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1. 02:00 AM - Re: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?] (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:06 AM - Re: Nose gear springs (Simon Smith)
3. 02:09 AM - Re: Nose gear springs (Nigel Graham)
4. 02:49 AM - Re: wheel landings SORRY! (Bryan Allsop)
5. 03:05 AM - Re: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?] (Alan Burrows)
6. 03:14 AM - Re: wheel landings SORRY! (Alan Burrows)
7. 03:41 AM - Wheel landings etc. (BEBERRY@aol.com)
8. 07:37 AM - Missing bits (Fergus Kyle)
9. 08:25 AM - Missing bits (Fergus Kyle)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Nose gear springs (karelvranken)
11. 11:22 AM - Re: Nose gear springs (Sven den Boer)
12. 11:29 AM - Re: wheel landings (Rowland Carson)
13. 12:03 PM - Re: wheel landings SORRY! (R.C.Harrison)
14. 12:10 PM - Re: Nose gear springs (R.C.Harrison)
15. 12:27 PM - Re: Missing bits (ivor.phillips)
16. 01:36 PM - Re: wheel landings SORRY! (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
17. 01:39 PM - Re: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?] (Raimo Toivio)
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| Subject: | wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hey! Bryan
I take offence at that ! Perhaps you'd better say " you wouldn't find
many adults trying to ride a mono-cycle!"
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
XS?]
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
Learning to land a Mono is just like learning to ride a bicycle. It
takes
some getting used to, but one you have mastered it you cannot recall
what
all the fuss was about, and you get some useful benefits
Similarly. You do not find many grown ups choosing to ride a tricycle.
Cheers Bryan Allsop
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
XS?]
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Hi Chris,
> If you are that gung ho, by all means try it yourself but don't say
you
> weren't warned. I thought I was smarter than Ivan Shaw once too.
Against
> his wishes (and unknown to) I spent the better part of two hours
trying
> to
> wheel land one of the company planes. I've been told it was some of
the
> most entertaining stuff the controllers at Lakeland had ever seen.
It
> will
> squeak the main on ever so gently with just a touch of power, then the
> tail
> slams to the runway and you are rewarded for your carelessness with
> another
> chance or two at landing it properly. If you recover from the
resulting
> three to ten foot bounce and haven't clipped your propeller, and if
you
> haven't ground looped it, and if you haven't stalled and dropped it
in,
> you
> can attempt another landing. I tried many times and NEVER got it to
stay
> on
> the ground. If you must attempt wheel landings in a tail dragger
aircraft
> please buy or build an RV and save the Europa community from losing
> another
> aircraft from the ranks. And the prop is VERY close when on the main
> wheel
> with the plane in a slight nose down attitude.
>
> Jim T.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Beck
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
XS?]
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
>
> Jim Brown wrote:
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>>
>>I would also suggest, to those of you who want to "TRY" to wheel land
a
>>mono wheel, you need to do one thing first. With the engine off, have
a
>>friend or helper raise the tail to normal flight attitude, then take a
>>look at how close the prop is to the ground or pavement. One bounce on
>>landing, and you may be buying new prop blades.
>>
>>The center of gravity is behind the mono wheel, which will make the
>>tail drop down, as soon as the wheel touches the runway, if you
counter
>>with some forward stick, re-read the above paragraph.
>>
>>
>>
> Jim, what sort of clearance are we talking about?? 2"? 6"? I've got
a
> mile on the 140. I'd have to be looking straight at the dirt to get
the
> prop grounded.
>
> Regarding the C of G, it's the same issue on any taildragger. It's
behind
> the mains, which causes the tail to drop when landing due to the
inertia.
> Trick is to zero out the rate of descent just as the mains touch, then
> nail
> it with that bit of forward stick (as I'm sure you know very well from
the
> Pitts). Again, is it strictly a prop clearance issue that prevents
> wheelies
> in the monowheel? Has this been beaten to death in the past where I
can
> look it up in the archives?
>
> I'm just very curious about the mechanics of landing a monowheel.
