Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:33 AM - Not Europa, but of interest... (Paul Bunting)
2. 01:28 AM - Re: Fuel sender etc. (Richard Holder)
3. 02:43 AM - fuel gauges (Graham Singleton)
4. 03:54 AM - FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble (Paul Sweeting)
5. 04:24 AM - Re: Not Europa, but of interest... (Paul Sweeting)
6. 07:11 AM - Re: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble (Fergus Kyle)
7. 07:11 AM - Rotax 912 wanted (Geoff Leedham)
8. 07:20 AM - Re: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble (BEBERRY@aol.com)
9. 07:59 AM - fuel sender location (GLENN CROWDER)
10. 08:55 AM - Re: fuel sender location (Cliff Shaw)
11. 09:11 AM - Re: Nextel (David Joyce)
12. 09:44 AM - Salt Lake City Area (Alan Burrows)
13. 09:51 AM - Re: fuel sender location (Simon Smith)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble (Kurt A. Schumacher)
15. 11:47 AM - Re: fuel sender location (R.C.Harrison)
16. 12:35 PM - Re: fuel sender location (Terry Seaver (terrys))
17. 01:08 PM - Re: fuel sender location (Duncan McFadyean)
18. 02:04 PM - USH Spinner for sale (Robert Borger)
19. 02:04 PM - Re: fuel sender location (Terry Seaver (terrys))
20. 09:15 PM - Re: Fuel sender etc. (JR(Bob) Gowing)
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| Subject: | Not Europa, but of interest... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Bunting" <paul.bunting@developtheweb.com>
XCOR's EZ-Rocket flew into the history books on Saturday. The craft made a
record-setting point-to-point flight, departing from the Mojave California
Spaceport, gliding to a touchdown at a neighbouring airport in California
City.
Full story at
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/12/05/xcor.rocket/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sender etc. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Cliff Shaw wrote:
> My 2 cents worth, and remember "I am a armature builder and this is an EXPERIMENTAL
airplane" :)
Does this mean you could rebuild an alternator for me ? :-)
Richard, who double checked this mail for typos before
sending :-)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Patrick
Tony K's is the most elegant way and it works. There is another way, the LTS /
Europa magnetic float sender can be installed in a stack teed into the sight gauge
line there are a few Europas already with this type of installation but I
can't remember who they are.
You could always keep it real simple and use the modified sight gauge, installed
up the front face of the seat back/tank enclosure.
Graham
All this discussion about fuel senders/gauges etc and it all seems too
difficult and fraught with danger.
There must, I feel be a way of installing a decent gauge with a tank sender
which does not involve making a hole on the tank top within the confines of
the headrest.
Surely it is not necessary to enter the tank vertically? I think I shall
wait until something much simpler and easier to install before going for the
mod.
Patrick
___________
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
Forward of a current discussion on uk.rec.aviation.soaring
Regarding the emergence of possible planning problems at Kemble.
Seems the nimby's are getting noticed by the council planners and local
press.
What is the effect on the several Europa owners & Gloster strut members whom
reside there? Is there a defence being mounted and how can I support this?
Paul Sweeting
-----Original Message-----
From: Glider Pilot Network [mailto:www@gliderpilot.net]
Subject: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble
Newsgroup: uk.rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: Kemble
Date/Time: 20:58 08 December 2005
Reading the local newspapers what has happened is that
they have upset the locals over noise as it is probably
far noisier now than when the MOD were in residence,
especially in the later years of their tenure.
This has resulted in the 'previous use' that was used
to continue flying ops after the MOD left to be questioned
on the basis that the site was a maintenance and repair
facility rather than a general flying and training
one. Now, how you repair aircraft without flying them
I don't know so this should provide an amount of local
fun in the newspapers.
