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1. 12:44 AM - Re: Display of the Pound Symbol : WAS 914 Spark Plugs (BEBERRY@AOL.COM)
2. 01:06 AM - Re: interior carpet (Gerry Holland)
3. 02:11 AM - Re: interior carpet (Paul Stewart)
4. 02:31 AM - Re: interior carpet (BEBERRY@aol.com)
5. 05:44 AM - radios (Paul Stewart)
6. 06:04 AM - Re: interior carpet (KARL HEINDL)
7. 08:06 AM - Re: Firewall Integrity (Troy Maynor)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: Firewall Integrity (D Wysong)
9. 02:38 PM - Close Out Flanges (Jim Butcher)
10. 02:50 PM - Re: Close Out Flanges (NevEyre@aol.com)
11. 02:51 PM - off-topic: Re: Display of the Pound Symbol (Rowland Carson)
12. 03:59 PM - Re: interior carpet (steve v.)
13. 04:55 PM - Re: off-topic: Re: Display of the Pound Symbol (BEBERRY@aol.com)
14. 04:57 PM - Re: off-topic: Re: Display of the Pound Symbol (BEBERRY@aol.com)
15. 05:08 PM - 914 throttle stops (Craig Ellison)
16. 05:59 PM - Re: Firewall Integrity (Fred Fillinger)
17. 06:32 PM - Re: radios (Lance Sandford)
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Subject: | Re: 914 Spark Plugs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Hi Bruce - and thanks for your long and detailed dissertation on Mime errors
etc. - in particular with reference to the Pound sign.
In furture if I want to insert this I will write the piece in Word and then
cut and paste into the email. This should work????
Patrick
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Subject: | Re: interior carpet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gholland@gemini-resourcing.com>
Steve
> by the way , can anyone explain why the last 30% is taking longer than the
> first 70% ?
I know what you mean but mine is compounded by my excuses for laziness too!
The one thing I can suggest is compiling a list of all outstanding tasks no
matter how small and then checking them off as done. Go out with notepad and
think through all the tasks from Prop to Tail and list them. Go one better
and create a spreadsheet or list and then you can measure the progress
against a target.
My 120 tasks is nearer 25 now albeit 2 or 3 are still on the major side!
Regards
Gerry
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Subject: | Re: interior carpet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Anyone in the UK got suggestions for suppliers of suitable material for
interior short of going to one of the kit suppliers?
Regards
paul G-GIDY
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Subject: | Re: interior carpet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Paul. I have just fitted out the whole of the interior with a superb grey
very light material obtained from Tim Dews of Airborne Composites, Wing Farm,
Longbridge Deverill, Wilts. Tel 01985 840981.
(_tim@airbornecomposites.co.uk_ (mailto:tim@airbornecomposites.co.uk) .)
Very easy to fit and should take only a day if you are any good with a
stanley knife and pair of scissors, also cheap. Fixed with spray carpet glue and
can be pealed off any time.
Highly recommended. Tim is one of the best repairers of composite materials
in the country and has experience of Europas.
Ask Gerry Holland if you want a second opinion.
Patrick (can send photo of mine if you wish.)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
I know there has been much discussion about the XCOM radio in recent
years - indeed I spoke to both the company and the CAA some time back in
relation to approval. The company seemed uninterested in persuing CAA
approval themselves. Before jumping in and buying the microair 760 has
anyone in the UK had any more recent information about the XCOM?
Regards
Paul Stewat
G-GIDY
approaching 90% still to do
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Subject: | Re: interior carpet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Paul,
Another source is BOYRIVEN, used to be in Nrth London, but now in Wokingham.
They supply the automotive people.
Karl
>From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: interior carpet
>Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:10:43 +0000
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
>Anyone in the UK got suggestions for suppliers of suitable material for
>interior short of going to one of the kit suppliers?
>
>Regards
>
>paul G-GIDY
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Firewall Integrity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
<<<<<<<<
<<Time: 12:44:22 PM PST US
<<From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
<<Subject: Europa-List: Firewall Integrity
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I'm working on my wiring layout and I have a little question for those
before me. I have come across a couple of terminal boards that are designed
to
plug into perforated boards. The pins extend straight down from the terminal
board approx. 5/8" (15mm) from it's underside. Does anyone see any problem
with
me drilling two series of seven small holes in a line and then backfilling
with heat resistant sealer? I could then solder the connections on the
engine
side going to the oil temp and pressure, CHT's, EGT, ammeter, warning
light,
starter switch, etc. In order to remove the panel I would simply unscrew
from
the terminal boards.