I've
> flown in a few different ones (a Classic and an XS). Now that I'm
flying
> a
> tailwheel plan, I understand a lot more of what's going on.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose gear springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>BTW, if you have ever had to listen to the Dutch speaking, and not been
able
>to fathom out ANY word, I had the ''pleasure'' to see it written this week,
>and that makes it all very much clearer, written Dutch is very close to
>Dyslexia !
>Cheers,
>Nev
Dutch is not a language - it's a throat disease!
Simon
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Nev,
I read somewhere that Dutch is not derived from another language but from an
ancient throat disease called "phlegm-ish".
This of course would explain some of the sounds you heard.
No offence intended to our Dutch friends ;-)
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
..............................................BTW, if you have ever had to
listen to the Dutch speaking, and not been able
to fathom out ANY word, I had the ''pleasure'' to see it written this week,
and that makes it all very much clearer, written Dutch is very close to
Dyslexia !
Cheers,
Nev
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings SORRY! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Hi Bob, and any one else I may have offended,
At least you recognised it as a bit of provocative fun. I know some very
nice trike fliers, and totally respect their decision to convert. However,
the banter between mono and trike will go on for many years yet.
Perhaps my choice of words was not tactful. and I would like to apologise to
anyone I may have upset.
Best regards, Bryan
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?]
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hey! Bryan
> I take offence at that ! Perhaps you'd better say " you wouldn't find
> many adults trying to ride a mono-cycle!"
> Regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Allsop
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Learning to land a Mono is just like learning to ride a bicycle. It
> takes
> some getting used to, but one you have mastered it you cannot recall
> what
> all the fuss was about, and you get some useful benefits
>
> Similarly. You do not find many grown ups choosing to ride a tricycle.
>
> Cheers Bryan Allsop
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
>> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> If you are that gung ho, by all means try it yourself but don't say
> you
>> weren't warned. I thought I was smarter than Ivan Shaw once too.
> Against
>> his wishes (and unknown to) I spent the better part of two hours
> trying
>> to
>> wheel land one of the company planes. I've been told it was some of
> the
>> most entertaining stuff the controllers at Lakeland had ever seen.
> It
>> will
>> squeak the main on ever so gently with just a touch of power, then the
>
>> tail
>> slams to the runway and you are rewarded for your carelessness with
>> another
>> chance or two at landing it properly. If you recover from the
> resulting
>> three to ten foot bounce and haven't clipped your propeller, and if
> you
>> haven't ground looped it, and if you haven't stalled and dropped it
> in,
>> you
>> can attempt another landing. I tried many times and NEVER got it to
> stay
>> on
>> the ground. If you must attempt wheel landings in a tail dragger
> aircraft
>> please buy or build an RV and save the Europa community from losing
>> another
>> aircraft from the ranks. And the prop is VERY close when on the main
>> wheel
>> with the plane in a slight nose down attitude.
>>
>> Jim T.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Beck
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
>>
>> Jim Brown wrote:
>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>>>
>>>I would also suggest, to those of you who want to "TRY" to wheel land
> a
>>>mono wheel, you need to do one thing first. With the engine off, have
> a
>>>friend or helper raise the tail to normal flight attitude, then take a
>>>look at how close the prop is to the ground or pavement. One bounce on
>>>landing, and you may be buying new prop blades.
>>>
>>>The center of gravity is behind the mono wheel, which will make the
>>>tail drop down, as soon as the wheel touches the runway, if you
> counter
>>>with some forward stick, re-read the above paragraph.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Jim, what sort of clearance are we talking about?? 2"? 6"? I've got
> a
>> mile on the 140. I'd have to be looking straight at the dirt to get
> the
>> prop grounded.
>>
>> Regarding the C of G, it's the same issue on any taildragger. It's
> behind
>> the mains, which causes the tail to drop when landing due to the
> inertia.
>> Trick is to zero out the rate of descent just as the mains touch, then
>
>> nail
>> it with that bit of forward stick (as I'm sure you know very well from
> the
>> Pitts). Again, is it strictly a prop clearance issue that prevents
>> wheelies
>> in the monowheel? Has this been beaten to death in the past where I
> can
>> look it up in the archives?
