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1. 01:27 AM - Re: Noise Statement wanted (Jac van Heeswijk)
2. 03:11 AM - Re: Noise Statement wanted (R.C.Harrison)
3. 04:50 AM - Detaching a Warp Drive (Sven den Boer)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (N914RB)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (GLENN CROWDER)
6. 08:07 AM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (Fred Fillinger)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: Detaching a Warp Drive (Cliff Shaw)
8. 09:48 AM - Re: black body radioation (David Joyce)
9. 10:34 AM - Re: black body radioation (Duncan McFadyean)
10. 10:45 AM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (GLENN CROWDER)
11. 10:48 AM - Re: Noise Statement wanted (Tim Ward)
12. 11:31 AM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (Trevpond@aol.com)
13. 12:04 PM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (Fred Klein)
14. 02:34 PM - Re: black body radioation (Rob Housman)
15. 03:57 PM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (GLENN CROWDER)
16. 04:28 PM - Re: Future Europa Powerplant (Alexander Kaarsberg)
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| Subject: | Re: Noise Statement wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk" <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Subject: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> All,
>
> Dutch CAA/FAA is requesting an official noise statement for my aircraft.
> Noise Statement from Europa club is not recognized and the penalty is in
> NL,
> same landing charges as a Piper 28.(!@#%$!*)
>
> 2 possibilities to counter this:
>
> A: Get a noise measuremnt by an approved organisation/company
> B: Get a copy of an official Noise Statement from one of the EASA/JAR
> countries or the US/Canada.
> It needs to be a stament from a similar type of aircraft, in this case:
>
> Europa XS
> Rotax 912S engine
> Warpdrive prop
>
> Who can help me out?
> Mail or fax your noisestatement, eternal greatfullnes will be your reward.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
> fax: 084-7377223
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Noise Statement wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jac
I have a noise statement but for the MT Propeller on my Jabiru Power
Plant. Obviously it would not be of any use to you in Holland......BUT
interestingly during our trip round the Baltic in the Summer we returned
through Munster Osnabrook and we underwent an Airside Paperwork
Inspection.
All was well except the "Inspector" as a parting shot said I should get
the MT Propeller Document converted to a British one since to apply it
to a British Registration A/C was not suitable for purpose. Being
diligent, on return I contacted the CAA at Gatwick and explained my
demise having spent a considerable sum of time and fuel going to
Straubing (Bavaria) to submit to the extremely professional test by MT
Propellers would they give me a conversion document? Reply.........
"Since the noise certificate is not a UK requirement on the Permit to
Fly Light Aircraft they were unable to offer any help and even if I
submitted to the expense of another noise test in the UK there is still
not a document in existence to apply to this class of aircraft". MY
reply was probably unprintable and akin to my recently saying "the
French Authorities should take their heads from up their anus!"
At present the German Authorities have accepted my Noise Certificate to
reduce the landing charges and to date the Dutch haven't levied any
increase! So it would seem there is a gaping hole in communication
between the UK CAA and Germany and you seem trapped with a similar hole
between your Dutch Authority and the rest of Europe perhaps?
Me'thinks it's about time these people started "earning their corn" and
became more positive to the confounded problems they generate by
producing pure bullshit and paperwork.
In the meantime Jac I believe the Europa Club have a document which
"with tongue in cheek" just may help you but technically such a
certificate should only apply to the one aircraft which has been tested.
I have copied Dave Bossomworth in on this message and perhaps he will
assist in seeing that the responsible person will contact you?
Regards and Happy Christmas. (BTW whilst you are waiting for the
paperwork you could get on making that chutney!)
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jac van
Heeswijk
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk"
<jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Subject: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> All,
>
> Dutch CAA/FAA is requesting an official noise statement for my
aircraft.
> Noise Statement from Europa club is not recognized and the penalty is
in
> NL,
> same landing charges as a Piper 28.(!@#%$!*)
>
> 2 possibilities to counter this:
>
> A: Get a noise measuremnt by an approved organisation/company
> B: Get a copy of an official Noise Statement from one of the EASA/JAR
> countries or the US/Canada.
> It needs to be a stament from a similar type of aircraft, in this
case:
>
> Europa XS
> Rotax 912S engine
> Warpdrive prop
>
> Who can help me out?
> Mail or fax your noisestatement, eternal greatfullnes will be your
reward.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
> fax: 084-7377223
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Detaching a Warp Drive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Can anyone bring some light how to detach the warp drive from a 912ULS ?
