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1. 01:40 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (G-IANI)
2. 01:55 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (MR!PAUL MITCHELL)
3. 01:58 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Richard Holder)
4. 02:41 AM - Re: Re: skydrive carb heater mod ()
5. 03:13 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Richard Holder)
6. 03:26 AM - FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Alan Burrows)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
8. 06:55 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Jeremy Davey)
9. 07:08 AM - CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Richard Holder)
10. 09:10 AM - Re: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Trevpond@AOL.COM)
11. 09:33 AM - After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas ) (Mike Parkin)
12. 09:49 AM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeremy Davey)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Mike Parkin)
14. 11:26 AM - Glider Ailerons (Jim Butcher)
15. 11:28 AM - Re: After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas ) (R.C.Harrison)
16. 11:59 AM - Re: The Days are Getting Longer (Duncan McFadyean)
17. 12:35 PM - Oil Thermostat mod (Richard Holder)
18. 12:47 PM - CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden)
19. 01:09 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeff B)
20. 01:10 PM - CHRISTMAS GREETINGS & ELT Question (JEFF ROBERTS)
21. 01:26 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeremy Davey)
22. 02:49 PM - Re: Oil Thermostat mod (Mike Parkin)
23. 03:26 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Alan Burrows)
24. 03:31 PM - Europa Message Database (MJKTuck@cs.com)
25. 03:45 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeremy Davey)
26. 03:46 PM - Re: First Flight (Rowland Carson)
27. 04:00 PM - Re: Europa Message Database (N914RB)
28. 04:01 PM - Re: Europa Message Database (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden)
29. 04:09 PM - Mod 70 (Cliff Shaw)
30. 05:52 PM - Re: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Rob Housman)
31. 06:27 PM - Reflexed flaps ()
32. 06:56 PM - Replacement Outrigger Wheels (MJKTuck@cs.com)
33. 10:22 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (William Mills)
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| Subject: | skydrive carb heater mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod approved "All of Type".
PFA have approved it at least twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well
it gives them something to do).
In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod (with
improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will be considered
over the winter".
If you need a copy of the documentation let me know
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: skydrive carb heater mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
Yes please,
I fitted mine to the carbs yesterday.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
> The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod approved "All of Type".
> PFA have approved it at least twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951
> (well
> it gives them something to do).
>
> In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod
> (with
> improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will be
> considered
> over the winter".
>
> If you need a copy of the documentation let me know
>
>
> Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: skydrive carb heater mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
G-IANI wrote:
> The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod
> approved "All of Type". PFA have approved it at least
> twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well it gives
> them something to do).
>
> In October I put in the application to convert it to a
> "Standard" mod (with improved documentation) and
> received the reply that this "will be considered over
> the winter".
Don't they work quickly ! NOT !
Did you make any progress on the water thermostat ? I see
that Franz in Germany (Rotax dealers) actually have a
water thermostat advertised on their web-site.
www.franz-aircraft.de (sorry in German but it is easy to
navigate !)
(The Mocal oil thermostat is already a PFA approved mod
for "All of type" and will be going on in the early New Year).
--
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: skydrive carb heater mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Is there anything to apply for? I'm sure I'll get shot down in flames but the way
that I (and my inspector) read the PFA document on the use of 'Approved for
all types' (TL3.07) document, the PFA don't need to be involved (though you need
to record it in your permit next permit application)
You just complete the PFA form SF9 from their website, fit the carb heat kit, get
your inspector to sign the form and 'retain the completed form with the aircraft
documentation' (as it says on the form). And note the fitting in the engine
log book.
I included the fitting of the Mod in my very recent permit application together
with a copy of the SF9 - permit was back within about 3 days.
>
> From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
> Date: 2005/12/23 Fri AM 09:38:39 GMT
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
> The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod approved "All of Type".
> PFA have approved it at least twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well
> it gives them something to do).
>
> In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod (with
> improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will be considered
> over the winter".
>
> If you need a copy of the documentation let me know
>
>
> Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: skydrive carb heater mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Is there anything to apply for? I'm sure I'll get shot
> down in flames but the way that I (and my inspector)
> read the PFA document on the use of 'Approved for all
> types' (TL3.07) document, the PFA don't need to be
> involved (though you need to record it in your permit
> next permit application)
>
> You just complete the PFA form SF9 from their website,
> fit the carb heat kit, get your inspector to sign the
> form and 'retain the completed form with the aircraft
> documentation' (as it says on the form). And note the
> fitting in the engine log book.