Cheers
Robin
At 16:01 08 December 2005, Robert John wrote:
>At 15:19 08 December 2005, Bernard Smyth wrote:
>>Kemble airfield operators have been told they need
>>to apply for planning
>>permission to keep the place going. Locals have been
>>moaning! It's only
>>been an airfield for 70 years. Although it's not a
>>gliding site, it makes you
>>wonder if this retrospective heavyhandidness could
>>affect gliding clubs.
>>
>Bureaucratic nonsense!
>They only need apply for an existing use certificate
>if someone complains that they are in contravention
>of the legal planning use and the local authority can't
>refuse or limit them (due to the time the use has existed)
>so it's just a waste of everybody's time.
>70 years even predates the Town & Country Planning
>Act 1947 which brought in the concept of the planning
>permission!
>Robert John
>Duo Sierra-India
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| Subject: | Not Europa, but of interest... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
Graham, You know you want to dump the Lycosaurus - Jeremy can put his hands
on a couple of decent engines "one careful owner, mach 1 certified"..... ;-p
Cheers
Paul Sweeting.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bunting
Subject: Europa-List: Not Europa, but of interest...
XCOR's EZ-Rocket flew into the history books on Saturday. The craft made a
record-setting point-to-point flight, departing from the Mojave California
Spaceport, gliding to a touchdown at a neighbouring airport in California
City.
Full story at
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/12/05/xcor.rocket/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Paul,
I read with interest your release on Kemble. Unfortunately,
there is little concrete information on which to act. Perhaps if we got the
details of the 'movers and shakers' responsible, a salutory note from
abroad (say, 5 continents) might alert them to what they are playing with.
We have the same problem here, where contractors and 'people of
import' have their eyes on useful and historical lands - for their own
fortunes without regard to overall public values.
Cheers, Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting"
<europa@percyville.plus.com>
|
| Forward of a current discussion on uk.rec.aviation.soaring
| Regarding the emergence of possible planning problems at Kemble.
| Seems the nimby's are getting noticed by the council planners and local
| press.
|
| What is the effect on the several Europa owners & Gloster strut members
whom
| reside there? Is there a defence being mounted and how can I support this?
|
| Paul Sweeting
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Glider Pilot Network [mailto:www@gliderpilot.net]
| To: Percy Ville
| Subject: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble
|
| Newsgroup: uk.rec.aviation.soaring
| Subject: Re: Kemble
| Date/Time: 20:58 08 December 2005
| Reading the local newspapers what has happened is that
| they have upset the locals over noise as it is probably
| far noisier now than when the MOD were in residence,
| especially in the later years of their tenure.
|
| This has resulted in the 'previous use' that was used
| to continue flying ops after the MOD left to be questioned
| on the basis that the site was a maintenance and repair
| facility rather than a general flying and training
| one. Now, how you repair aircraft without flying them
| I don't know so this should provide an amount of local
| fun in the newspapers.
|
| Cheers
|
| Robin
| At 16:01 08 December 2005, Robert John wrote:
| >At 15:19 08 December 2005, Bernard Smyth wrote:
| >>Kemble airfield operators have been told they need
| >>to apply for planning
| >>permission to keep the place going. Locals have been
| >>moaning! It's only
| >>been an airfield for 70 years. Although it's not a
| >>gliding site, it makes you
| >>wonder if this retrospective heavyhandidness could
| >>affect gliding clubs.
| >>
| >Bureaucratic nonsense!
| >They only need apply for an existing use certificate
| >if someone complains that they are in contravention
| >of the legal planning use and the local authority can't
| >refuse or limit them (due to the time the use has existed)
| >so it's just a waste of everybody's time.
| >70 years even predates the Town & Country Planning
| >Act 1947 which brought in the concept of the planning
| >permission!
| >Robert John
| >Duo Sierra-India
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 wanted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Geoff Leedham" <sideslip@tiscali.co.uk>
Second hand Rotax 912 wanted for a friends project.
If anyone knows of one or is thinking of upgrading to a 912S can you please
contact me.