Spinner is of, bolts are of, prop is still on, nothing so far in the warp
drive documentation.
Cheers
Sven den Boer
A168
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| Subject: | Re: Future Europa Powerplant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi Glenn,
Interesting stuff though probably more for those coming much further down
the road than we current builders. I downloaded the video (52megs!). While
mostly a promo piece for the company's stock, it gives a fair amount of
useful info on the engine itself. In these days or high gas prices, there's
nothing wrong with the prospect of a technology that would make current
piston technology obsolete.
BTW, how's that new panel working out?
Dan
Dan Bish
N914RB - Kit A144
Tucson, AZ, USA
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| Subject: | Re: Future Europa Powerplant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Hey Dan!
Good to hear from you. Hope you're tearing along on your project!
The panel looks great! I can't afford to populate it with goodies yet
however!
The white hot military UAV market is fueling all kinds of engine
development right now. For 50 yrs or more, there has been no
interest in non-jet engine technology from the military. Thats all
changed now of course, the CIA wants extremely light weight,
quiet and powerful engines for UAV's. Jets just don't cut it in this
area.
The spooks want to plant an RFID chip with GPS transmitters on
any known Islamofascist or bad guy, trail him with a micro UAV for
weeks on end to learn all his contacts, then fry him while he's
sleeping. They can already do it, they just want to do it more
cheaply. This story should convince anyone:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10303175/
Officials: CIA missile strike kills al-Qaida No. 3 - International Terrorism
- MSNBC.com
All this new engine technology should filter down to us air
experimenters eventually, unless there are so many UAV's flying
around that they have to eliminate all non military
airspace use!
Glenn
>From: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Future Europa Powerplant
>Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:05:55 -0700
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi Glenn,
>
>
>Interesting stuff though probably more for those coming much further down
>the road than we current builders. I downloaded the video (52megs!). While
>mostly a promo piece for the company's stock, it gives a fair amount of
>useful info on the engine itself. In these days or high gas prices, there's
>nothing wrong with the prospect of a technology that would make current
>piston technology obsolete.
>
>
>BTW, how's that new panel working out?
>
>
>Dan
>
>
>Dan Bish
>
>N914RB - Kit A144
>
>Tucson, AZ, USA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Future Europa Powerplant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> The white hot military UAV market is fueling all kinds
> of engine development right now. For 50 yrs or more,
> there has been no interest in non-jet engine technology
> from the military.
> ....
> Glenn
>
We may not be able to afford these engines. They can't charge the
military one price, and us about half of that. Our Defense Contract
Audit Agency tends to raise an issue there. Perhaps that's why the
price increases on the Rotax 914 have rather hefty in recent years.
When you start selling to the military, seems your costs just....go way
up. :-)
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Detaching a Warp Drive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Seven
When I installed my propeller it went on bolt hole inserts. These little cylinders
slipped into the back plate and the other end extended into the propeller
hub. The fit was very tight. Use a little "force" to drive the hub off the backing
plate.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Sven den Boer
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Detaching a Warp Drive
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Can anyone bring some light how to detach the warp drive from a 912ULS ?
Spinner is of, bolts are of, prop is still on, nothing so far in the warp
drive documentation.
Cheers
Sven den Boer
A168
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| Subject: | Re: black body radioation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Duncan, Fifty years ago when I was doing A level physics, absorption and
radiation coefficients of a coloured surface were directly related. Good
absorbers were good radiators, etc Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I beg to differ.
> Black is far more absorptive than white. But the emissivity is little
> different between the two colours; in other words, if heat is being LOST
by
> radiation, then black is only marginally more efficient than white. Of
> course "radiators" transfer heat mostly by conduction, which is not
affected
> by colour.
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> >
> >> I was wondering whether white paint would massively affect
> > the ability of
> >> the radiators to dissipate heat. My gut feeling tells me
> > that the bypassing
> >> air molecule does not mind the color of the hot metal bit
> > it gets heated up
> >> by. But then again ... there was something in science
> > class many years ago
> >> about dark body radiation.
> >> ....
> >> Please advise.
> >>
> >> <Thomas, N81EU>
> >>
> >
> > You want black, not white. Quantum theory, Kichoff's laws,
> > good absorbers (black) are good radiators (shedding heat of
> > the hot fluid). But with tradeoff as your radiators will be
> > absorbs the sun's heat in a given flight condition.
