Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:51 AM - Re: Fuselage profile (Jim Brown)
2. 06:12 AM - Tool Definitions (Robert Borger)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: Fuselage profile (Steve Hagar)
4. 09:47 AM - DOTH Compton Abbas (rmrrick)
5. 02:48 PM - 914 drivers only please... (Fergus Kyle)
6. 04:04 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Steve Hagar)
7. 04:26 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
8. 04:41 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
9. 04:44 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (R.C.Harrison)
10. 05:27 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Cliff Shaw)
11. 05:30 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Paul Boulet)
12. 05:39 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Cliff Shaw)
13. 05:40 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (BEBERRY@aol.com)
14. 08:06 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Fred Fillinger)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage profile |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Steve
I hope you are not turning the prop "backward".
Rotax has a service bulletin concerning this. By turning backward, all the oil
is purged from the oil lines back to the tank. On engine start up, the engine
is without oil, until the oil lines refill
Jim Brown
Steve Hagar wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> Craig:
>
> I had first started up my 914 awhile ago and had the same issue with the
> oil. Servicing was to the proper level. It has been started seveal times
> in the driveway now and the excess oil was only observed during the first
> two startups. Note however that I have been checking oil level on
> successive startups by rotating the prop until the oil is returned fully
> to the tank ( about 12 prop turns). That may have something to do with the
> lack of oil blowing out.
>
> Steve Hagar
> A 143
> Mesa, AZ
>
> Steve Hagar
> hagargs@earthlink.net
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Craig Ellison <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 12/29/2005 6:29:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuselage profile
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > Seasons greetings all,
> >
> > I too would be interested in profile views in order to plan paint . I
> also
> > have a couple of question for Rotax 914 builders. I started mine up for
> the
> > 2nd time today this time with the cowling on. I was unable to get the
> oil
> > temp up in the green before the CHT went into the yellow and had to shut
> > down. Aprox time .25hr/OAT 45F. Also when done there was oil from the
> > exhaust down the port side of the aircraft. Mostly small black spray
> spots.
> > Is this normal?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Craig Ellison
> > A205
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
> > To: "Europa List" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Fuselage profile
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
> > > <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
> > >
> > > Seasons Greetings to all!
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a profile (side view) drawing of the Europa in
> Powerpoint
> > > format or other standard Microsoft Office format, which may be suitable
> > > for making some sketches of decoration stripes, placing of registration
> > > letters etc.?
> > >
> > > In case, please e-mail to sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wishing all a peaceful, Happy New Year!
> > >
> > > Svein
> > > A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway
> > >
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| Subject: | Tool Definitions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
We occasionally need to lighten up a bit.
Do not archive!
Just chuckle a bit because we've all been there...
> Tool Definitions
>
>
> DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching
>
> flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the
>
> chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against
>
> that freshly painted part you were drying.
>
>
> WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere
> under
>
> the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint
> whorls and
>
> hard-earned guitar calluses in about the time it takes you to
> say, "Ouch...."
>
>
> ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their
>
> holes until you die of old age.
>
>
> PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads.
>
>
> HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board
>
> principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable
>
> motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more
>
> dismal your future becomes.
>
>
> VISE-GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is
>
> available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to
>
> the palm of your hand.
>
>
> OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various
>
> flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the
>
> grease inside the wheel hub you want the bearing race out of.
>
>
> WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and
>
> motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or
>
> 1/2 socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes.
>
>
> HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground
>
> After you have installed your new disk brake pads, trapping the jack
>
> handle firmly under the bumper.
>
>
> EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering an automobile
>
> upward off a hydraulic jack handle.
>
>
> TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters.
>
>
> PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbors to see if he has another
>
> Hydraulic floor jack.
>
>
> SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for
>
> spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog **** off your
> boot.
>
>
> E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any
>
> known drill bit that snaps off in bolt holes you couldn't use
> anyway.
>
>
> TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the tensile strength on
>
> everything you forgot to disconnect.
>
>
> CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-I NCH SCREWDRIVER: A large prybar that
>
> Inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end
>
> opposite the handle.
>
>
> AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw.
>
>
> TROUBLE LIGHT: The home mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes
>
> called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the
> sunshine vitamin,"
>
> which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits
>
> aside, it's main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about
>
> the same rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say,
>
> the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark
> than light,
>
> its name is somewhat misleading.
>
>
> PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style
>
> paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; but can also be
>
> used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads.
>
>
> AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a
>
> coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into
>
> compressed air that travels by hose to a Chicago Pneumatic impact
>
> wrench that grips rusty bolts last overtightened 58 years ago by
>
> someone at ERCO, and neatly rounds off their heads.>
>
>
> PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or
>
> Bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50=A2 part.
>
>
> HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut hoses too short.
>
>
> HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays
>
> is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts
>
> not far from the object we are trying to hit.
>
>
> MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of
>
> Cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works
> particularly well on
>
> Contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic
> bottles, collector
>
> magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts.
>
>
> DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the
>
> garage while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also
>
> the next tool that you will need.