Geoff Leedham
G-EOFS Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Ferg, I guess everybody over here would welcome input on a potential
problem at Kemble - we don't want to find ourselves with another act of wanton
vandalism like Meigs. Thanks for the offer.
Patrick
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| Subject: | fuel sender location |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
I installed my fuel tank probe on the starboard (passenger) side of the
fuel tank a long time
ago. It seems to work fine there. But in the Europa Mod instructions, it
says to mount it
on the port side. I don't understand the reasoning for that. The way mine
is mounted, it
just reads fuel level on the starboard side (the side the fuel filler hose
comes in on) until it
reads empty, then I still have the 2 gal reserve on the pilot side. Is
there a problem with this?
Also, on my sight gage, I have it marked for every 2 gal and always check
it before flight
but during flight, it always displays 2-3 gal less even right after takeoff.
Very unnerving!
I have the upper end of the sight gage teed into a fuel return line from the
engine which
enters the tank along with the fuel filler hose. Would the fuel pressure in
the fuel return
line be forcing the fuel level down in the sight gage?
Glenn
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| Subject: | Re: fuel sender location |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Glenn
Your gauge reading 2 low is the same on my installation. I found the reading returned
to correct when I switch the fuel selector to the reserve side of the
tank. I reasoned that the fuel flow through the "T" was causing a reduction in
the pressure in the fuel line and lowered the fuel level in the sight tube and
also in my gauge.
FUY I rely on fuel flow and fuel remaining from my engine monitor to help gauge
the tanks fuel remaining. Flight time is another very important factor to help
me know my fuel reserve.
Here in the "upper left-hand corner" of the USA the weather is very bad of tank
condensation, so try to keep it full. The helps a lot with the "warm fussy feeling"
that I have lots of gas. I seldom fly more that 3 hours at full throttle.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: GLENN CROWDER
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:58 AM
Subject: Europa-List: fuel sender location
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
I installed my fuel tank probe on the starboard (passenger) side of the
fuel tank a long time
ago. It seems to work fine there. But in the Europa Mod instructions, it
says to mount it
on the port side. I don't understand the reasoning for that. The way mine
is mounted, it
just reads fuel level on the starboard side (the side the fuel filler hose
comes in on) until it
reads empty, then I still have the 2 gal reserve on the pilot side. Is
there a problem with this?
Also, on my sight gage, I have it marked for every 2 gal and always check
it before flight
but during flight, it always displays 2-3 gal less even right after takeoff.
Very unnerving!
I have the upper end of the sight gage teed into a fuel return line from the
engine which
enters the tank along with the fuel filler hose. Would the fuel pressure in
the fuel return
line be forcing the fuel level down in the sight gage?
Glenn
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
I believe it is pretty toxic stuff - perhaps the best advice is to get
someone else to do it! Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Nextel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Anyone got any tips for spraying Nextel?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart
>
> G-GIDY
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Salt Lake City Area |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi All
Have we any U.S. members around the Salt Lake area as Kate and I will be
there for our annual skiing holiday around the end of January 2006 and
would love to meet up if possible?
Alan
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| Subject: | fuel sender location |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Unless I have misunderstood, your setup is not standard.
According to the manual, the Starboard (filler) side is the reserve and the
port is the main. The return from the engine should go to the reserve side
to ensure that the reserve is always full.
If your return is to the starboard side and you use all your fuel from the
starboard side there is no guarantee that there will be fuel in the port
side depending on turbulence etc
Regards
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GLENN CROWDER
Subject: Europa-List: fuel sender location
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER"
--> <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
I installed my fuel tank probe on the starboard (passenger) side of the
fuel tank a long time
ago. It seems to work fine there. But in the Europa Mod instructions, it
says to mount it
on the port side. I don't understand the reasoning for that. The way mine
is mounted, it
just reads fuel level on the starboard side (the side the fuel filler hose
comes in on) until it
reads empty, then I still have the 2 gal reserve on the pilot side. Is
there a problem with this?