> >
> > But as a practical matter, you'd have to dip them in paint,
> > I don't think we want to do that. So anything shot on just
> > the front shouldn't matter. Black will disguise the fact of
> > radiators there viewed from a distance. White would look
> > odd to me on such a device. Gold might look like it was
> > anodized the way a popular aircraft part comes. Silver
> > metallic phony; we homebuilders use too much of that.
> > Office beige? Whorehouse lavender? :-)
> >
> > Reg,
> > Fred F.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> "Fantastic service... saves a lot of time for me... I only have to go to
one page."
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/login/?shorturlid=2854
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: black body radioation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
David,
I was taught that too.
Only it's wrong!
However, good absorbers often radiate more because, being good absorbers,
they get hotter. But at equal surface temperatures the emissivity of the
lighter colours is not much different.
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Duncan, Fifty years ago when I was doing A level physics, absorption and
> radiation coefficients of a coloured surface were directly related. Good
> absorbers were good radiators, etc Regards, David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> I beg to differ.
>> Black is far more absorptive than white. But the emissivity is little
>> different between the two colours; in other words, if heat is being LOST
> by
>> radiation, then black is only marginally more efficient than white. Of
>> course "radiators" transfer heat mostly by conduction, which is not
> affected
>> by colour.
>>
>> Duncan McF.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
>>
>>
>> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>> >
>> >> I was wondering whether white paint would massively affect
>> > the ability of
>> >> the radiators to dissipate heat. My gut feeling tells me
>> > that the bypassing
>> >> air molecule does not mind the color of the hot metal bit
>> > it gets heated up
>> >> by. But then again ... there was something in science
>> > class many years ago
>> >> about dark body radiation.
>> >> ....
>> >> Please advise.
>> >>
>> >> <Thomas, N81EU>
>> >>
>> >
>> > You want black, not white. Quantum theory, Kichoff's laws,
>> > good absorbers (black) are good radiators (shedding heat of
>> > the hot fluid). But with tradeoff as your radiators will be
>> > absorbs the sun's heat in a given flight condition.
>> >
>> > But as a practical matter, you'd have to dip them in paint,
>> > I don't think we want to do that. So anything shot on just
>> > the front shouldn't matter. Black will disguise the fact of
>> > radiators there viewed from a distance. White would look
>> > odd to me on such a device. Gold might look like it was
>> > anodized the way a popular aircraft part comes. Silver
>> > metallic phony; we homebuilders use too much of that.
>> > Office beige? Whorehouse lavender? :-)
>> >
>> > Reg,
>> > Fred F.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> "Fantastic service... saves a lot of time for me... I only have to go to
> one page."
>> http://www.doctors.net.uk/login/?shorturlid=2854
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
> ---
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Future Europa Powerplant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Wow, heres a major aerospace player that decided to go with a
proven engine - makes me kind of all teary eyed!
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/nr_051202a.html
Boeing A160 Hummingbird Completes Flight Test
Glenn
>From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Future Europa Powerplant
>Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:06:46 -0500
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> > The white hot military UAV market is fueling all kinds
> > of engine development right now. For 50 yrs or more,
> > there has been no interest in non-jet engine technology
> > from the military.
> > ....
> > Glenn
> >
>
>We may not be able to afford these engines. They can't charge the
>military one price, and us about half of that. Our Defense Contract
>Audit Agency tends to raise an issue there. Perhaps that's why the
>price increases on the Rotax 914 have rather hefty in recent years.
>When you start selling to the military, seems your costs just....go way
>up. :-)
>
>Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Noise Statement wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
According to my children, who now observe every aircraft flying in the sky,
the Europa is by far the most quiescent.
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jac van Heeswijk" <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk"
> <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Noise Statement wanted
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
>> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Dutch CAA/FAA is requesting an official noise statement for my aircraft.
>> Noise Statement from Europa club is not recognized and the penalty is in
>> NL,
>> same landing charges as a Piper 28.(!@#%$!*)
>>
>> 2 possibilities to counter this:
>>
>> A: Get a noise measuremnt by an approved organisation/company
>> B: Get a copy of an official Noise Statement from one of the EASA/JAR
>> countries or the US/Canada.
>> It needs to be a stament from a similar type of aircraft, in this case:
>>
>> Europa XS
>> Rotax 912S engine
>> Warpdrive prop
>>
>> Who can help me out?
>> Mail or fax your noisestatement, eternal greatfullnes will be your
>> reward.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Sven den Boer
>> PH-SBR
>> fax: 084-7377223
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Future Europa Powerplant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
In a message dated 04/12/2005 15:33:23 GMT Standard Time,
gcrowder2@hotmail.com writes:
Hey Dan!
