---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/23/05: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:40 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (G-IANI) 2. 01:55 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (MR!PAUL MITCHELL) 3. 01:58 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Richard Holder) 4. 02:41 AM - Re: Re: skydrive carb heater mod () 5. 03:13 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Richard Holder) 6. 03:26 AM - FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Alan Burrows) 7. 06:27 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com) 8. 06:55 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Jeremy Davey) 9. 07:08 AM - CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Richard Holder) 10. 09:10 AM - Re: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Trevpond@AOL.COM) 11. 09:33 AM - After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas ) (Mike Parkin) 12. 09:49 AM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeremy Davey) 13. 11:26 AM - Re: skydrive carb heater mod (Mike Parkin) 14. 11:26 AM - Glider Ailerons (Jim Butcher) 15. 11:28 AM - Re: After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas ) (R.C.Harrison) 16. 11:59 AM - Re: The Days are Getting Longer (Duncan McFadyean) 17. 12:35 PM - Oil Thermostat mod (Richard Holder) 18. 12:47 PM - CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden) 19. 01:09 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeff B) 20. 01:10 PM - CHRISTMAS GREETINGS & ELT Question (JEFF ROBERTS) 21. 01:26 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeremy Davey) 22. 02:49 PM - Re: Oil Thermostat mod (Mike Parkin) 23. 03:26 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Alan Burrows) 24. 03:31 PM - Europa Message Database (MJKTuck@cs.com) 25. 03:45 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Jeremy Davey) 26. 03:46 PM - Re: First Flight (Rowland Carson) 27. 04:00 PM - Re: Europa Message Database (N914RB) 28. 04:01 PM - Re: Europa Message Database (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden) 29. 04:09 PM - Mod 70 (Cliff Shaw) 30. 05:52 PM - Re: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (Rob Housman) 31. 06:27 PM - Reflexed flaps () 32. 06:56 PM - Replacement Outrigger Wheels (MJKTuck@cs.com) 33. 10:22 PM - Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS (William Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:37 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod approved "All of Type". PFA have approved it at least twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well it gives them something to do). In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod (with improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will be considered over the winter". If you need a copy of the documentation let me know Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:59 AM PST US From: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" Yes please, I fitted mine to the carbs yesterday. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod > --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" > > The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod approved "All of Type". > PFA have approved it at least twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 > (well > it gives them something to do). > > In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod > (with > improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will be > considered > over the winter". > > If you need a copy of the documentation let me know > > > Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear > Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) > e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk > or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:42 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder G-IANI wrote: > The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod > approved "All of Type". PFA have approved it at least > twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well it gives > them something to do). > > In October I put in the application to convert it to a > "Standard" mod (with improved documentation) and > received the reply that this "will be considered over > the winter". Don't they work quickly ! NOT ! Did you make any progress on the water thermostat ? I see that Franz in Germany (Rotax dealers) actually have a water thermostat advertised on their web-site. www.franz-aircraft.de (sorry in German but it is easy to navigate !) (The Mocal oil thermostat is already a PFA approved mod for "All of type" and will be going on in the early New Year). -- Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:33 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: Is there anything to apply for? I'm sure I'll get shot down in flames but the way that I (and my inspector) read the PFA document on the use of 'Approved for all types' (TL3.07) document, the PFA don't need to be involved (though you need to record it in your permit next permit application) You just complete the PFA form SF9 from their website, fit the carb heat kit, get your inspector to sign the form and 'retain the completed form with the aircraft documentation' (as it says on the form). And note the fitting in the engine log book. I included the fitting of the Mod in my very recent permit application together with a copy of the SF9 - permit was back within about 3 days. > > From: "G-IANI" > Date: 2005/12/23 Fri AM 09:38:39 GMT > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" > > The Skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod approved "All of Type". > PFA have approved it at least twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well > it gives them something to do). > > In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod (with > improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will be considered > over the winter". > > If you need a copy of the documentation let me know > > > Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear > Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) > e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk > or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:48 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > Is there anything to apply for? I'm sure I'll get shot > down in flames but the way that I (and my inspector) > read the PFA document on the use of 'Approved for all > types' (TL3.07) document, the PFA don't need to be > involved (though you need to record it in your permit > next permit application) > > You just complete the PFA form SF9 from their website, > fit the carb heat kit, get your inspector to sign the > form and 'retain the completed form with the aircraft > documentation' (as it says on the form). And note the > fitting in the engine log book. > > I included the fitting of the Mod in my very recent > permit application together with a copy of the SF9 - > permit was back within about 3 days. > Ian was trying to get the mod "upgraded" from "approved for all types" to "a standard mod". Both allow the SF9 route as you describe, but the "approved for all types" were authorised earlier so the documentation is not necessarily so good. So the only difference would be that the documentation would be "better" :-) Richard Ps I cringed when I addressed the pressing on of the carb heater (100 each) onto a carb (400 each ?) that I chickened out and sent the whole lot back to SkyDrive to do. The best 20 insurance premium I have ever paid ! So much easier to do when you have done 100 previously - you know how mcuh to file off and how hard you can squeeze (or hit with a hammer !) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:18 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..! Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com 23/12/2005 09:26:15 AM, Serialize complete at 23/12/2005 09:26:15 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Things could always be worse, here in the great white north I'm now in my 4th month waiting for Transport Canada to get their heads around the Skydrive system. So far the only progress I've made is the suggestion that it has moved from being not acceptable to not recommended. At this point in time any response from TC, in either official language, would be welcomed, even if it was just telling me to get lost. Bob's reports on late model kits regularly departing from Zephyrhills makes me feel most envious ( and a bit sheepish over my slow progress). I'm a bit out of touch on my English vernacular, William's " putting up a shelf" means? Christmas greetings to all Dave A061 skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod > approved "All of Type". PFA have approved it at least > twice under the numbers 10424 and 10951 (well it gives > them something to do). > > In October I put in the application to convert it to a > "Standard" mod (with improved documentation) and > received the reply that this "will be considered over > the winter". Don't they work quickly ! NOT ! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:41 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Dave, It's not vernacular - he means fitting a shelf to a wall! :-) Best wishes of the season to all, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Things could always be worse, here in the great white north I'm now in my 4th month waiting for Transport Canada to get their heads around the Skydrive system. So far the only progress I've made is the suggestion that it has moved from being not acceptable to not recommended. At this point in time any response from TC, in either official language, would be welcomed, even if it was just telling me to get lost. Bob's reports on late model kits regularly departing from Zephyrhills makes me feel most envious ( and a bit sheepish over my slow progress). I'm a bit out of touch on my English vernacular, William's " putting up a shelf" means? Christmas greetings to all Dave A061 skydrive Carb Heater kit is a PFA approved mod > approved "All of Type". PFA have approved it at least twice under the > numbers 10424 and 10951 (well it gives them something to do). > > In October I put in the application to convert it to a "Standard" mod > (with improved documentation) and received the reply that this "will > be considered over the winter". Don't they work quickly ! NOT ! ======== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:29 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Alan Burrows wrote: > Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..! > > Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, > my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, > socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender > neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, > practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the > religious persuasion or secular practices of your > choice, with total respect for the religious/secular > persuasions and/or traditions of others, and their > choice not to practise religious or secular traditions > at all... and a fiscally successful, personally > fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of > the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006, > but not without due respect for the calendars of > choice of other cultures whose contributions to society > have helped make Britain great (not to imply the > Britain is necessarily greater than any other country > nor is it the only "BRITAIN" in the northern > hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, > colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual > orientation and choice of computer platform of the > wishee. By accepting this greeting, you are accepting > these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification > or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no > alteration to the original greeting. It implies no > promise by the wishee actually to implement any of the > wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where > prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole > discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to > perform as expected within the usual application of > good tidings for a period of one year, or until the > issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever > comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of > this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole > discretion of the wisher. > Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows :-) Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain not-so-Great and I blame the self-enhancement of the lawyers in politics. Richard PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I wouldn't have said it ! :-) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:29 AM PST US From: Trevpond@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com HI Allan, I think it's called "Fence Sitting"!!! Happy Christmas to you both. Trev P ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:47 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Europa-List: After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas ) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" Mainly for European Europa types - but open to all our brethren across the pond - if you can make it. Now that the PFA in it's infinite wisdom, and lack of consideration for anyone else, have chosen to hold the 2006 Flying For Fun on the same weekend as the traditional Swiss Fly-in. Howsabout a major Europa push to Barkaby instead??? regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:52 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" He's an accountant, isn't he? :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Alan Burrows