>>
>> I'm just very curious about the mechanics of landing a monowheel.
> I've
>> flown in a few different ones (a Classic and an XS). Now that I'm
> flying
>> a
>> tailwheel plan, I understand a lot more of what's going on.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Gosh and I thought it was something to do with wheelbarrows :-)
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
XS?]
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
--> <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Trying to remain unemotional and logical !!!!!!!!
You are obviously a late comer to the Europa fraternity, when many of us
started building - training wheels/stabilisers were not an option.
> I remain completely baffled as to why so many Europa pilots have
> chosen
> the
> mono over the trigear when given a choice. There is absolutely zero
> performance advantage to the mono, in rate of climb, in cruise speed,
in
> fuel burn, or whatever.
With respect this statement is complete unadulterated rubbish!! Ask
Andy
Draper why on X-country they always flew with the tri-gear fuel state in
mind. Answer - it always ran out of fuel before the monowheel. I have
yet
to fly with a tri-gear that can out climb or out cruise my monowheel.
The difference is that the mono is inheritantly
> unstable in landing (and takeoff) configuration. Everyone (almost)
> else
> in
> the aircraft business, both large and small, has abandon the
taildragger
> design, and no one else is building mono wheel planes. For the life
of me
> I
> cannot understand why Ivan thought he could be successful when the
rest of
> the world says it's an unstable design. The proof is in the results.
> Europa mono's are ground looping, wheelbarrowing, bending props,
running
> off
> the tarmac, and generally destroying themselves with regularity.
Perhaps
> that is a smart marketing strategy........to design a product that
> requires
> regular parts replacement and rebuilding, but as a pilot I'm not
> impressed.
The original design concept was to produce an aircraft that could
operate
from an short, unprepared farm strip. The same aircraft should be able
to
cover distance at a good speed and be kept at home on a trailer -
avoiding
hangarage costs. Ivan achieved all those points with style - it is fact
that experience has shown that a monowheel can be operated from some
strips
that would be a no-go with a tri-gear.
It is true that if it is mis-handled, the monowheel is likely to bite
back.
I have only witnessed one major Europa incident and that was a tri-gear
that
entered into a PIO and wiped out the prop and the nosewheel on the third
bounce - fortunately the crew walked away unharmed.
> I do acknowledge that there are a few among our ranks who get a
> certain thrill out of placing themselves in danger on every flight,
> and love the challenge of taming a wild and unpredictable beast. It
> makes for good chest thumping and bragging rights at the local pub,
> but might I suggest that you
> take up the (American) sport of bull riding. It's probably safer and
more
> satisfying than trying to land a mono. I'm not trying to stir up the
> ranks,
> but simply trying to understand the motivation of choosing an unstable
> design over a proper one.
A wild and unpredictable beast -- oh pleeeease !!!! all it requires is
average skill and a little practice. Thats why people choose to fly a
Pitts
or an RV - or perhaps the ultimate a Mustang or a Spitfire. If all you
want
is a safe aircraft, then why not stick with a wallowing SpamCan.
Both Europas are fabulous planes in the air, but
> one operates on the ground in a proper fashion while the other acts
> like a drunk and wounded gooney bird. Let's hear some logical and
> unemotional arguments in favor of the mono.
>
> Trigear pilot
You may be right in what you say, but as someone else commented - a
monowheel in flight looks sexy. Have you ever tried handling a
monowheel or
do you just criticise from a distance.
signed Monowheel Pilot (Slightly twisted, living on the edge with
absolutely no sense at all - BUT IT IS FUN!!)
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| Subject: | wheel landings SORRY! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Brian
This apology anything to do with the fact that the xmas dinner is coming
up and you may have to face all those wheelbarrow drivers, stick to your
guns man :-)
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings SORRY!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
--> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Hi Bob, and any one else I may have offended,
At least you recognised it as a bit of provocative fun. I know some very
nice trike fliers, and totally respect their decision to convert.