>
> I included the fitting of the Mod in my very recent
> permit application together with a copy of the SF9 -
> permit was back within about 3 days.
>
Ian was trying to get the mod "upgraded" from "approved
for all types" to "a standard mod". Both allow the SF9
route as you describe, but the "approved for all types"
were authorised earlier so the documentation is not
necessarily so good.
So the only difference would be that the documentation
would be "better" :-)
Richard
Ps I cringed when I addressed the pressing on of the carb
heater (100 each) onto a carb (400 each ?) that I
chickened out and sent the whole lot back to SkyDrive to
do. The best 20 insurance premium I have ever paid ! So
much easier to do when you have done 100 previously - you
know how mcuh to file off and how hard you can squeeze (or
hit with a hammer !)
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| Subject: | FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..!
Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress,
non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious
persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with total respect for
the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, and their
choice not to practise religious or secular traditions at all... and a
fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated
recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006,
but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other
cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Britain great
(not to imply the Britain is necessarily greater than any other country
nor is it the only "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without
regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious
faith, sexual orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee.
By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting
is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable
with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by
the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or
others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole
discretion of the wisher.
This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual
application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the
issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and
warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new
wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.
Merry Christmas to everyone
Alan Burrows
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| Subject: | Re: skydrive carb heater mod |
23/12/2005 09:26:15 AM,
Serialize complete at 23/12/2005 09:26:15 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Things could always be worse, here in the great white north I'm now in my
4th month waiting for Transport Canada to get their heads around the
Skydrive system. So far the only progress I've made is the suggestion that
it has moved from being not acceptable to not recommended.
At this point in time any response from TC, in either official language,
would be welcomed, even if it was just telling me to get lost.
Bob's reports on late model kits regularly departing from Zephyrhills
makes me feel most envious ( and a bit sheepish over my slow progress).
I'm a bit out of touch on my English vernacular, William's " putting up a
shelf" means?
Christmas greetings to all
Dave A061
skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod
> approved "All of Type". PFA have approved it at least
> twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well it gives
> them something to do).
>
> In October I put in the application to convert it to a
> "Standard" mod (with improved documentation) and
> received the reply that this "will be considered over
> the winter".
Don't they work quickly ! NOT !
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| Subject: | skydrive carb heater mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Dave,
It's not vernacular - he means fitting a shelf to a wall! :-)
Best wishes of the season to all,
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Things could always be worse, here in the great white north I'm now in my
4th month waiting for Transport Canada to get their heads around the
Skydrive system. So far the only progress I've made is the suggestion that
it has moved from being not acceptable to not recommended.
At this point in time any response from TC, in either official language,
would be welcomed, even if it was just telling me to get lost.
Bob's reports on late model kits regularly departing from Zephyrhills makes
me feel most envious ( and a bit sheepish over my slow progress).
I'm a bit out of touch on my English vernacular, William's " putting up a
shelf" means?
Christmas greetings to all
Dave A061
skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod
> approved "All of Type". PFA have approved it at least twice under the
> numbers 10424 and 10951 (well it gives them something to do).
>
> In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod
> (with improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will
> be considered over the winter".
Don't they work quickly ! NOT !
========
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| Subject: | CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Alan Burrows wrote:
> Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..!
>
> Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit,
> my best wishes for an environmentally conscious,
> socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender
> neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday,
> practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the
> religious persuasion or secular practices of your
> choice, with total respect for the religious/secular
> persuasions and/or traditions of others, and their
> choice not to practise religious or secular traditions
> at all... and a fiscally successful, personally
> fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of
> the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006,
> but not without due respect for the calendars of
> choice of other cultures whose contributions to society
> have helped make Britain great (not to imply the
> Britain is necessarily greater than any other country
> nor is it the only "BRITAIN" in the northern
> hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed,
> colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual
> orientation and choice of computer platform of the
> wishee. By accepting this greeting, you are accepting
> these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification
> or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no
> alteration to the original greeting. It implies no
> promise by the wishee actually to implement any of the
> wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where
> prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole
> discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to
> perform as expected within the usual application of
> good tidings for a period of one year, or until the
> issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever
> comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of
> this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole
> discretion of the wisher.
> Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows
:-)
Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain
not-so-Great and I blame the self-enhancement of the
lawyers in politics.