>
>
> EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight, which
>
> somehow eases those pains and indignities following our every
>
> deficiency in foresight.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in with Singleton
Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing
incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done, baggage bay
in. Completing the firewall-aft fuel system and fitting the
instrument panel. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical,
28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35
Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from
Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation. Singleton
firewall mod on order.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage profile |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Why would I turn the prop backwards?
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/31/2005 6:50:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuselage profile
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Steve
>
> I hope you are not turning the prop "backward".
>
> Rotax has a service bulletin concerning this. By turning backward, all
the oil
> is purged from the oil lines back to the tank. On engine start up, the
engine
> is without oil, until the oil lines refill
>
> Jim Brown
>
> Steve Hagar wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Craig:
> >
> > I had first started up my 914 awhile ago and had the same issue with
the
> > oil. Servicing was to the proper level. It has been started seveal
times
> > in the driveway now and the excess oil was only observed during the
first
> > two startups. Note however that I have been checking oil level on
> > successive startups by rotating the prop until the oil is returned
fully
> > to the tank ( about 12 prop turns). That may have something to do with
the
> > lack of oil blowing out.
> >
> > Steve Hagar
> > A 143
> > Mesa, AZ
> >
> > Steve Hagar
> > hagargs@earthlink.net
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Craig Ellison <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 12/29/2005 6:29:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuselage profile
> > >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
> > <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > Seasons greetings all,
> > >
> > > I too would be interested in profile views in order to plan paint . I
> > also
> > > have a couple of question for Rotax 914 builders. I started mine up
for
> > the
> > > 2nd time today this time with the cowling on. I was unable to get the
> > oil
> > > temp up in the green before the CHT went into the yellow and had to
shut
> > > down. Aprox time .25hr/OAT 45F. Also when done there was oil from the
> > > exhaust down the port side of the aircraft. Mostly small black spray
> > spots.
> > > Is this normal?
> > >
> > > Thanks much,
> > >
> > > Craig Ellison
> > > A205
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
> > > To: "Europa List" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Fuselage profile
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
> > > > <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
> > > >
> > > > Seasons Greetings to all!
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a profile (side view) drawing of the Europa in
> > Powerpoint
> > > > format or other standard Microsoft Office format, which may be
suitable
> > > > for making some sketches of decoration stripes, placing of
registration
> > > > letters etc.?
> > > >
> > > > In case, please e-mail to sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wishing all a peaceful, Happy New Year!
> > > >
> > > > Svein
> > > > A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | DOTH Compton Abbas |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rmrrick <rmrrick@aol.com>
Hi All and a Happy New Year
William and I will be at Compton Abbas at 12:30 ish to-morrow. The
weather looks to be OK with a westerly wind predicted and the runway
8-26. We hope to see as many of you as possible.
Best Wishes
Rick Morris
G-RIKS
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| Subject: | 914 drivers only please... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Now, lookit, a quick review:
Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing
gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2)
and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would slide
together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the rotax
to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the firewall
together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1)
for fitting purposes.
While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear and
tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw together,
I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven
can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress
the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding the
the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?
By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic incantations)
can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated and paid others
- or have you some creative ways to compress these @#$%? pieces while singlehandedly
screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin it for keeps? - Yes I
am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they don't even begin to show through
at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to bloat the minute you take your
eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten fingers to hold the assemblies together,
several various cups go tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about
twenty feet.
I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt
so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from success
with every try.
Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving to the
Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of affairs
is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.
It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance.
There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is conquered
so don't hesitate another minute.
Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
Ferg
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| Subject: | 914 drivers only please... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Fergus:
It has been awhile since I bolted up the 914 but as I recollect I needed to
go to Spruce and order longer bolts and some spacers. Other than that the
mess more of less went together as the installation manual noted. I may
have needed to make a special wrench to hold the bolt head of the odd bolt
while tightening.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> To: EUROPALIST <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/31/2005 3:47:13 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Now, lookit, a quick review:
> Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the
"landing gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine
mounting frame"(2) and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
> As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures
would slide together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to
attach the rotax to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying
to wrestle the firewall together and must have the intermediate(2) on and
off the gear frame(1) for fitting purposes.
> While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save
wear and tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this
jigsaw together, I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft.
How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall,
attempt to compress the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in
front - while holding the the whole shebang together without dropping odd
bits onto the floor in the process?
> By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic
incantations) can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated
and paid others - or have you some creative ways to compress these @#$%?
pieces while singlehandedly screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin
it for keeps? - Yes I am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they
don't even begin to show through at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to
bloat the minute you take your eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten
fingers to hold the assemblies together, several various cups go
tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about twenty feet.
> I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed
attempt so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther
from success with every try.
> Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering
moving to the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This
state of affairs is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.
> It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my
assistance. There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this
phase is conquered so don't hesitate another minute.
> Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
> Ferg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 drivers only please... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
Hi Ferg,
In Europa Aircraft News no. 28 page 13 there is a tech note, have you
got that paper?
I had to use AN5-41 bolts as my kit came with 46mm spacers.
Kevin
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>Now, lookit, a quick review:
> Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing
gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2)
and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
> As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would slide
together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the rotax
to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the firewall
together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1)
for fitting purposes.