However,
the banter between mono and trike will go on for many years yet.
Perhaps my choice of words was not tactful. and I would like to
apologise to
anyone I may have upset.
Best regards, Bryan
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
XS?]
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hey! Bryan
> I take offence at that ! Perhaps you'd better say " you wouldn't find
> many adults trying to ride a mono-cycle!" Regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Allsop
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Learning to land a Mono is just like learning to ride a bicycle. It
> takes some getting used to, but one you have mastered it you cannot
> recall what
> all the fuss was about, and you get some useful benefits
>
> Similarly. You do not find many grown ups choosing to ride a tricycle.
>
> Cheers Bryan Allsop
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
>> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> If you are that gung ho, by all means try it yourself but don't say
> you
>> weren't warned. I thought I was smarter than Ivan Shaw once too.
> Against
>> his wishes (and unknown to) I spent the better part of two hours
> trying
>> to
>> wheel land one of the company planes. I've been told it was some of
> the
>> most entertaining stuff the controllers at Lakeland had ever seen.
> It
>> will
>> squeak the main on ever so gently with just a touch of power, then
>> the
>
>> tail
>> slams to the runway and you are rewarded for your carelessness with
>> another chance or two at landing it properly. If you recover from
>> the
> resulting
>> three to ten foot bounce and haven't clipped your propeller, and if
> you
>> haven't ground looped it, and if you haven't stalled and dropped it
> in,
>> you
>> can attempt another landing. I tried many times and NEVER got it to
> stay
>> on
>> the ground. If you must attempt wheel landings in a tail dragger
> aircraft
>> please buy or build an RV and save the Europa community from losing
>> another aircraft from the ranks. And the prop is VERY close when on
>> the main wheel
>> with the plane in a slight nose down attitude.
>>
>> Jim T.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Beck
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
>>
>> Jim Brown wrote:
>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>>>
>>>I would also suggest, to those of you who want to "TRY" to wheel land
> a
>>>mono wheel, you need to do one thing first. With the engine off, have
> a
>>>friend or helper raise the tail to normal flight attitude, then take
>>>a look at how close the prop is to the ground or pavement. One bounce
>>>on landing, and you may be buying new prop blades.
>>>
>>>The center of gravity is behind the mono wheel, which will make the
>>>tail drop down, as soon as the wheel touches the runway, if you
> counter
>>>with some forward stick, re-read the above paragraph.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Jim, what sort of clearance are we talking about?? 2"? 6"? I've
>> got
> a
>> mile on the 140. I'd have to be looking straight at the dirt to get
> the
>> prop grounded.
>>
>> Regarding the C of G, it's the same issue on any taildragger. It's
> behind
>> the mains, which causes the tail to drop when landing due to the
> inertia.
>> Trick is to zero out the rate of descent just as the mains touch,
>> then
>
>> nail
>> it with that bit of forward stick (as I'm sure you know very well
>> from
> the
>> Pitts). Again, is it strictly a prop clearance issue that prevents
>> wheelies in the monowheel? Has this been beaten to death in the past
>> where I
> can
>> look it up in the archives?
>>
>> I'm just very curious about the mechanics of landing a monowheel.
> I've
>> flown in a few different ones (a Classic and an XS). Now that I'm
> flying
>> a
>> tailwheel plan, I understand a lot more of what's going on.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wheel landings etc. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
The subject of aerodynamics is endlessly interesting and I have read with
interest the comment by some experts and hope I have learned a little more.
I am not convinced that the difference between stall and sink exists ...in
the end result..
Sure the aircraft will sink if there is insufficient airflow over the wing
to maintain sufficient lift for a given weight. A stall occurs when the
airflow breaks up because the AOA becomes too high, and to me this is what happens
when you get too slow , even if in level flight. The 'sink' will induce a
stall because the angle between the wing chord and the airflow increases
beyond the limit at which breakup of the airflow commences. This seems to me to
be much the same thing.
That is just an opinion and no doubt someone will tell me different.
