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1. 08:11 AM - G-IRON; Empty weight (Fred Klein)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: G-IRON; Empty weight (G-IANI)
3. 10:15 AM - Re: G-IRON; Empty weight (KARL HEINDL)
4. 12:33 PM - Flaps on Trigear (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
5. 12:44 PM - Firewall Integrity (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 12:46 PM - Re: Flaps on Trigear (BEBERRY@aol.com)
7. 01:00 PM - Re: Flaps on Trigear (Cliff Shaw)
8. 01:30 PM - Re: door push rods (steve v.)
9. 01:43 PM - Re: Flaps on Trigear (R.C.Harrison)
10. 02:08 PM - Re: Firewall Integrity (D Wysong)
11. 02:17 PM - interior carpet (steve v.)
12. 02:43 PM - Re: interior carpet (William Daniell)
13. 02:43 PM - Re: interior carpet (Cliff Shaw)
14. 02:45 PM - Re: interior carpet (Jeff B)
15. 03:16 PM - Display of the Pound Symbol : WAS 914 Spark Plugs (Bruce)
16. 05:00 PM - Re: Display of the Pound Symbol : WAS 914 Spark Plugs (Cliff Shaw)
17. 05:15 PM - Re: interior carpet (JEFF ROBERTS)
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| Subject: | G-IRON; Empty weight |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Congratulations on a successful first flight!
Thank you for including your empty weight of 950 lb. I assume this
figure includes fluids (other than useable fuel) and follows the
protocols (though I for one, would not be able to spell them out) for
determining weight.
By any chance, does a log exist for posting the weights and
performances of flying Europas outside of the Europa Club list which,
I've noted, Rowland works hard to keep current?
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | G-IRON; Empty weight |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Weight is with all fluids including unusable fuel and includes fire
extinguisher, headsets, speed kit etc. Everything except personal
possessions.
G-IANI and G_Iron are very similar except G-IRON is a Hightop. We both have
heavy vacuum panels. G-IANI is 920lbs and we expected G-IRON to be say 920
so 950 came as a bit of a surprise. We have not yet had time to investigate
in detail. G-IRON's paint is probably heavier but not 30lbs?
I am not aware of any posting of Europa weights and performance except
Rolland's valiant efforts.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | G-IRON; Empty weight |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Ian,
Your note implies a full tank of fuel ? I thought empty weight was with
unusable fuel only.
Cheers, Karl
>From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-IRON; Empty weight
>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:39:48 -0000
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
>Weight is with all fluids including unusable fuel and includes fire
>extinguisher, headsets, speed kit etc. Everything except personal
>possessions.
>
>G-IANI and G_Iron are very similar except G-IRON is a Hightop. We both
>have
>heavy vacuum panels. G-IANI is 920lbs and we expected G-IRON to be say 920
>so 950 came as a bit of a surprise. We have not yet had time to
>investigate
>in detail. G-IRON's paint is probably heavier but not 30lbs?
>
>I am not aware of any posting of Europa weights and performance except
>Rolland's valiant efforts.
>
>Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
>Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
>e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Flaps on Trigear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I had a quick question......in spite of the fact that I'm still about a
year, or so, from flying. With the monowheel aircraft, the flaps are extended
with the same control that brings the main wheel and outriggers up and down. On
a tri gear takeoff, do you extend your flaps since they are now independent?
Do you ever make flap up landings? Any big difference in the two approaches?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Firewall Integrity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I'm working on my wiring layout and I have a little question for those
before me. I have come across a couple of terminal boards that are designed to
plug into perforated boards. The pins extend straight down from the terminal
board approx. 5/8" (15mm) from it's underside. Does anyone see any problem with
me drilling two series of seven small holes in a line and then backfilling
with heat resistant sealer? I could then solder the connections on the engine
side going to the oil temp and pressure, CHT's, EGT, ammeter, warning light,
starter switch, etc. In order to remove the panel I would simply unscrew from
the terminal boards.
This would save from having to cut a large hole for a round bulkhead
connector...not to mention the expense.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps on Trigear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Mike - use the flaps as you would for any 'normal 'aeroplane. I always use
one stage for take off regardless of length of runway as I think this is good
practice. For landing use as much as you need but I find that with a strong
crosswind it is often better to use just two stages.
All depends on what runway you are using - length, surface etc.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps on Trigear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Mike
Yes Yes Yes
You can fly the plane as you see fit. I usually use half flaps on take off. That
is recommended in the Europa POH. I have made no flap take-offs, too. They
require a higher speed for lift-off. The plane accelerates a little faster
with the flaps up, but roles further to get up to lift-off speed.