Richard
PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I
wouldn't have said it ! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
HI Allan,
I think it's called "Fence Sitting"!!!
Happy Christmas to you both.
Trev P
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| Subject: | After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas |
)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Mainly for European Europa types - but open to all our brethren across the pond
- if you can make it.
Now that the PFA in it's infinite wisdom, and lack of consideration for anyone
else, have chosen to hold the 2006 Flying For Fun on the same weekend as the traditional
Swiss Fly-in. Howsabout a major Europa push to Barkaby instead???
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
He's an accountant, isn't he? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Alan Burrows wrote:
> Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..!
>
> Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best
> wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low
> stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter
> solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of
> the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with
> total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions
> of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular
> traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling
> and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally
> accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the
> calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society
> have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is
> necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only
> "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the race,
> creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual
> orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By
> accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting
> is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable
> with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by
> the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or
> others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the
> sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as
> expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of
> one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting,
> whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this
> wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.
> Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows
:-)
Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain not-so-Great and I
blame the self-enhancement of the lawyers in politics.
Richard
PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I wouldn't have said it
! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: skydrive carb heater mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
> (The Mocal oil thermostat is already a PFA approved mod
> for "All of type" and will be going on in the early New Year).
>
Richard,
Do you have details of this approved Mod and the particular model of
thermostat approved.
I spoke to Francis Donaldson earlier in the year about the introduction of
an oil thermostat, he wasn't too encouraging, so I gave up the idea as I
have wasted too many heartbeats trying to overcome the PFA Mod Scheme red
tape.
Perhaps he had a change of heart.
regards,
Mike
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
When preparing to install the GA 02 plates, do you cut away the entire top flange
of the close out to allow the GA02 to slide in, or do you attempt to cut a
slot at the in the flange of the close out and twist GA 02 into place? (I have
issue 2 page 7-6 of the manual. Looks like one would cut the flange shown in
Fig 13).
BTW, this same page refers to removing a large part of the leading edge to provide
clearance for the aileron push rod. No where in my manual is the further
mention of the installation of the aileron push rod. Can someone refer me to
a source of this information? I downloaded the MG manual from the Europa US website.
No manual came with my MG kit.
Thanks
Jim Butcher
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| Subject: | After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas |
)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Mike.
If the Swiss Rally is the same weekend as the PFA I'm pleased it's a
case of "no contest," it will be Switzerland for me but what's that to
do with Barkaby and the Swedish event?
I still have to tick Hungary and Romania off my list, now if those would
fit into the week between Barkaby and the Danish Stauning ......but I
also have relatives in Gualivare now (North Sweden)and an invite to a
new mid Summer Finish camp fire event( with BBQ Reindeer)...... That
still leaves the Swiss trip which would be probably better combined with
the Hungary and Romania visit except I will have to coincide a visit to
Straubing for a quick MT Propeller overhaul and the beer festival!
What say you P2 Ivor? Or will G-IVOR be up and running by then?
It really is so difficult to decide on these matters !
Regards
And Best wishes to all over the festive season.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Subject: Europa-List: After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka
Christmas )
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
<mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Mainly for European Europa types - but open to all our brethren across
the pond - if you can make it.
Now that the PFA in it's infinite wisdom, and lack of consideration for
anyone else, have chosen to hold the 2006 Flying For Fun on the same
weekend as the traditional Swiss Fly-in. Howsabout a major Europa push
to Barkaby instead???
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: The Days are Getting Longer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I think you'll still get stung for a landing fee at Compton on New Year's
day.
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Days are Getting Longer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> <william@wrmills.plus.com>
>
> A good idea, Rick.
> I have never been to Compton Abbas, so I would quite like to go there, but
> either venue would be fine. Let's do a wx check and then call a DOTH.
> Best wishes,
> William
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rmrrick" <rmrrick@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Days are Getting Longer
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: rmrrick <rmrrick@aol.com>
>>
>> william@wrmills.plus.com wrote:
>>
>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
>>><william@wrmills.plus.com>
>>>
>>>Dear All,
>>>
>>>Everyone must be busy shopping and hanging up the tinsel to earn their
>>>Pink Chitties for the New Year.
>>>
>>>For those in the Northern hemisphere (especially Jos in Lapland) the days
>>>are now getting longer, so it is all downhill from now on.