I am not really qualified to join in the argument between Tri and Mono but
suffice to say that my only two trips in a Mono (right hand seat) have
resulted in a huge bouncy landing and a go around. Not so in the Tri. Maybe
that
is just down to the pilot.?
Patrick
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
This involves the Rotax 914 ancillary bits for a Classic mono:
I am in the process of offering up the engine to the firewall intially to
give me an idea of where some controls etc. will poke through.
In the process, I have instructions to mount the Turbo Control Unit
on the rear face of the firewall, utilising "SAC1196C10 Tinnerman washers"
of which I have none (kit bought from previous company.
Nor can I find same in AirSpruce, Wicks or any other catalogue.
What are they, please?
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Lord, forgive them - they know not what they do. I think that's the quote.
I found the washers referred to in my previous panic call.
However, while you're here, why did Europa slide plastic sleeves on the
AN5-40 mounting bolts twixt Gear mount and Intermediate mount for 914?
Apologies for filling your screen unnecessarily.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose gear springs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham"
> <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
>
> Nev,
>
> I read somewhere that Dutch is not derived from another language but from
> an
> ancient throat disease called "phlegm-ish".
> This of course would explain some of the sounds you heard.
>
> No offence intended to our Dutch friends ;-)
>
> Nigel
>
To all those confident imperialistic speaking english people: the most
beautifull language is your mothertongue even if it's flemish.
Karel Vranken.
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Heren,
U begrijpt er dus niets van...............:-)
BTW how many of those "Islanders" speak any other language.
Cheers (De Groeten)
Sven den Boer
PH-SBR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose gear springs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham"
> <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
>
> Nev,
>
> I read somewhere that Dutch is not derived from another language but from
> an
> ancient throat disease called "phlegm-ish".
> This of course would explain some of the sounds you heard.
>
> No offence intended to our Dutch friends ;-)
>
> Nigel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
> ..............................................BTW, if you have ever had to
> listen to the Dutch speaking, and not been able
> to fathom out ANY word, I had the ''pleasure'' to see it written this
> week,
> and that makes it all very much clearer, written Dutch is very close to
> Dyslexia !
> Cheers,
> Nev
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-11-25 09:05 +1000 Kingsley Hurst wrote:
>tri gear aircraft are more popular but Hey, Windows is the most popular
>operating system in computers
Kingsley - I do so agree! But I think the term should be "most
frequently encountered"; popularity, on the other hand, is something
else!
regards
Rowland
(the man with a Mac [fully operational] and a monowheel [not yet operational])
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | wheel landings SORRY! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Alan
Watch it you "triker" you can actually do a wheel barrow on a trike !
Been there too and got the "t" shirt. It even bends the nose leg DOWN
!!!!!
Bob H G-PTAG
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings SORRY!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Brian
This apology anything to do with the fact that the xmas dinner is coming
up and you may have to face all those wheelbarrow drivers, stick to your
guns man :-)
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings SORRY!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
--> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Hi Bob, and any one else I may have offended,
At least you recognised it as a bit of provocative fun. I know some very
nice trike fliers, and totally respect their decision to convert.
However,
the banter between mono and trike will go on for many years yet.
Perhaps my choice of words was not tactful. and I would like to
apologise to
anyone I may have upset.
Best regards, Bryan
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
XS?]
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hey! Bryan
> I take offence at that ! Perhaps you'd better say " you wouldn't find
> many adults trying to ride a mono-cycle!" Regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Allsop
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Learning to land a Mono is just like learning to ride a bicycle. It
> takes some getting used to, but one you have mastered it you cannot
> recall what
> all the fuss was about, and you get some useful benefits
>
> Similarly. You do not find many grown ups choosing to ride a tricycle.
>
> Cheers Bryan Allsop
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
>> <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> If you are that gung ho, by all means try it yourself but don't say
> you
>> weren't warned. I thought I was smarter than Ivan Shaw once too.
> Against
>> his wishes (and unknown to) I spent the better part of two hours
> trying
>> to
>> wheel land one of the company planes. I've been told it was some of
> the
>> most entertaining stuff the controllers at Lakeland had ever seen.