Also, on my sight gage, I have it marked for every 2 gal and always check
it before flight
but during flight, it always displays 2-3 gal less even right after takeoff.
Very unnerving!
I have the upper end of the sight gage teed into a fuel return line from the
engine which
enters the tank along with the fuel filler hose. Would the fuel pressure in
the fuel return
line be forcing the fuel level down in the sight gage?
Glenn
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
All,
Beyond the lines: Beside the local Kemble issues - politics all around Europe -
the EAS (Experimental Aviation of Switzerland) is
not very happy the PFA silently took over the same weekend slot - harmonized between
the European homebuilder community, including
the IEV (Austria), RSA (France) and OUV (Germany) for years.
Left a message early December to David Wise (schedule collector for the u.r.a.s
publications - thank you David, very useful for the
community!), we received the following message:
---
Dear Kurt,
Dave Wise has passed on to me the e.mail you sent to him about you Fly-In in Switzerland.
This was the only date that I could get
for our rally at this late point in the year due to other considerations of the
airfield we are using. It is obviously too late in
the year to find a new airfield for our 2006 rally. I do not know yet what we
are going to do next year (2007) as we have to make a
success of 2006 before that decision is taken. We have had 2 years of very poor
weather and heavy losses to make up so the PFA
committee were not sure how to proceed and I managed to persuade them that we do
need a rally and this is how it turned out. Lets
keep in touch for the future and I will try to avoid your event.
Regards Cliff Mort
PFA Rally Chairman.
---
In the recent years - weather permitting - the Swiss EAS Fly-In was well visited
by aircraft from all around Europe (including a lot
of Europas!) and I tend to say every year a success for the visitors.
Covering certain high risks with such international events here at the nice places
in Switzerland (e.g. meteo - like last year in
Raron!), the EAS has to face pressures for a success (read: no major losses over
the years - not even speaking all the frustration
welcoming just some hand full of aircraft - well, most from the U.K. and Eire),
too.
Understand the local issues in Kemble, but I'm still very disappointed about sharing
the same weekend, as it's raising the risk for
both country organizations.
Seasonal wishes,
-Kurt.
EAS Webmaster
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Paul,
I read with interest your release on Kemble. Unfortunately,
there is little concrete information on which to act. Perhaps if we got the
details of the 'movers and shakers' responsible, a salutory note from
abroad (say, 5 continents) might alert them to what they are playing with.
We have the same problem here, where contractors and 'people of
import' have their eyes on useful and historical lands - for their own
fortunes without regard to overall public values.
Cheers, Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting"
<europa@percyville.plus.com>
|
| Forward of a current discussion on uk.rec.aviation.soaring
| Regarding the emergence of possible planning problems at Kemble.
| Seems the nimby's are getting noticed by the council planners and local
| press.
|
| What is the effect on the several Europa owners & Gloster strut members
whom
| reside there? Is there a defence being mounted and how can I support this?
|
| Paul Sweeting
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Glider Pilot Network [mailto:www@gliderpilot.net]
| To: Percy Ville
| Subject: [u.r.a.s] Re: Kemble
|
| Newsgroup: uk.rec.aviation.soaring
| Subject: Re: Kemble
| Date/Time: 20:58 08 December 2005
| Reading the local newspapers what has happened is that
| they have upset the locals over noise as it is probably
| far noisier now than when the MOD were in residence,
| especially in the later years of their tenure.
|
| This has resulted in the 'previous use' that was used
| to continue flying ops after the MOD left to be questioned
| on the basis that the site was a maintenance and repair
| facility rather than a general flying and training
| one. Now, how you repair aircraft without flying them
| I don't know so this should provide an amount of local
| fun in the newspapers.