I land with full flaps. I can't see the runway otherwise.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Flaps on Trigear
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I had a quick question......in spite of the fact that I'm still about a
year, or so, from flying. With the monowheel aircraft, the flaps are extended
with the same control that brings the main wheel and outriggers up and down.
On
a tri gear takeoff, do you extend your flaps since they are now independent?
Do you ever make flap up landings? Any big difference in the two approaches?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | RE: door push rods |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
hi Raimo,
i too constructed the shoot bolts " within a mm " of the manual spec., and , as
you have described , i also had variations in the protruding distance of the
shootbolts when extended. the factory reply was that if there is " 1/2" of the
flat area of the shoot bolt protruding " then that is suficient for the installation
- i did not remake them as mine were within spec. hope this is of some
help.
steve #573.
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| Subject: | Flaps on Trigear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Mike.
Independent Electric Flaps on a trike enable recommended 18deg of flap
for take off, and full flap for landing gives a better insurance against
wind shear on landing. Also the slower touch down speed with full flaps
saves some tyre wear.
Regards
Bob Harrison Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Flaps on Trigear
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I had a quick question......in spite of the fact that I'm still about a
year, or so, from flying. With the monowheel aircraft, the flaps are
extended
with the same control that brings the main wheel and outriggers up and
down. On
a tri gear takeoff, do you extend your flaps since they are now
independent?
Do you ever make flap up landings? Any big difference in the two
approaches?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Integrity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Playing "Devil's Advocate" here, Mike...
On the hot side of the firewall, will there be enough room to get to
those solder joints and repair/rewire them after you've installed
everything under your cowl? This is, of course, when things will go
wrong with those sensor leads.
When you want to pull your panel, do you REALLY want to hunt down a tiny
screwdriver and a flashlight to go after all those screw terminals?
Wouldn't you rather be able to blindly reach under the panel and twist a
single disconnect for all of those sensors?
Better yet, when go to reinstall your panel, will your wire labels still
be there? Will you be able to read them in the dark (because the wife
"borrowed" (stole) the flashlight)? Will you remember which terminal
hooks to what?
Yikes...
Instead of a bulkhead connector, how about feeding the sensor wires into
the cockpit via a properly sealed, "small" hole. Bob Nuckolls describes
firewall penetrations and sealing here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Firewall_Penetration/firewall.html
Once inside the cockpit, terminate your wires into a regular old inline
connector and secure the bundle to your firewall. Bring your panel
wires into a mating connector, hook up the single harness, and you're
done. No screwdriver/flashlight/batteries required.
D
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DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good Day All,
>
> I'm working on my wiring layout and I have a little question for those
> before me. I have come across a couple of terminal boards that are designed to
> plug into perforated boards. The pins extend straight down from the terminal
> board approx. 5/8" (15mm) from it's underside. Does anyone see any problem with
> me drilling two series of seven small holes in a line and then backfilling
> with heat resistant sealer? I could then solder the connections on the engine
> side going to the oil temp and pressure, CHT's, EGT, ammeter, warning light,
> starter switch, etc. In order to remove the panel I would simply unscrew from
> the terminal boards.
> This would save from having to cut a large hole for a round bulkhead
> connector...not to mention the expense.
>
> Mike Duane A207A
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
hi,
can anyone give me details of a supplier of light weight interior carpet so that
i can compare it to the cost of a "supplied kit ",
thanks , steve #573
by the way , can anyone explain why the last 30% is taking longer than the first
70% ?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
AS they say 90% done - 90% to do.
Will
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v.
Subject: Europa-List: interior carpet
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
hi,
can anyone give me details of a supplier of light weight interior carpet so
that i can compare it to the cost of a "supplied kit ",
thanks , steve #573
by the way , can anyone explain why the last 30% is taking longer than the
first 70% ?
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| Subject: | Re: interior carpet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
Wate till you are 90% with only 90% left to go. I don't know why, but it seems
to just be that way. I know, I did it twice. (and it was worse the second time)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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----- Original Message -----
From: steve v.
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:17 PM
Subject: Europa-List: interior carpet
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
hi,
can anyone give me details of a supplier of light weight interior carpet so that
i can compare it to the cost of a "supplied kit ",
thanks , steve #573
by the way , can anyone explain why the last 30% is taking longer than the first
70% ?
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| Subject: | Re: interior carpet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
Auto stores such as Auto Zone, in the US have extremely light weight
carpet for around $8 a roll. Takes 3 or 4 rolls to do the entire cockpit...
Jeff - N55XS
106+ hours
steve v. wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
>
> hi,
>
> can anyone give me details of a supplier of light weight interior carpet so that
i can compare it to the cost of a "supplied kit ",
> thanks , steve #573
>
> by the way , can anyone explain why the last 30% is taking longer than the first
70% ?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce" <bruce@justbruce.com>
All,
----------
I had some time to kill on a commercial flight earlier today, so put this
together with the hope that it might be helpful. Sorry for the length, but
I tried to keep it as non-technical as I could. That made the explanation
longer, but perhaps more understandable to the masses.