> It
>> will
>> squeak the main on ever so gently with just a touch of power, then
>> the
>
>> tail
>> slams to the runway and you are rewarded for your carelessness with
>> another chance or two at landing it properly. If you recover from
>> the
> resulting
>> three to ten foot bounce and haven't clipped your propeller, and if
> you
>> haven't ground looped it, and if you haven't stalled and dropped it
> in,
>> you
>> can attempt another landing. I tried many times and NEVER got it to
> stay
>> on
>> the ground. If you must attempt wheel landings in a tail dragger
> aircraft
>> please buy or build an RV and save the Europa community from losing
>> another aircraft from the ranks. And the prop is VERY close when on
>> the main wheel
>> with the plane in a slight nose down attitude.
>>
>> Jim T.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Beck
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
>>
>> Jim Brown wrote:
>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>>>
>>>I would also suggest, to those of you who want to "TRY" to wheel land
> a
>>>mono wheel, you need to do one thing first. With the engine off, have
> a
>>>friend or helper raise the tail to normal flight attitude, then take
>>>a look at how close the prop is to the ground or pavement. One bounce
>>>on landing, and you may be buying new prop blades.
>>>
>>>The center of gravity is behind the mono wheel, which will make the
>>>tail drop down, as soon as the wheel touches the runway, if you
> counter
>>>with some forward stick, re-read the above paragraph.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Jim, what sort of clearance are we talking about?? 2"? 6"? I've
>> got
> a
>> mile on the 140. I'd have to be looking straight at the dirt to get
> the
>> prop grounded.
>>
>> Regarding the C of G, it's the same issue on any taildragger. It's
> behind
>> the mains, which causes the tail to drop when landing due to the
> inertia.
>> Trick is to zero out the rate of descent just as the mains touch,
>> then
>
>> nail
>> it with that bit of forward stick (as I'm sure you know very well
>> from
> the
>> Pitts). Again, is it strictly a prop clearance issue that prevents
>> wheelies in the monowheel? Has this been beaten to death in the past
>> where I
> can
>> look it up in the archives?
>>
>> I'm just very curious about the mechanics of landing a monowheel.
> I've
>> flown in a few different ones (a Classic and an XS). Now that I'm
> flying
>> a
>> tailwheel plan, I understand a lot more of what's going on.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose gear springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Sven.
I have every admiration for those who have mastered another language.
However I strongly believe that everyone should learn another
tongue......
So long as it's ENGLISH I'm fine with that !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sven den
Boer
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose gear springs
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
<svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Heren,
U begrijpt er dus niets van...............:-)
BTW how many of those "Islanders" speak any other language.
Cheers (De Groeten)
Sven den Boer
PH-SBR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose gear springs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham"
> <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
>
> Nev,
>
> I read somewhere that Dutch is not derived from another language but
from
> an
> ancient throat disease called "phlegm-ish".
> This of course would explain some of the sounds you heard.
>
> No offence intended to our Dutch friends ;-)
>
> Nigel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
> ..............................................BTW, if you have ever
had to
> listen to the Dutch speaking, and not been able
> to fathom out ANY word, I had the ''pleasure'' to see it written this
> week,
> and that makes it all very much clearer, written Dutch is very close
to
> Dyslexia !
> Cheers,
> Nev
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/washers.html
They are the dished stainless steel washers,
regards
Ivor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: Missing bits
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Cheers,
> This involves the Rotax 914 ancillary bits for a Classic mono:
> I am in the process of offering up the engine to the firewall intially to
> give me an idea of where some controls etc. will poke through.
> In the process, I have instructions to mount the Turbo Control Unit
> on the rear face of the firewall, utilising "SAC1196C10 Tinnerman washers"
> of which I have none (kit bought from previous company.
> Nor can I find same in AirSpruce, Wicks or any other catalogue.
> What are they, please?