This would save from having to cut a large hole for a round bulkhead
connector...not to mention the expense.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi All,
I wanted to cut and route my CHT and EGT thru some cannon plugs at the
firewall but I was told long ago that this would affect the accuracy of the
readings if leads were cut. I since had planned to run those things thru a
grommet with firestop material. Am I confused? Have others cut thiers with
success?
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
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Subject: | Re: Firewall Integrity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Hello Troy -
Cutting the leads won't affect the accuracy but introducing new
junctions of dissimilar metals will. Here's a great snip from the
Aeroelectric list that addresses the issue:
"I have posted at least two discussions about thermocouple wire and how
it works - look at the archives.
That said, here is the short story. Thermocouples work due to the
Seebeck effect. That is, if you connect two wires made of dissimilar
metals they will generate a voltage at the junction that is proportional
to the temperature at the junction (and dependent on the types of
metals). It is important to remember that it is ANY junction of
dissimilar metals. This includes the junctions where the thermocouples
are connected to whatever you are using to measure the temperature. The
designers of these instruments always provide some way (internal to the
instrument) of compensating for the voltage generated at this junction
so the resultant temperature readout is that at the other end of the
thermocouple wires.
So... If we interpose another set of junctions in a length of
thermocouple wire - such as a connector - that could cause problems or
maybe not. I say could for two reasons.
First, if the temperature at each additional junction is the same then
the voltages generated will all cancel and you will still get the same
result on the readout instrument as you would without the additional
junctions. This is very likely the case if you pass the thermocouple
wires through a hole in the firewall (using the techniques that Bob
recommends for providing a fire resistant pass through) and use a
connector wholly within the engine compartment since both ends of the
connector will be in close proximity and at essentially the same
temperature. If you use a "barrier" connector with one side mounted on
the firewall and the other in the engine compartment, the situation is a
little worse since the two sides are obviously at different
temperatures. On the other hand if you use some sort of heat insulation
around one or both sides of the connector, since the pins are intimately
connected (both electrically and thermally), they are likely to be very
close in temperature and will cause a relatively small error.
Second, you are trying to measure relatively high temperatures and a
small temperature difference error generated by the connector may be
irrelevant to your actual usage. If you are using the EGT for leaning,
the actual temperature is only vaguely important - the relative peaks
are what you will look for. An error of 10 or 20 degrees would be
immaterial in this case. With the CHT the numbers are lower but the
errors are probably still not detrimental to your usage.
<<snip>>
Bottom line: If you are careful in what you do, you can use any
connector you want with minimal if any errors. If you are not careful
and end up with the two sides of the connector at significantly
different temperatures you will get an error that is approximately the
difference between the temperatures on the two sides of the connector."
Good stuff.
D
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Troy Maynor wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to cut and route my CHT and EGT thru some cannon plugs at the
> firewall but I was told long ago that this would affect the accuracy of the
> readings if leads were cut. I since had planned to run those things thru a
> grommet with firestop material. Am I confused? Have others cut thiers with
> success?
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
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Subject: | Close Out Flanges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
We have started to work on our glider wings since the weather has stopped flight
testing. The first step in constructing the airbrakes and the ailerons is to
"attach the pre-cut close-out flange end pieces" to the foam cores. Now we
have foam cores but they solid with no 12 mm close out flange pieces. Likewise
I cannot find them in the rest of the parts or on the packing lists. I recall
digging out foam on our short wing ailerons and flaps (we purchased the fast
build option). Are there pieces somewhere we don't recognize or are we slice
12 mm off each end of the foam cores?
Thanks
Jim & Heather Butcher
starting glider wings
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Subject: | Re: Close Out Flanges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Jim and Heather,
Look carefully at the foam cores, they should have been cut, for the
closeout pieces, they may have ''fused'' themselves back on.
Failing that, check with Andy for the length of the cores before you trim
any more off.
Cheers,
Nev.
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Subject: | Re: off-topic: Re: Display of the Pound Symbol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-11-19 03:42 -0500 BEBERRY@AOL.COM wrote:
>Hi Bruce - and thanks for your long and detailed dissertation on Mime errors
>etc. - in particular with reference to the Pound sign.
>
>In furture if I want to insert this I will write the piece in Word and then
>cut and paste into the email. This should work????
Patrick - no!
I think you have missed the vital part of Bruce's explanation - the
UK pound sign is not included in the 128-character US ASCII set.
However you contrive to insert that character (which will be
different character codes depending on various features of your own
machine) in your message, it will still NOT get transmitted as-is by
e-mail.