wrote: > Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..! > > Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best > wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low > stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter > solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of > the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with > total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions > of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular > traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling > and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally > accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the > calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society > have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is > necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only > "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the race, > creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual > orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By > accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting > is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable > with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by > the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or > others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the > sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as > expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of > one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, > whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this > wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. > Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows :-) Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain not-so-Great and I blame the self-enhancement of the lawyers in politics. Richard PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I wouldn't have said it ! :-) ======================== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:05 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: skydrive carb heater mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" > (The Mocal oil thermostat is already a PFA approved mod > for "All of type" and will be going on in the early New Year). > Richard, Do you have details of this approved Mod and the particular model of thermostat approved. I spoke to Francis Donaldson earlier in the year about the introduction of an oil thermostat, he wasn't too encouraging, so I gave up the idea as I have wasted too many heartbeats trying to overcome the PFA Mod Scheme red tape. Perhaps he had a change of heart. regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:28 AM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Glider Ailerons --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" When preparing to install the GA 02 plates, do you cut away the entire top flange of the close out to allow the GA02 to slide in, or do you attempt to cut a slot at the in the flange of the close out and twist GA 02 into place? (I have issue 2 page 7-6 of the manual. Looks like one would cut the flange shown in Fig 13). BTW, this same page refers to removing a large part of the leading edge to provide clearance for the aileron push rod. No where in my manual is the further mention of the installation of the aileron push rod. Can someone refer me to a source of this information? I downloaded the MG manual from the Europa US website. No manual came with my MG kit. Thanks Jim Butcher ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:30 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas ) --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Mike. If the Swiss Rally is the same weekend as the PFA I'm pleased it's a case of "no contest," it will be Switzerland for me but what's that to do with Barkaby and the Swedish event? I still have to tick Hungary and Romania off my list, now if those would fit into the week between Barkaby and the Danish Stauning ......but I also have relatives in Gualivare now (North Sweden)and an invite to a new mid Summer Finish camp fire event( with BBQ Reindeer)...... That still leaves the Swiss trip which would be probably better combined with the Hungary and Romania visit except I will have to coincide a visit to Straubing for a quick MT Propeller overhaul and the beer festival! What say you P2 Ivor? Or will G-IVOR be up and running by then? It really is so difficult to decide on these matters ! Regards And Best wishes to all over the festive season. Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Subject: Europa-List: After the Non-denominational Winter Holiday (aka Christmas ) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" Mainly for European Europa types - but open to all our brethren across the pond - if you can make it. Now that the PFA in it's infinite wisdom, and lack of consideration for anyone else, have chosen to hold the 2006 Flying For Fun on the same weekend as the traditional Swiss Fly-in. Howsabout a major Europa push to Barkaby instead??? regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:15 AM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Days are Getting Longer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I think you'll still get stung for a landing fee at Compton on New Year's day. Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Days are Getting Longer > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > > > A good idea, Rick. > I have never been to Compton Abbas, so I would quite like to go there, but > either venue would be fine. Let's do a wx check and then call a DOTH. > Best wishes, > William > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rmrrick" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Days are Getting Longer > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: rmrrick >> >> william@wrmills.plus.com wrote: >> >>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" >>> >>> >>>Dear All, >>> >>>Everyone must be busy shopping and hanging up the tinsel to earn their >>>Pink Chitties for the New Year. >>> >>>For those in the Northern hemisphere (especially Jos in Lapland) the days >>>are now getting longer, so it is all downhill from now on. >>> >>>I hope to see my local pilots at plenty of DOTHs and perhaps on some of >>>the longer Continental Excursions in 2006. >>> >>>With best wishes to you all for a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and >>>Prosperous New Year, with lots of flying or building as the case may be. >>> >>>William >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I echo that William. Merry Christmas to you and all Europa-Philes. How >> about a visit to one or other of the advertised New Years Day fly ins at >> either Popham or Compton Abbas? >> >> All the Best >> >> Rick >> >> G-RIKS >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:41 PM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: Oil Thermostat mod --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Mike Parkin wrote: > Richard, > > Do you have details of this approved Mod and the > particular model of thermostat approved. > > I spoke to Francis Donaldson earlier in the year about > the introduction of an oil thermostat, he wasn't too > encouraging, so I gave up the idea as I have wasted too > many heartbeats trying to overcome the PFA Mod Scheme > red tape. This is typical of the PFA. The oil thermostat mod was approved "for all aircraft of this type" on 26 Feb 1999. Yes really ! Donaldson gave me all that brush off as well, as did Beale. Not quite true they gave slight pointers but didn't actually mention the PFA/Europa type mod. Beale did tell me about the aircraft he built with the mod (G-MIKI) which he used without ANY mod from the PFA (Just a "by the way I have put this on" note with the original permit application !) It uses a Mocal OT/1 thermostat which has to have its connection pipes bored out to 10 mm. It can be done ! The thermostat is available from Think Auto for about 23 plus VAT but I got mine from Avonbar at Takeley near Stansted for 14.95 plus VAT (less 5% for on-line). I collected it ! Less than 10 miles away. Phone the PFA office and ask the girl there in the Engineering Section for details of mod 10179 and a form SF9. Or just ask for the details. The form is available on the web-site. There are also two lists on the web site TL 3.06 which is some guff and a list of "Standard Mods" TL 3.07 which is some more (similar) guff and a list of mods "approved for all of type". Read, I won't say "enjoy" ! Under the scheme, approved for all of type, you can install, have it inspected by your PFA inspector and then fill in the form SF9 and sent it to the PFA. No money, no nothing ! No red tape there once you have cut through the cr*p and got the information in the first instance. I would recommend that EVERYBODY list off TL 3.06 and TL 3.07. At least 1/3 of each list is for Europas. The remainder is for another 15 or so PFA types ! Europas are prodigious here - and there are more of them ! To be fair to the PFA the information is now available on the web-site and it can easily be acessed. Donaldson couldn't be expected to remember all of them, although he could perhaps have looked it up ! All we need now is a similar approved mod for a water thermostat (it is available from Franz in Germany) and Europas will run at 80 - 85 indicated water and oil in all conditions. A ramp can be built in the lower cowling to redirect all the air through the coolers and the thermostats will control the amount of fluids going through the coolers and thus the amount of cooling applied. Note I say "indicated' as the temp sensor for the oil is AFTER the cooler and the actual temperature in the oil tank will be more. But of course you need the oil to reach 100 degrees for a bit sometimes to boil off any water. Job done :-) HTH Richard G-WWW - Europa Tri-Gear - Kit 51 - High Cross ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:21 PM PST US From: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although it can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal achievement, and do away forever with the concept of personal responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of liberalism, let us fight the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR". Vaughn Teegarden N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings Cherry, ain't I. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:50 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B You hit it on the head, Vaughn. It's liberalism at its best (or worst) and it's a disease that will fell this great society, if not kept in check... Jeff - N55XS 119 Hours and flying to the sandy beaches of S. Texas, the day after Christmas. MERRY CHRISTMAS, all... Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" > > Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although it can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal achievement, and do away forever with the concept of personal responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of liberalism, let us fight the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR". > > Vaughn Teegarden > N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings > > Cherry, ain't I. > > > > > > > > -- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:27 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS & ELT Question --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Hi Vaughn, I second that as our local news here in Nashville calls our beautiful lighted downtown tree... The Holiday Tree. Merry Christ-mas to all of you as well. Jeff R A258 Oh and by the way is it OK to mount an ELT upside down as long as it's headed in the right direction? Couldn't find anything in the installation manual that says not to, but I thought I'd ask people smarter in these ways than me. I would like to mount it under the rear starboard baggage area access panel. Thanks, Jeff A258 On Dec 23, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" > > > Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, > although it can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a > movement that will destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate > the goal of personal achievement, and do away forever with the concept > of personal responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of > liberalism, let us fight the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY > NEW YEAR". > > Vaughn Teegarden > N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings > > Cherry, ain't I. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:25 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Why is it that these days we are discouraged from calling it Christmas, but God forbid we should call Diwali, etc. anything other than Diwali, etc.? Sorry, but it does my head in! Anyway, it's a pagan festival really. Jesus was born in the spring. (Anyone who wants to do holier-than-thou over my political incorrectness is respectfully requested to bear in mind how the angel is attached to the Christmas tree...) Cheers, JD -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" --> Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although it can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal achievement, and do away forever with the concept of personal responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of liberalism, let us fight the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR". Vaughn Teegarden N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings Cherry, ain't I. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:33 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil Thermostat mod --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" > This is typical of the PFA. The oil thermostat mod was > approved "for all aircraft of this type" on 26 Feb 1999. > Yes really ! Donaldson gave me all that brush off as well, > as did Beale. Not quite true they gave slight pointers but > didn't actually mention the PFA/Europa type mod. Beale did > tell me about the aircraft he built with the mod (G-MIKI) > which he used without ANY mod from the PFA (Just a "by the > way I have put this on" note with the original permit > application !) > Richard, Thanks for all that. A fresh task when the weather picks up a little. Incidentally, what I didn't mention was that I also spoke to Nigel Beale, who was no help at all. I really despair with some of these people. many thanks, Mike Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:56 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS From: "Alan Burrows" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > He's a bloody entrepreneur...! and it was a humourous way to show just how crazy the world can be if we let it.. so lets not fall into the trap of giving it any degree of credibility by even commenting on all the "pc" nonsense that is produced by the worlds ***** (someone give me a suitable word please)? Please just accept my heartfelt message of seasonal greetings shouted from the rooftops. ****************MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY ***************** Alan > He's an accountant, isn't he? :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Holder > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > > Alan Burrows wrote: > >> Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..! >> >> Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best >> wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low >> stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter >> solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of >> the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with >> total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions >> of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular >> traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling >> and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally >> accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the >> calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society >> have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is >> necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only >> "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the race, >> creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual >> orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By >> accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting >> is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable >> with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by >> the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or >> others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the >> sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as >> expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of >> one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, >> whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this >> wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. > >> Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows > > :-) > > Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain not-so-Great and I > blame the self-enhancement of the lawyers in politics. > > Richard > > PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I wouldn't have said > it > ! :-) > > > ======================== > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:13 PM PST US From: MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Europa Message Database --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, I appear to have lost the link to the searchable message archive for Forum messages. Can someone remind me when it is located? Thanks, and Merry Christmas, Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:51 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" You live in a wet, wind-swept, grey tax-haven where most of the houses are pebble-dashed. I rest my case! :-) Cheers, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" --> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > --> > He's a bloody entrepreneur...! and it was a humourous way to show just how crazy the world can be if we let it.. so lets not fall into the trap of giving it any degree of credibility by even commenting on all the "pc" nonsense that is produced by the worlds ***** (someone give me a suitable word please)? Please just accept my heartfelt message of seasonal greetings shouted from the rooftops. ****************MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY ***************** Alan > He's an accountant, isn't he? :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Holder > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > --> > > Alan Burrows wrote: > >> Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..! >> >> Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best >> wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low >> stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter >> solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of >> the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with >> total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions >> of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular >> traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling >> and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally >> accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the >> calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society >> have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is >> necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only >> "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the >> race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual >> orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By >> accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting >> is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable >> with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by >> the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or >> others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the >> sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as >> expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of >> one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, >> whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this >> wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. > >> Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows > > :-) > > Are you a lawyer ? :-) This stuff is what made Britain not-so-Great > and I blame the self-enhancement of the lawyers in politics. > > Richard > > PS - Alan - I KNOW you are not a lawyer - otherwise I wouldn't have > said it ! :-) > > > ======================== > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:20 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2005-12-21 22:30 -0500 Robert Berube wrote: >N159HR Europa Tri-Gear owned by John Kershner made its first flight >yesterday Congratulations to John, and thanks Bob for the posting of full details. >A couple of weeks ago I reported the first flight for Richard Parzoch >Although the aircraft did >not have any fill work done he did report a take off roll about 500 to 600 >feet and climb rate of 1250 fpm at 70 kts Do I understand right? The aircraft was flown without any filling, profiling and painting? So the control surfaces are just raw glass as laid-up? If my understanding is correct I find this very surprising. How did he get it signed off for flight? Not only are the aerodynamics compromised with macro & micro roughness on the surfaces, but they are not protected at all from UV damage. Also, if the ailerons have been balanced for flight in this condition (and for safety they should have been), they will need re-balancing after filling, profiling & painting. I hope Richard intends to get the surfaces finished and UV-protected as soon as possible. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson PFA #16532 | 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:22 PM PST US From: "N914RB" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Message Database --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" Martin, It's located at the bottom of the html version of the Europa digest. Or try this link: http://www.matronics.com/search Happy Holidays, Dan Kit A144 - Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Europa Message Database --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, I appear to have lost the link to the searchable message archive for Forum messages. Can someone remind me when it is located? Thanks, and Merry Christmas, Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:49 PM PST US From: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Message Database --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" Martin, at the end of each message you will see a link to Vaughn ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Europa-List: Europa Message Database > --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com > > Hi Folks, > > I appear to have lost the link to the searchable message archive for Forum > messages. > > Can someone remind me when it is located? > > Thanks, and Merry Christmas, > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > Europa N152MT > Wichita, Kansas > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:17 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" All I would like to report that today, 23 December 2005, I did my Tailplane Mass Balance Arm Replacement, Mod #70. I used a video camera to see what my right hand was doing. I also used a little "duct tape" to hold a 3/8 wrench. The whole job took just under 3 hours. Worked great. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE Too riney to fly today, and besides, I flew Sunday with the grand kids. Marry Christmass to all ! ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:46 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" ... and taking this thread to another level (but make sure the youngsters aren't listening): http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.htm Merry Christmas to all, Rob Housman A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: Europa-List: FW: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Gosh isn't the modern world wonderful..! Please accept with no obligation, implicit or explicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with total respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, and their choice not to practise religious or secular traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Britain great (not to imply the Britain is necessarily greater than any other country nor is it the only "BRITAIN" in the northern hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual orientation and choice of computer platform of the wishee. By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wishee actually to implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. Merry Christmas to everyone Alan Burrows ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:21 PM PST US From: Subject: Europa-List: Reflexed flaps --> Europa-List message posted by: Ok, Ok, I don't want to open a controverters. It appears easy to me to refex the flaps on a mono permanently and therefore decrease the flap down angle by the same amount by moving the pivot point of the flap back about a small amount. This would be a simple matter but if one changed the angle by say, 5degrees, would the landing takeoff suffer enough that one would not benefit by greater cruise? Duane? Others? Tom, mono, California. -- ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:02 PM PST US From: MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Replacement Outrigger Wheels --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, I'm looking to replace my outrigger wheels. The forum archive (thanks to those who told me how to access it) indicates Colson Casters as a good source. A visit to the Colson Casters website puts me into 'caster overload'. Can someone recommend a suitable caster type - together with part number? One with rubber tires would be best I think. Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:25 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" I thought it was a "fairy"! B w, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > Why is it that these days we are discouraged from calling it Christmas, > but > God forbid we should call Diwali, etc. anything other than Diwali, etc.? > Sorry, but it does my head in! > > Anyway, it's a pagan festival really. Jesus was born in the spring. > > (Anyone who wants to do holier-than-thou over my political incorrectness > is > respectfully requested to bear in mind how the angel is attached to the > Christmas tree...) > > Cheers, > JD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vaughn & Gaye > Teegarden > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" > --> > > Actually, that whole message is called POLITICALLY CORRECT and, although > it > can be viewed as a humorous piece, it represents the a movement that will > destroy the concept of the individual, eliminate the goal of personal > achievement, and do away forever with the concept of personal > responsibility. As we plummet into this morass of liberalism, let us fight > the tide by saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR". > > Vaughn Teegarden > N914VA, XS Mono, Wiring away in anticipation closing the top and wings > > Cherry, ain't I. > > > -- > >