>>>
>>>I hope to see my local pilots at plenty of DOTHs and perhaps on some of
>>>the longer Continental Excursions in 2006.
>>>
>>>With best wishes to you all for a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and
>>>Prosperous New Year, with lots of flying or building as the case may be.
>>>
>>>William
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I echo that William. Merry Christmas to you and all Europa-Philes. How
>> about a visit to one or other of the advertised New Years Day fly ins at
>> either Popham or Compton Abbas?
>>
>> All the Best
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> G-RIKS
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Mike Parkin wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Do you have details of this approved Mod and the
> particular model of thermostat approved.
>
> I spoke to Francis Donaldson earlier in the year about
> the introduction of an oil thermostat, he wasn't too
> encouraging, so I gave up the idea as I have wasted too
> many heartbeats trying to overcome the PFA Mod Scheme
> red tape.
This is typical of the PFA. The oil thermostat mod was
approved "for all aircraft of this type" on 26 Feb 1999.
Yes really ! Donaldson gave me all that brush off as well,
as did Beale. Not quite true they gave slight pointers but
didn't actually mention the PFA/Europa type mod. Beale did
tell me about the aircraft he built with the mod (G-MIKI)
which he used without ANY mod from the PFA (Just a "by the
way I have put this on" note with the original permit
application !)
It uses a Mocal OT/1 thermostat which has to have its
connection pipes bored out to 10 mm. It can be done ! The
thermostat is available from Think Auto for about 23 plus
VAT but I got mine from Avonbar at Takeley near Stansted
for 14.95 plus VAT (less 5% for on-line). I collected it
! Less than 10 miles away.
Phone the PFA office and ask the girl there in the
Engineering Section for details of mod 10179 and a form SF9.
Or just ask for the details. The form is available on the
web-site.
There are also two lists on the web site
TL 3.06 which is some guff and a list of "Standard Mods"
TL 3.07 which is some more (similar) guff and a list of
mods "approved for all of type".
Read, I won't say "enjoy" !
Under the scheme, approved for all of type, you can
install, have it inspected by your PFA inspector and then
fill in the form SF9 and sent it to the PFA. No money, no
nothing ! No red tape there once you have cut through the
cr*p and got the information in the first instance.
I would recommend that EVERYBODY list off TL 3.06 and TL
3.07. At least 1/3 of each list is for Europas. The
remainder is for another 15 or so PFA types ! Europas are
prodigious here - and there are more of them !
To be fair to the PFA the information is now available on
the web-site and it can easily be acessed. Donaldson
couldn't be expected to remember all of them, although he
could perhaps have looked it up !
All we need now is a similar approved mod for a water
thermostat (it is available from Franz in Germany) and
Europas will run at 80 - 85 indicated water and oil in all
conditions. A ramp can be built in the lower cowling to
redirect all the air through the coolers and the
thermostats will control the amount of fluids going
through the coolers and thus the amount of cooling
applied. Note I say "indicated' as the temp sensor for the
oil is AFTER the cooler and the actual temperature in the
oil tank will be more. But of course you need the oil to
reach 100 degrees for a bit sometimes to boil off any
water. Job done :-)
HTH
Richard
G-WWW - Europa Tri-Gear - Kit 51 - High Cross
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although it can
be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will destroy
the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal achievement, and
do away forever with the concept of personal responsibility. As we plummet
into this morass of liberalism, let us fight the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS
AND HAPPY NEW YEAR".
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings
Cherry, ain't I.
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| Subject: | Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
You hit it on the head, Vaughn. It's liberalism at its best (or worst)
and it's a disease that will fell this great society, if not kept in
check...
Jeff - N55XS
119 Hours and flying to the sandy beaches of S. Texas, the day after
Christmas. MERRY CHRISTMAS, all...
Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
>
> Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although it
can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will destroy
the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal achievement,
and do away forever with the concept of personal responsibility. As we plummet
into this morass of liberalism, let us fight the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS
AND HAPPY NEW YEAR".
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
> N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings
>
> Cherry, ain't I.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CHRISTMAS GREETINGS & ELT Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Hi Vaughn,
I second that as our local news here in Nashville calls our beautiful
lighted downtown tree... The Holiday Tree.
Merry Christ-mas to all of you as well.
Jeff R
A258
Oh and by the way is it OK to mount an ELT upside down as long as it's
headed in the right direction?
Couldn't find anything in the installation manual that says not to, but
I thought I'd ask people smarter in these ways than me. I would like to
mount it under the rear starboard baggage area access panel.