Good to hear from you. Hope you're tearing along on your project!
The panel looks great! I can't afford to populate it with goodies yet
however!
The white hot military UAV market is fueling all kinds of engine
development right now. For 50 yrs or more, there has been no
interest in non-jet engine technology from the military. Thats all
changed now of course, the CIA wants extremely light weight,
quiet and powerful engines for UAV's. Jets just don't cut it in this
area.
"The spooks want to plant an RFID chip with GPS transmitters on
any known Islamofascist or bad guy, trail him with a micro UAV for
weeks on end to learn all his contacts, then fry him while he's
sleeping. They can already do it, they just want to do it more
cheaply."
Seems like a good plan to me!!!!
Trev
Kit 598 - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Future Europa Powerplant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
On Sunday, December 4, 2005, at 10:45 AM, GLENN CROWDER wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER"
> <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
>
> Wow, heres a major aerospace player that decided to go with a
> proven engine - makes me kind of all teary eyed!
Wow indeed...and it's not even made in Austria!
Fred
do not archive
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| Subject: | black body radioation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
In fact, according to the table (The Normal Total Emissivity of Various
Substances) in "Chemical Engineers' Handbook" black lacquer and white
lacquer have identical emissivity in the range of 100 to 200 deg F. The
range is from 0.80 (at the lower temperature) to 0.95.
Bare aluminum at room temperature is in the range of 0.04 to 0.06 depending
on the surface condition.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Duncan McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
David,
I was taught that too.
Only it's wrong!
However, good absorbers often radiate more because, being good absorbers,
they get hotter. But at equal surface temperatures the emissivity of the
lighter colours is not much different.
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Duncan, Fifty years ago when I was doing A level physics, absorption and
> radiation coefficients of a coloured surface were directly related. Good
> absorbers were good radiators, etc Regards, David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> I beg to differ.
>> Black is far more absorptive than white. But the emissivity is little
>> different between the two colours; in other words, if heat is being LOST
> by
>> radiation, then black is only marginally more efficient than white. Of
>> course "radiators" transfer heat mostly by conduction, which is not
> affected
>> by colour.
>>
>> Duncan McF.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: black body radioation
>>
>>
>> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>> >
>> >> I was wondering whether white paint would massively affect
>> > the ability of
>> >> the radiators to dissipate heat. My gut feeling tells me
>> > that the bypassing
>> >> air molecule does not mind the color of the hot metal bit
>> > it gets heated up
>> >> by. But then again ... there was something in science
>> > class many years ago
>> >> about dark body radiation.
>> >> ....
>> >> Please advise.
>> >>
>> >> <Thomas, N81EU>
>> >>
>> >
>> > You want black, not white. Quantum theory, Kichoff's laws,
>> > good absorbers (black) are good radiators (shedding heat of
>> > the hot fluid). But with tradeoff as your radiators will be
>> > absorbs the sun's heat in a given flight condition.
>> >
>> > But as a practical matter, you'd have to dip them in paint,
>> > I don't think we want to do that. So anything shot on just
>> > the front shouldn't matter. Black will disguise the fact of
>> > radiators there viewed from a distance. White would look
>> > odd to me on such a device. Gold might look like it was
>> > anodized the way a popular aircraft part comes. Silver
>> > metallic phony; we homebuilders use too much of that.
>> > Office beige? Whorehouse lavender? :-)
>> >
>> > Reg,
>> > Fred F.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Future Europa Powerplant |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Geez Fred - you almost gave it away! You don't want to lose our priveleges
on the Europa powered by Overpriced Rotax List do you?
Glenn
>From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Future Europa Powerplant
>Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:03:43 -0800
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>
>On Sunday, December 4, 2005, at 10:45 AM, GLENN CROWDER wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER"
> > <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Wow, heres a major aerospace player that decided to go with a
> > proven engine - makes me kind of all teary eyed!
>
>Wow indeed...and it's not even made in Austria!
>
>Fred
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Alexander Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
>
> In these days or high gas prices, there's
>nothing wrong with the prospect of a technology that would make current
>piston technology obsolete.
>
>
The prospect has been around for a while, since before the piston
engine...was it in 1816 the good Father Sterling thought of his engine
which still has a potential 60% efficiency against the 10 ish % of the
petrol piston- NASA use it on sattelites for power supply but every
application needs a lot of development.
We just need to convince India or China to do it, nobody else has the
sense and might to do it.
Alex, kit 529
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