Mike Duane A207 Redding, CA XS Conventional Gear ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:31 AM PST US From: "Brian Fogg" Subject: Re: Europa-List:Fuel Transf pumps --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" Alan I emailed you a while ago about one of the pumps. If you still have one left where do I send the cheque? Regards Brian Fogg (385) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List:Fuel Transf pumps > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > Hi Everyone > > I have now received a new batch of the fuel transfer pumps, so if anyone > wants one please let me know. The cost is 28ukp > > Alan > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:49 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > Worth a browse if you're preparing to fling yourself off the > fill/sand/fill/sand cliff. > > http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/waynehicks/chapter_25.htm > A quick look says that's usual, bigger microballons than SuperFil uses, and a laminating resin. In my exp, it does not feather well, and a laminating resin can inappropriate -- to cure fully and quickly in sparse amount, just like with the fluffy stuff. For me, the std balloons do not sand as quickly as SuperFil, and can create the pinhole problem, meaning getting rid of it with more weighty primer than needed. Maybe just my jaded observations, though. Me has a low tolerance level for problems I think I could have avoided -- granted, with $$ though! :-) Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:24 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS I'm with Jeff, on this. Used the Q Cell and ended up with a beautiful job. Not hard to mix or sand if one uses a little forthought... Jeff - N55XS 104 hours JEFF ROBERTS wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > >Hi Mike, >I know based on what others have said that super-fill is easier to use >than Q-cell but I mixed the Q Cell up into the fluffy stuff and it >worked great. Your manuel tells how to do it. I found that doing a >little filling and sanding along the way of building breaks up the job >nicely. No since in waiting to the very end of the build to just do >nothing but sanding & filling. Keep your wet dry vac handy and keep >cleaning off the sand paper and the part your sanding. Use only quality >paper as the cheep stuff isn't worth the nothing. Mostly use a flat >sanding block as a sponge can be used for a few curves. Find someone in >your area that has sanded composites before because the advice will >save you big time. >Best Regards, >Jeff >A258 Testing the engine. > > >On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:24 AM, DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com >> >>Good day All, >> >>I was just preparing myself for the task of filling and sanding. I >>have heard >>so much about the hassle of it, but I figure I have to start sooner or >>later. >>I am using Superfil for the ailerons since they are the smallest to >>start >>with. But along with my kit came several quart (2 liter) size bags of >>Q Cell. >>What have people been using this for? >>Just wondering. >> >>Mike Duane A207 >>Redding, California >>XS Conventional Gear >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Checked by AVG Free Edition. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:35 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filler --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi, I used the factory stuff on the stabilizer and fuselage, but Superfill for the rest. I found the Superfill easier to work with, but at the end of the day its the technique that you use that makes the job go easier. Nev is an advocate of putting on way too much and sanding it back. This avoids trying to feather in and waiting for drying time. I think he is right..... its easier to put in too much and sand it back rather than fool around with multi coats. Paul ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" Thanks Mike and Paul for answering my servo question. You put my mind at ease. What a great thing this Europa list is! Off to torque the propellor blades. craig ellison A205 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > > Craig, > > Yes, mine does this I believe that this is normal. > > Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:31 PM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" Hi Gilles, Yes the gate lever is moving and the wheele is moving. The noise I was concerned with was after the cycle had occured. Mike and Paul had observed likewise and hadn't had any probles is seems. craig ellison A205 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilles Thesee" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TCU Servo > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee > > > Craig Ellison a crit : > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" >> >> >>914 Builders, >> >>I've been going through the final install and have a question about the >>wastgate servo. When I switch on the TCU and it cycles the wastegate the >>panel lights(red & yellow) both come on the go off as expected but the >>servo >>does this huming sound like it is trying to do something. Is this normal? >> >>thanks for all advice in advance, >> >> > Craig, > > Did you confirm the wastegate lever is actually cycled, and/or the servo > wheel is moving when the servo cycles ? > Or do you have the impression the servo is only *trying* to move ? > In our aeroplane it makes some very slight noise, but it sounds like a > *normal* servo noise, not as if it was binding or something. > > Regards, > Gilles Thesee > Grenoble, France > http://contrails.free.fr > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:03 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Europa-List: New pictuers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" All I took some pictures of "Wile E Coyote" (N229WC) today. The weather was not very nice, but at least it was not raining. Look in the Tri-Gear album at the WEC album at the link in my signature. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE