---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/10/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:41 AM - Re: Fuel sender etc. (Paul McAllister) 2. 07:45 AM - Re: Fuel sender etc. (Michael Grass) 3. 08:43 AM - Monowheel brake line (Fergus Kyle) 4. 10:41 AM - Re: Fuel sender etc. (Paul McAllister) 5. 10:58 AM - Re: Monowheel brake line (Robert Borger) 6. 12:17 PM - [ Sven den Boer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 7. 01:40 PM - Fw: Monowheel brake line (Fergus Kyle) 8. 03:50 PM - Technical question - master switch (Richard Holder) 9. 05:22 PM - Re: Technical question - master switch (Robert Borger) 10. 05:46 PM - AvMap EKP-4 (JEFF ROBERTS) 11. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Technical question - master switch (Cliff Shaw) 12. 08:26 PM - First Flight (Robert Berube) 13. 08:46 PM - Re: Fuel sender etc. (Michael Grass) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:46 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Bob, Under March 2004, Monday 29 I have acouple of pictures of the assembled unit on my work bench. I don't seem to have any of it installed in my aircraft, I'll keep looking to see if I can find some. http://europa363.versadev.com/ Paul ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:36 AM PST US From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Hi Paul, Hi Tony, just a question regarding the pressure sensor. Do you mount the sensor at the lowest point possible or above max fuel level. The reason for this question is: If mounted above max fuel level then how would you detect a small air leak over time on a fuel tank? I would see the tank going empty by just some very tiny air leak. If you have the sensor at the bottom level: How chemical resistant is the pressure sensor and what is the possibility that the fuel varnish inside the tubes and the sensor and causes a blockage with the worst kind scenario a full reading on an empty tank? I am part owner on a C150 with auto fuel STC. When we got the plane the plane was sitting for a while and the fuel varnished and gummed up all the drain valves etc. Also a EAA member brought a piece of rubberized fuel line into our meeting. The fuel line was totally destroyed by the mogas. Thanks Michael Grass A266 Trigear Detroit Top bonded on but wings not started yet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > > Bob, > > Under March 2004, Monday 29 I have acouple of pictures of the assembled > unit > on my work bench. I don't seem to have any of it installed in my > aircraft, > I'll keep looking to see if I can find some. > > http://europa363.versadev.com/ > > Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:10 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel brake line --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cheers, Another cry in the wilderness - Ever since assembling the monowheel and retraction system, I have installed the brake line, with a female connection on the bottom. The lower brake cylinder has also a female connector, but without a double male (maybe ell) connector, I cannot complete the line installation. I have scanned the lists of components but can't find a description of the brake line or its parts - perhaps even a double male connection. I DO find the red plastic plug which sits in the lower cylinder, but nothing similar for real. Plea: Does someone have the nomenclature for the monowheel brakeline system and components so I can see what they are? Any gems of advice readily accepted with thanks............ ferg A064 914 hanging nearby, waiting for firewall waiting for brakeline completion &sf. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:22 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Michael et all. The sensor must be mounted at the lowest point in the fuel system. I Tee'd off the water drain on one side of the tank. The sensor is mounted right on the end of the T and I have it bonded to the floor of the aircraft under the baggage bay on the pilot's side. The Electronics is mounted very close by. The sensor is supposed to be impervious to chemicals. I have run auto gas for 20 months with no ill effect. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Grass Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Hi Paul, Hi Tony, just a question regarding the pressure sensor. Do you mount the sensor at the lowest point possible or above max fuel level. The reason for this question is: If mounted above max fuel level then how would you detect a small air leak over time on a fuel tank? I would see the tank going empty by just some very tiny air leak. If you have the sensor at the bottom level: How chemical resistant is the pressure sensor and what is the possibility that the fuel varnish inside the tubes and the sensor and causes a blockage with the worst kind scenario a full reading on an empty tank? I am part owner on a C150 with auto fuel STC. When we got the plane the plane was sitting for a while and the fuel varnished and gummed up all the drain valves etc. Also a EAA member brought a piece of rubberized fuel line into our meeting. The fuel line was totally destroyed by the mogas. Thanks Michael Grass A266 Trigear Detroit Top bonded on but wings not started yet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > > Bob, > > Under March 2004, Monday 29 I have acouple of pictures of the assembled > unit > on my work bench. I don't seem to have any of it installed in my > aircraft, > I'll keep looking to see if I can find some. > > http://europa363.versadev.com/ > > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:02 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel brake line --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger Ferg, Check out my build site (signature block). Go to Year #3, Q1 2004, page 3. About half way down you should see pics of my brake caliper and line assembled. See if this is what you have. Perhaps you can see any bit that's missing. Like that little elbow maybe? I hope this helps. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done, baggage bay in. Completing the firewall-aft fuel system and fitting the instrument panel. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: [ Sven den Boer ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Europa-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Sven den Boer Lists: Europa-List Subject: Aft Muffler Springhinges http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/svendenboer@quicknet.nl.12.10.2005/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:01 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Monowheel brake line --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cheers, As for the cry in the wilderness, Bob Borger answered instantly with pic #131 in his interesting photo log which showed the offending item clearly, With that in mind, I rifled through a number of oleomargerine boxes to find item #122BPAC, Quant. 1, Batch: N/A ,which looks a lot like the offending part. Bob, thanks again, and to the flock my apologies for taking your time. What a list this is.......... best, Ferg Brakeline on, firewall intro, engine awaiting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Monowheel brake line | Cheers, | Another cry in the wilderness - | Ever since assembling the monowheel and retraction system, I | have installed the brake line, with a female connection on the bottom. The | lower brake cylinder has also a female connector, but without a double male | (maybe ell) connector, I cannot complete the line installation. | I have scanned the lists of components but can't find a | description of the brake line or its parts - perhaps even a double male | connection. I DO find the red plastic plug which sits in the lower cylinder, | but nothing similar for real. | Plea: Does someone have the nomenclature for the monowheel | brakeline system and components so I can see what they are? | Any gems of advice readily accepted with thanks............ | ferg | A064 | 914 hanging nearby, waiting for firewall waiting for brakeline completion | &sf. | ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:47 PM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: Technical question - master switch --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Hi Team - a question for you to ponder As a part of my plan to redo my panel I have bought a "Cessna Split Master switch" red, as per Cessnas and Pipers. I was wondering whether anyone who has used one has any commments about their reliability, and whether or not relays were used. I say that because in the Cessna application the battery side operates a relay (< 1 amp) and the alt side switches the field windings of the alternator (max 2 - 3 amps) If this switch is used on the Europa (Rotax) to switch the full flowing current (max 19 amps for the alt and maybe as much as 25 for the battery) but is only designed for 2 or 3 it is likely to fail. Unless of course it is over-engineered ! I have seen this switch in some Europas but I have no idea whether they use relays. (To be honest I am not sure that the alt side can be relayed anyway). All your thoughts would be much appreciated. My existing battery and alt switches are two pole toggle switches, with a 15 amp capacity on each pole, wired in parallel. Hope this generates some bandwidth ! TIA Richard ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:18 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: Re: Technical question - master switch --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger Richard, The battery side should operate the master relay. Don't even think about running the main bus current through it! The Alternator side will probably be OK to run the field for the Rotax alternator. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done, baggage bay in. Completing the firewall-aft fuel system and fitting the instrument panel. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:36 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: AvMap EKP-4 --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Hi All, I have decided to go in another direction so I'll be selling my AvMap EKP-4. It is a large 7.5'' screen, portable GPS. All the major suppliers sell and support them. I paid 1 year ago $1495.00 US dollars. My plan was to panel mount it but I have gotten used to another unit so I'll be changing my plans. Pleas contact me off list if you are interested in making me an offer. Best Regards, Jeff R A258 Interior going in. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:59 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Technical question - master switch --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" I have wired up two Europe's,and use that switch on both of them. The Rotax alternator does not have a wire to disconnect it. The switch has been carrying the buss load just fine. Remember this is a little airplane. Your battery is 18 ampere hours and the alternator is about 18 amps flat out at high RPM. Yes, a buss relay is OK, but I did not use one. (can't fail if it is not there) There, I feel Better ! :) Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:19 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: Europa-List: First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Europa N531RP conventional taildragger owned by Richard Parzoch took to the air on Dec. 6 at Zephyrhills Airport in Zephyrhills, FL. N531RP is powered with a Jabiru 3300 turning a Sensenich fixed prop. Through today, Richard had over 12 hours on his Europa. The aircraft was completed at our Flight Crafters facility and will fly off the 40 hour requirement before flying to Upstate New York where it will be based. Registration N531RP Conventional Taildragger Builder # A320 Owner Richard Parzoch Pilot First Flt Richard Parzoch Empty Weight 855 First Flight Airport Zephyrhills, Florida Richard does not subscribe to the thread but if there are any questions regarding the 3300 installation, feel free to contact me off-line. Bob Berube Flight Crafters, LLC 813 779-1156 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:29 PM PST US From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Paul, thanks, this location is a great idea. I think the key here is that the sensor sits right at the T and you have regular fuel flowing / flushing the line which then would prevent the fuel to varnish if done so regularly. Do you have a source for the sensor in the US? Thanks Michael Grass A266 Trigear, Detroit MI Top bonded on, wings not started yet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > > Michael et all. > > > The sensor must be mounted at the lowest point in the fuel system. I > Tee'd > off the water drain on one side of the tank. The sensor is mounted right > on > the end of the T and I have it bonded to the floor of the aircraft under > the > baggage bay on the pilot's side. The Electronics is mounted very close > by. > > The sensor is supposed to be impervious to chemicals. I have run auto gas > for 20 months with no ill effect. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Grass > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > Hi Paul, Hi Tony, > > just a question regarding the pressure sensor. Do you mount the sensor at > the lowest point possible or above max fuel level. The reason for this > question is: If mounted above max fuel level then how would you detect a > small air leak over time on a fuel tank? I would see the tank going empty > by > just some very tiny air leak. If you have the sensor at the bottom level: > How chemical resistant is the pressure sensor and what is the possibility > that the fuel varnish inside the tubes and the sensor and causes a > blockage > with the worst kind scenario a full reading on an empty tank? I am part > owner on a C150 with auto fuel STC. When we got the plane the plane was > sitting for a while and the fuel varnished and gummed up all the drain > valves etc. Also a EAA member brought a piece of rubberized fuel line into > our meeting. The fuel line was totally destroyed by the mogas. > > Thanks > > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear Detroit > Top bonded on but wings not started yet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul McAllister" > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel sender etc. > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" >> >> >> Bob, >> >> Under March 2004, Monday 29 I have acouple of pictures of the assembled >> unit >> on my work bench. I don't seem to have any of it installed in my >> aircraft, >> I'll keep looking to see if I can find some. >> >> http://europa363.versadev.com/ >> >> Paul >> >> > > >