----------
I spent a number of years in the font industry dealing with both technical
and artistic issues so this issue of displaying special characters is an
issue that I'm somewhat familiar with. I don't consider myself an expert by
any means especially since I know engineers who have spent their entire
careers dealing with these display and compatibility issues, so please don't
jump on my comments below as being too simplistic.
Before I start my explanation, I should mention that some of you may
recognize this as a MIME error. You can easily spot MIME display problems
anytime you see an "=" (equals sign) that seems to be out of place.
Sometimes you will see this "=" sign as part of a string such as "=A3" which
is discussed below, or you may see at the end of each line. You are also
likely viewing a MIME problem when the entire page is gibberish.
Let's skip the history of the internet, its use of the 7-bit US ASCII
character set with 128 characters, and the later development of numerous
technologies that support extended character sets. (extended character sets
can contain tens of thousands of unique characters in addition to the 128
characters supported by US ASCII). I should mention too that the internet
can only transport those 128 unique US ASCII characters, and that anything
and everything other than those 128 characters must first be encoded by your
e-mail or browser software into combinations or codes made up of those 128
characters before it can be transmitted.
The scenario: You type an e-mail and you include the UK Pound symbol.
Unbeknownst to you, YOUR e-mail software will convert this to the code "=A3"
before it is sent. Your software does this since it knows that the internet
can't transport special symbols or characters unless they are first
converted to character codes made up of the 128 permissible US ASCII
characters. As the sender of this message, your e-mail software is also
smart enough to know that it needs to make a comment in the HEADER so that
the RECEPIENT'S software is informed that the message BODY contains codes
that need to be decoded in the manner specified. (Think of the header as an
envelope wrapped around the message body). Under normal circumstances when
you transmit this message directly to another person, the RECEPIENT'S e-mail
software will look at the HEADER to learn what decoding method, if any, was
used before it opens the message-BODY and swaps out the "=A3" for the Pound
symbol which it will display. Realize that after this e-mail left your
computer headed for the internet, neither the BODY nor the HEADER of your
message ever actually contained the Pound symbol (which means there is no
Pound symbol that could have been stripped out.) Realize also that the BODY
of your message does not contain any clue that the "=A3" is a code that
needs to be decoded before it is displayed, and without that clue, it will
be displayed as just plain old ASCII text. The clue that the message text
actually contains codes that need to be decoded is in the HEADER, not the
message BODY and that is the problem.
The Problem: The display problem arises because like most legacy (older
but well established) news-lists, the software used by our Europa-List host
(Matronics) strips off much of the HEADER information along with all
attachments and formatting information. It does this for a number of good
reasons relating to document size, archive size, size of list digests,
search engine speed, and virus elimination. After all that filtering and
reformatting is accomplished on your e-mail, the "sanitized" version of the
e-mail is forwarded to the list-subscribers and stored in the archives. But
because the HEADER information that would inform the RECEPIENT'S e-mail
software about the need to decode is no longer present, the RECEPIENT'S
software just simply displays the "=A3" contained in the message body as
plain ASCII text.
I hope that long-winded explanation made sense. Unfortunately, I've
addressed only a couple of MIME issues. People who have MIME issues more
severe than the occasional display of a few codes and equal signs are facing
issues that can arise from your choice of computing platform, operating
systems, and encoding options.
By the way, I'm not aware of any way in MS Outlook to eliminate the sending
of special characters. I tried "plain text" but that did not trap symbols
entered from the keyboard. Perhaps fooling around with the international
options may work, but maybe it would be easier just to remember not to use
them. I imagine there is no easy fix that can be made to the list-server
software either, and perhaps that explains why so many discussion groups,
especially the newer ones are web-based HTML rather than e-mail based ASCII
text.
Regards,
Bruce
XS142 - Berube Conventional Gear
Tracy, CA
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Spark Plugs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Thanks Bruce !!! That is the best explanation I have seen.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: interior carpet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:17 PM, steve v. wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
>
> hi,
>
> can anyone give me details of a supplier of light weight interior
> carpet so that i can compare it to the cost of a "supplied kit ",
> thanks , steve #573
>
> by the way , can anyone explain why the last 30% is taking longer than
> the first 70% ?
Yes,
Because the last 30 is really the last 70%. The first parts are bigger
and that is very deceiving.
Do not archive,
Jeff
A258
Installing interior, have a coolant leak, and RPM's are reading wrong.
But it's running great and it looks great!
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