Thanks,
Jeff
A258
On Dec 23, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden"
> <N914VA@starband.net>
>
> Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and,
> although it can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a
> movement that will destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate
> the goal of personal achievement, and do away forever with the concept
> of personal responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of
> liberalism, let us fight the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY
> NEW YEAR".
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
> N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings
>
> Cherry, ain't I.
>
>
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| Subject: | CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Why is it that these days we are discouraged from calling it Christmas, but
God forbid we should call Diwali, etc. anything other than Diwali, etc.?
Sorry, but it does my head in!
Anyway, it's a pagan festival really. Jesus was born in the spring.
(Anyone who wants to do holier-than-thou over my political incorrectness is
respectfully requested to bear in mind how the angel is attached to the
Christmas tree...)
Cheers,
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vaughn & Gaye
Teegarden
Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden"
--> <N914VA@starband.net>
Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although it
can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will
destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal
achievement, and do away forever with the concept of personal
responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of liberalism, let us fight
the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR".
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings
Cherry, ain't I.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Thermostat mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
> This is typical of the PFA. The oil thermostat mod was
> approved "for all aircraft of this type" on 26 Feb 1999.
> Yes really ! Donaldson gave me all that brush off as well,
> as did Beale. Not quite true they gave slight pointers but
> didn't actually mention the PFA/Europa type mod. Beale did
> tell me about the aircraft he built with the mod (G-MIKI)
> which he used without ANY mod from the PFA (Just a "by the
> way I have put this on" note with the original permit
> application !)
>
Richard,
Thanks for all that. A fresh task when the weather picks up a little.
Incidentally, what I didn't mention was that I also spoke to Nigel Beale,
who was no help at all.
I really despair with some of these people.
many thanks,
Mike
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>
He's a bloody entrepreneur...!
and it was a humourous way to show just how crazy the world can be if we
let it..
so lets not fall into the trap of giving it any degree of credibility by
even commenting on all the "pc" nonsense that is produced by the worlds
***** (someone give me a suitable word please)?
Please just accept my heartfelt message of seasonal greetings shouted
from the rooftops.
****************MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY *****************
Alan
> He's an accountant, isn't he? :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Holder
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Alan Burrows wrote:
>
>> Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..!
>>
>> Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best
>> wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low
>> stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter
>> solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of
>> the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with
>> total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions
>> of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular
>> traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling
>> and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally
>> accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the
>> calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society
>> have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is
>> necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only
>> "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the race,
>> creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual
>> orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By
>> accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting
>> is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable
>> with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by
>> the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or
>> others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the
>> sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as
>> expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of
>> one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting,
>> whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this
>> wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.
>
>> Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows
>
> :-)
>
> Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain not-so-Great and I
> blame the self-enhancement of the lawyers in politics.
>
> Richard
>
> PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I wouldn't have said
> it
> ! :-)
>
>
> ========================
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
Hi Folks,
I appear to have lost the link to the searchable message archive for Forum
messages.
Can someone remind me when it is located?
Thanks, and Merry Christmas,
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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| Subject: | CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
You live in a wet, wind-swept, grey tax-haven where most of the houses are
pebble-dashed. I rest my case! :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
--> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> --> <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>
He's a bloody entrepreneur...!
and it was a humourous way to show just how crazy the world can be if we let
it..
so lets not fall into the trap of giving it any degree of credibility by
even commenting on all the "pc" nonsense that is produced by the worlds
***** (someone give me a suitable word please)?
Please just accept my heartfelt message of seasonal greetings shouted from
the rooftops.
****************MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY *****************
Alan
> He's an accountant, isn't he? :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Holder
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
> --> <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Alan Burrows wrote:
>
>> Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..!
>>
>> Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best
>> wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low
>> stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter
>> solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of
>> the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with
>> total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions
>> of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular
>> traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling
>> and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally
>> accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the
>> calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society
>> have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is
>> necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only
>> "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the
>> race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual
>> orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By
>> accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting
>> is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable
>> with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by
>> the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or
>> others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the
>> sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as
>> expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of
>> one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting,
>> whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this
>> wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.
>
>> Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows
>
> :-)
>
> Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain not-so-Great
> and I blame the self-enhancement of the lawyers in politics.
>
> Richard
>
> PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I wouldn't have
> said it ! :-)
>
>
> ========================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2005-12-21 22:30 -0500 Robert Berube wrote:
>N159HR Europa Tri-Gear owned by John Kershner made its first flight
>yesterday
Congratulations to John, and thanks Bob for the posting of full details.
>A couple of weeks ago I reported the first flight for Richard Parzoch
>Although the aircraft did
>not have any fill work done he did report a take off roll about 500 to 600
>feet and climb rate of 1250 fpm at 70 kts
Do I understand right? The aircraft was flown without any filling,
profiling and painting? So the control surfaces are just raw glass as
laid-up?
If my understanding is correct I find this very surprising. How did
he get it signed off for flight? Not only are the aerodynamics
compromised with macro & micro roughness on the surfaces, but they
are not protected at all from UV damage. Also, if the ailerons have
been balanced for flight in this condition (and for safety they
should have been), they will need re-balancing after filling,
profiling & painting. I hope Richard intends to get the surfaces
finished and UV-protected as soon as possible.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Europa Message Database |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Martin,
It's located at the bottom of the html version of the Europa digest. Or try
this link:
http://www.matronics.com/search
Happy Holidays,
Dan
Kit A144 - Tucson, AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MJKTuck@cs.com
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Message Database
--> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
Hi Folks,
I appear to have lost the link to the searchable message archive for Forum
messages.
Can someone remind me when it is located?
Thanks, and Merry Christmas,
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
Martin, at the end of each message you will see a link to
Vaughn
----- Original Message -----
From: <MJKTuck@cs.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Message Database
> --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I appear to have lost the link to the searchable message archive for Forum
> messages.
>
> Can someone remind me when it is located?
>
> Thanks, and Merry Christmas,
>
> Regards,
> Martin Tuck
> Europa N152MT
> Wichita, Kansas
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I would like to report that today, 23 December 2005, I did my Tailplane Mass Balance
Arm Replacement, Mod #70. I used a video camera to see what my right hand
was doing. I also used a little "duct tape" to hold a 3/8 wrench. The whole
job took just under 3 hours. Worked great.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
Too riney to fly today, and besides, I flew Sunday with the grand kids. Marry
Christmass to all !
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| Subject: | FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
... and taking this thread to another level (but make sure the youngsters
aren't listening): http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.htm
Merry Christmas to all,
Rob Housman
A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: Europa-List: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..!
Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress,
non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious
persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with total respect for
the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, and their
choice not to practise religious or secular traditions at all... and a
fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated
recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006,
but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other
cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Britain great
(not to imply the Britain is necessarily greater than any other country
nor is it the only "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without
regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious
faith, sexual orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee.
By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting
is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable
with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by
the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or
others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole
discretion of the wisher.
This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual
application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the
issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and
warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new
wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.
Merry Christmas to everyone
Alan Burrows
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Ok, Ok, I don't want to open a controverters.
It appears easy to me to refex the flaps on a mono permanently and therefore
decrease the flap down angle by the same amount by moving the pivot point of
the flap back about a small amount. This would be a simple matter but if
one changed the angle by say, 5degrees, would the landing takeoff suffer
enough that one would not benefit by greater cruise?
Duane? Others?
Tom, mono, California.
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| Subject: | Replacement Outrigger Wheels |
--> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
Hi Folks,
I'm looking to replace my outrigger wheels. The forum archive (thanks to
those who told me how to access it) indicates Colson Casters as a good source.
A
visit to the Colson Casters website puts me into 'caster overload'.
Can someone recommend a suitable caster type - together with part number? One
with rubber tires would be best I think.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
I thought it was a "fairy"!
B w,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Why is it that these days we are discouraged from calling it Christmas,
> but
> God forbid we should call Diwali, etc. anything other than Diwali, etc.?
> Sorry, but it does my head in!
>
> Anyway, it's a pagan festival really. Jesus was born in the spring.
>
> (Anyone who wants to do holier-than-thou over my political incorrectness
> is
> respectfully requested to bear in mind how the angel is attached to the
> Christmas tree...)
>
> Cheers,
> JD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vaughn & Gaye
> Teegarden
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden"
> --> <N914VA@starband.net>
>
> Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although
> it
> can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will
> destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal
> achievement, and do away forever with the concept of personal
> responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of liberalism, let us fight
> the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR".
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
> N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings
>
> Cherry, ain't I.
>
>
> --
>
>
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