It's like sending a wing spar by railway wagon; if your spar is
longer than the standard wagon, a bit will get chopped off before the
rail journey. If the packing agent doesn't include instructions on
how to repair the now 2-piece spar, or if the unpacking agent
discards those instructions (the case described by Bruce) then you as
final recipient don't even know you're not getting the full original
spar at your end.
For unambiguous representation of the UK sterling pound sign without
writing those words out in full, many people use the abbreviation
"UKP". I have seen "L" occasionally but despite it being the obvious
abbreviation of "Libra" (as in Librae, Solidi, Denarii - LSD) I don't
know if that would be widely interpreted correctly. Less commonly,
and probably more confusingly, some use the US pound sign (#, binary
010 0011, octal 043, decimal 035, hex 23) instead. Mac people in UK
generate this by option-3; I imagine there is some similar facility
available in other operating systems and hardware. Obviously, in the
USA and its dominions, shift-3 generates #, not UK pound sign.
Hope this helps!
regards
Rowland
--
| Wilma & Rowland Carson <http://home.clara.net/rowil/>
| <rowil@clara.net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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Subject: | RE: interior carpet |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
i would like to thank all who have replied, it looks like im going with the "DIY"
carpet .
now then , off to complete the other 70% having completed 130% ?
(K+W=200%)
thanks, steve #573
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Subject: | Re: off-topic: Re: Display of the Pound Symbol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
o.k. Rowland I will try again and report if I find a solution. Patrick
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Subject: | Re: off-topic: Re: Display of the Pound Symbol |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
In furture if I want to insert this I will write the piece in Word and then
>cut and paste into the email. This should work????
Patrick - no!
I think you have missed the vital part of Bruce's explanation - the
UK pound sign is not included in the 128-character US ASCII set.
However you contrive to insert that character (which will be
different character codes depending on various features of your own
machine) in your message, it will still NOT get transmitted as-is by
e-mail.
If I send myself an email with pound sterling symbols inserted it all comes
out correct. Why is this? Sorry not to be a technocrat.
Patrcik
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Subject: | 914 throttle stops |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
All 914 builders and flyers,
I attempted to do throttle calibration yesterday and also set the stops for
max power(100%) and take-off(115%). The Europa install manual for 914 says
there are detailed instructions in the Rotax install manual. I couldn;t
find any but went ahead anyway. The program page asked for idle and max
throttle settings and that was it and said the calibration was complete. My
question is how do you set the max contunuous thrattle setting? And is it
done with the computer or with RPM and engine running?
BTY I did start the engine for the first time. She caught on the first
blade and ran very smooth at 1800rpm and above. Carb bal. is next.
Thanks for any and all input.
craig ellison
A205
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From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Close Out Flanges
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi Jim and Heather,
> Look carefully at the foam cores, they should have been cut, for the
> closeout pieces, they may have ''fused'' themselves back on.
> Failing that, check with Andy for the length of the cores before you trim
> any more off.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Firewall Integrity |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
> ...
> Does anyone see any problem with me drilling two
> series of seven small holes in a line and then
backfilling
> with heat resistant sealer? I could then solder the
> connections on the engine side going to the oil temp and
> pressure, CHT's, EGT, ammeter, warning light,
> starter switch, etc.
If that or a similar arrangement is desired. However, on
production aircraft, FAA has approved drilling a hole in the
firewall, inserting a grommet, running the bundle through
it, and sealing up the gap. Any type of connector
arrangement is two potential points of failure per wire, and
more weight. A grommet for something as thick as the
firewall will probably have to come from places like
mouser.com or digikey.com, though.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Lance Sandford" <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Paul
There is also now a new kid on the block.
I believe by the same designer that was involved in MicroAir and Xcom (only
have the word of the Sales Manager for that but you can see the family
resemblance). The transponder at least has some JTSO approval, if that
carries any weight in your part of the world
Look at http://www.avionicsaustralasia.com/
There was a demonstration set up at SAAA Wings Over Wagga Annual Convention
at the end of October which was very impressive.
Not being up to the radio stage yet, I have not researched any further.
Lance Sandford
XS Mono in OZ
> I know there has been much discussion about the XCOM radio in recent
> years - indeed I spoke to both the company and the CAA some time back in
> relation to approval. The company seemed uninterested in persuing CAA
> approval themselves. Before jumping in and buying the microair 760 has
> anyone in the UK had any more recent information about the XCOM?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewat
> G-GIDY
> approaching 90% still to do
>
>
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