|
| Cheers
|
| Robin
| At 16:01 08 December 2005, Robert John wrote:
| >At 15:19 08 December 2005, Bernard Smyth wrote:
| >>Kemble airfield operators have been told they need
| >>to apply for planning
| >>permission to keep the place going. Locals have been
| >>moaning! It's only
| >>been an airfield for 70 years. Although it's not a
| >>gliding site, it makes you
| >>wonder if this retrospective heavyhandidness could
| >>affect gliding clubs.
| >>
| >Bureaucratic nonsense!
| >They only need apply for an existing use certificate
| >if someone complains that they are in contravention
| >of the legal planning use and the local authority can't
| >refuse or limit them (due to the time the use has existed)
| >so it's just a waste of everybody's time.
| >70 years even predates the Town & Country Planning
| >Act 1947 which brought in the concept of the planning
| >permission!
| >Robert John
| >Duo Sierra-India
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | fuel sender location |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Simon and (Glen "needs a heads up")
I have to say that your message below is "right on the money". You "took
the words out of my mouth!"
The unfortunate fact though is that since the reserve is the filler
side and also is therefore guaranteed to be filled every fill up so the
remainder of the fuel entered will spill over the saddle into the main
side always ensuring the reserve to have been topped up, it is also the
most likely side to have the most crap contamination being put in and if
the reserve side filters become overwhelmed they won't any longer be a
reserve!
If it were possible to ensure that the port side was automatically
filled every fill up and the bulk filling be put into the starboard side
then it would be most likely that the Starboard side would contain the
crap and the port side would be the most sure source as a reserve.
Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel sender location
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Unless I have misunderstood, your setup is not standard.
According to the manual, the Starboard (filler) side is the reserve and
the
port is the main. The return from the engine should go to the reserve
side
to ensure that the reserve is always full.
If your return is to the starboard side and you use all your fuel from
the
starboard side there is no guarantee that there will be fuel in the port
side depending on turbulence etc
Regards
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GLENN
CROWDER
Subject: Europa-List: fuel sender location
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER"
--> <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
I installed my fuel tank probe on the starboard (passenger) side of
the
fuel tank a long time
ago. It seems to work fine there. But in the Europa Mod instructions,
it
says to mount it
on the port side. I don't understand the reasoning for that. The way
mine
is mounted, it
just reads fuel level on the starboard side (the side the fuel filler
hose
comes in on) until it
reads empty, then I still have the 2 gal reserve on the pilot side. Is
there a problem with this?
Also, on my sight gage, I have it marked for every 2 gal and always
check
it before flight
but during flight, it always displays 2-3 gal less even right after
takeoff.
Very unnerving!
I have the upper end of the sight gage teed into a fuel return line from
the
engine which
enters the tank along with the fuel filler hose. Would the fuel
pressure in
the fuel return
line be forcing the fuel level down in the sight gage?
Glenn
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| Subject: | fuel sender location |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi,
We try to regularly switch to the reserve side for several minutes in
order to verify that the reserve still 'works'. We do this of course at
altitude in a safe part of the flight, in case the reserve IS plugged up
and we need to switch back immediately. I strongly recommend this
practice regardless of which side is thought more likely to get
contaminated, remembering, of course, to switch back to the main side
before the fuel level reaches the 'hump'.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel sender location
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Simon and (Glen "needs a heads up")
I have to say that your message below is "right on the money". You "took
the words out of my mouth!"
The unfortunate fact though is that since the reserve is the filler
side and also is therefore guaranteed to be filled every fill up so the
remainder of the fuel entered will spill over the saddle into the main
side always ensuring the reserve to have been topped up, it is also the
most likely side to have the most crap contamination being put in and if
the reserve side filters become overwhelmed they won't any longer be a
reserve!
If it were possible to ensure that the port side was automatically
filled every fill up and the bulk filling be put into the starboard side
then it would be most likely that the Starboard side would contain the
crap and the port side would be the most sure source as a reserve.
Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel sender location
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Unless I have misunderstood, your setup is not standard.
According to the manual, the Starboard (filler) side is the reserve and
the port is the main. The return from the engine should go to the
reserve side to ensure that the reserve is always full.