> Ferg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings SORRY! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I have been reading with great interest all the messages on this
subject...and I have only one thing to say.......CONVENTIONAL GEAR!!!!!!! The
mono
scared the heck out of the wife while on the ground and she cannot see it in the
air, so her message to me was very clear. But I wasn't willing to go back to
training wheels (my opinion for my flying style, no offense intended, as I'm
an ex-spamcan flyer)
This option gives all the landing options that the mono has but with better
stability. Speed seems to not be a problem. And can be rigged by one person.
Thank you Bob Berube.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Moro Bob and all,
Here is one adult trying to
ride a mono-cycle!
My wife gave me a present:
It was a nice mono-cycle.
She has an idea "if man can fly
(and land) by one wheel only,
he sure can also cycle with it".
It was a challenge for me!
I have practised hard and
one day I will make perfect
landings with my monowheel
and after go around by mono-cycle.
There is plenty of room behind seats
for one or more mono-cycles...
Raimo
====
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417, 1215 hrs so far
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa XS?]
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hey! Bryan
> I take offence at that ! Perhaps you'd better say " you wouldn't find
> many adults trying to ride a mono-cycle!"
> Regards
> Bob H G-PTAG
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Allsop
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> Learning to land a Mono is just like learning to ride a bicycle. It
> takes
> some getting used to, but one you have mastered it you cannot recall
> what
> all the fuss was about, and you get some useful benefits
>
> Similarly. You do not find many grown ups choosing to ride a tricycle.
>
> Cheers Bryan Allsop
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Thursby"
> > <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> > If you are that gung ho, by all means try it yourself but don't say
> you
> > weren't warned. I thought I was smarter than Ivan Shaw once too.
> Against
> > his wishes (and unknown to) I spent the better part of two hours
> trying
> > to
> > wheel land one of the company planes. I've been told it was some of
> the
> > most entertaining stuff the controllers at Lakeland had ever seen.
> It
> > will
> > squeak the main on ever so gently with just a touch of power, then the
>
> > tail
> > slams to the runway and you are rewarded for your carelessness with
> > another
> > chance or two at landing it properly. If you recover from the
> resulting
> > three to ten foot bounce and haven't clipped your propeller, and if
> you
> > haven't ground looped it, and if you haven't stalled and dropped it
> in,
> > you
> > can attempt another landing. I tried many times and NEVER got it to
> stay
> > on
> > the ground. If you must attempt wheel landings in a tail dragger
> aircraft
> > please buy or build an RV and save the Europa community from losing
> > another
> > aircraft from the ranks. And the prop is VERY close when on the main
> > wheel
> > with the plane in a slight nose down attitude.
> >
> > Jim T.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Beck
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel landings [was: Flying a heavy Europa
> XS?]
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
> >
> > Jim Brown wrote:
> >
> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> >>
> >>I would also suggest, to those of you who want to "TRY" to wheel land
> a
> >>mono wheel, you need to do one thing first. With the engine off, have
> a
> >>friend or helper raise the tail to normal flight attitude, then take a
> >>look at how close the prop is to the ground or pavement. One bounce on
> >>landing, and you may be buying new prop blades.
> >>
> >>The center of gravity is behind the mono wheel, which will make the
> >>tail drop down, as soon as the wheel touches the runway, if you
> counter
> >>with some forward stick, re-read the above paragraph.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Jim, what sort of clearance are we talking about?? 2"? 6"? I've got
> a
> > mile on the 140. I'd have to be looking straight at the dirt to get
> the
> > prop grounded.
> >
> > Regarding the C of G, it's the same issue on any taildragger. It's
> behind
> > the mains, which causes the tail to drop when landing due to the
> inertia.
> > Trick is to zero out the rate of descent just as the mains touch, then
>
> > nail
> > it with that bit of forward stick (as I'm sure you know very well from
> the
> > Pitts). Again, is it strictly a prop clearance issue that prevents
> > wheelies
> > in the monowheel? Has this been beaten to death in the past where I
> can
> > look it up in the archives?
> >
> > I'm just very curious about the mechanics of landing a monowheel.
> I've
> > flown in a few different ones (a Classic and an XS). Now that I'm
> flying
> > a
> > tailwheel plan, I understand a lot more of what's going on.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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