If your return is to the starboard side and you use all your fuel from
the starboard side there is no guarantee that there will be fuel in the
port side depending on turbulence etc
Regards
Simon
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Good plan, but why not do it during a ground run-up?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel sender location
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)"
> <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> We try to regularly switch to the reserve side for several minutes in
> order to verify that the reserve still 'works'. We do this of course at
> altitude in a safe part of the flight, in case the reserve IS plugged up
> and we need to switch back immediately. I strongly recommend this
> practice regardless of which side is thought more likely to get
> contaminated, remembering, of course, to switch back to the main side
> before the fuel level reaches the 'hump'.
>
> Regards,
> Terry Seaver
> A135 / N135TD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> R.C.Harrison
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel sender location
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Simon and (Glen "needs a heads up")
> I have to say that your message below is "right on the money". You "took
> the words out of my mouth!"
> The unfortunate fact though is that since the reserve is the filler
> side and also is therefore guaranteed to be filled every fill up so the
> remainder of the fuel entered will spill over the saddle into the main
> side always ensuring the reserve to have been topped up, it is also the
> most likely side to have the most crap contamination being put in and if
> the reserve side filters become overwhelmed they won't any longer be a
> reserve!
> If it were possible to ensure that the port side was automatically
> filled every fill up and the bulk filling be put into the starboard side
> then it would be most likely that the Starboard side would contain the
> crap and the port side would be the most sure source as a reserve.
> Regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all.
>
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel sender location
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
> Unless I have misunderstood, your setup is not standard.
>
> According to the manual, the Starboard (filler) side is the reserve and
> the port is the main. The return from the engine should go to the
> reserve side to ensure that the reserve is always full.
> If your return is to the starboard side and you use all your fuel from
> the starboard side there is no guarantee that there will be fuel in the
> port side depending on turbulence etc
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | USH Spinner for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
I have a USH Fiberglas Spinner for which I have no use.
Specifications:
Make: Warp Drive
Size: 10" (ext)
Hub: RTX 4 inch
Style: 3 BLADE
I am asking $100 (ACS price $139). I will pay shipping in the
U.S.A. Outside the U.S.A. I'll ask for shipping as well.
I have posted pics on my builders web site (see signature block).
Look for the FOR SALE album.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done, baggage bay in. Completing the
firewall-aft fuel system and fitting the instrument panel. Working
in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30
Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.
Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
It would take several minutes to flush 'main' side fuel out of the
system before being able to verify the reserve side is indeed good, with
the coolant heating up in the meantime due to poor ground cooling
(especially at run-up power). The fuel flow would be lower than in
flight, and the deck angle different, making the test less consistent
with flight conditions. Running the engine for 10-20 minutes in flight
might also tend to bring more contaminants or water (if any) into the
filter or gascolator than a short run during run-up.
Regards,
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel sender location
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
--> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Good plan, but why not do it during a ground run-up?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel sender location
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)"
> <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> We try to regularly switch to the reserve side for several minutes in
> order to verify that the reserve still 'works'. We do this of course
at
> altitude in a safe part of the flight, in case the reserve IS plugged
up
> and we need to switch back immediately. I strongly recommend this
> practice regardless of which side is thought more likely to get
> contaminated, remembering, of course, to switch back to the main side
> before the fuel level reaches the 'hump'.
>
> Regards,
> Terry Seaver
> A135 / N135TD
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR(Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Tony
Your system sounds as if it is exactly what everyone is looking for! But
many of us would need to be spoon-fed with access to the bits we could just
install.
I am not and electronics person; is there a full description or a drawing of
an installation anywhere that we could all study.
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >> Question to Tony K is -
>
> >>Is a hole needed to be cut into the tank or is a sensor dropped into
> the main tank through the outlet so that only a couple of wires come
> out?
>
> No, there is no incursion into the tank as the sensor sits in the sight
> gauge line.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
>
>
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