> While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear and
tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw together,
I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven
can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress
the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding the
the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?
> By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic incantations)
can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated and paid others
- or have you some creative ways to compress these @#$%? pieces while singlehandedly
screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin it for keeps? - Yes
I am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they don't even begin to show through
at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to bloat the minute you take your
eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten fingers to hold the assemblies together,
several various cups go tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about
twenty feet.
> I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt
so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from success
with every try.
>Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving to
the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of affairs
is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.
> It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance.
There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is conquered
so don't hesitate another minute.
> Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
>Ferg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 drivers only please... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann@verizon.net>
Oh, and Ferg,
the next issue of the E.A. news printed the correction for the spacer
length. It is 46mm (1.8")
Kevin...Happy New Year
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>Now, lookit, a quick review:
> Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing
gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2)
and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
> As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would slide
together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the rotax
to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the firewall
together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1)
for fitting purposes.
> While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear and
tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw together,
I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven
can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress
the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding the
the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?
> By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic incantations)
can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated and paid others
- or have you some creative ways to compress these @#$%? pieces while singlehandedly
screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin it for keeps? - Yes
I am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they don't even begin to show through
at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to bloat the minute you take your
eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten fingers to hold the assemblies together,
several various cups go tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about
twenty feet.
> I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt
so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from success
with every try.
>Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving to
the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of affairs
is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.
> It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance.
There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is conquered
so don't hesitate another minute.
> Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
>Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Ferg
Happy New year!
I'm not a Rotax Buff so don't take any notice of me especially so early
in the new year but also because I'm only a Jabiru Man.!
Sounds to me like you need a compression clamp!
Simple Eh !
Bob H G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Now, lookit, a quick review:
Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the
"landing gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine
mounting frame"(2) and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures
would slide together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to
attach the rotax to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy
trying to wrestle the firewall together and must have the
intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1) for fitting purposes.
While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save
wear and tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling
this jigsaw together, I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top
ones aft. How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from behind the
firewall, attempt to compress the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the
requisite nuts in front - while holding the the whole shebang together
without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?
By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic
incantations) can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people
cheated and paid others - or have you some creative ways to compress
these @#$%? pieces while singlehandedly screwing on a castellated nut
far enough to pin it for keeps? - Yes I am using specified A5-40
(43/32") bolts and they don't even begin to show through at the other
end. The Lord mounts seem to bloat the minute you take your eyes off
them, and if you don't use all ten fingers to hold the assemblies
together, several various cups go tingly-dingling under the mainwheel
area for about twenty feet.
I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every
failed attempt so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and
getting farther from success with every try.
Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering
moving to the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed.
This state of affairs is becoming crucial and there's not much time
left.
It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my
assistance. There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this
phase is conquered so don't hesitate another minute.
Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
Ferg
Message 10
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ferg
You and yours would be welcome on the "left" side if that is your wishes.
The bolts are too short for the shock mounts. Get four AN4-41 bolts and things
will go much better. Don't make too much of a deal of it now because you will
be in there later adjusting the engine off-set (maybe, I had too) ( don't set
those cotter keys too hard if you want to make it easier later on)
As for the one bolt that goes in backwards, Do it as the book says or you will
never get it together. The wrench will never fit the other way around. (I know)
Now, I and the wife are off to the kids place of a little Happy New Year. "Have
a good one everyone !!! "
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Fergus Kyle
To: EUROPALIST
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Now, lookit, a quick review:
Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing
gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2)
and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would slide
together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the rotax
to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the
firewall together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1)
for fitting purposes.
While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear
and tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw
together, I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven
can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress
the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding the
the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the
process?
I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt
so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from
success with every try.
Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving to
the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of affairs
is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.
It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance.
There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is conquered
so don't hesitate another minute.
Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Ferg I gotta tell you I'm splitting my sides laughing at your poetic prose. Have
you ever considered becoming a writer?
Easy for me to laugh- I paid Phoenix Composites to put the whole she-bang together.
Very best wishes for a fabulous 2006
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Raining (what's that?) in Malibu, CA. Converting monowheel
to tri gear
do not archive
----- Original Message ----
From: Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Now, lookit, a quick review:
Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing
gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2)
and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would slide
together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the rotax
to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the firewall
together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1)
for fitting purposes.
While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear and
tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw together,
I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven
can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress
the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding the
the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?
By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic incantations)
can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated and paid others
- or have you some creative ways to compress these @#$%? pieces while singlehandedly
screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin it for keeps? - Yes I
am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they don't even begin to show through
at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to bloat the minute you take your
eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten fingers to hold the assemblies together,
several various cups go tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about
twenty feet.
I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt
so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from success
with every try.
Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving to the
Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of affairs
is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.
It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance.
There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is conquered
so don't hesitate another minute.
Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Goofed --- Sorry AN5-41 Bolts
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Shaw
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ferg
You and yours would be welcome on the "left" side if that is your wishes.
The bolts are too short for the shock mounts. Get four AN4-41 bolts and things
will go much better. Don't make too much of a deal of it now because you will
be in there later adjusting the engine off-set (maybe, I had too) ( don't set
those cotter keys too hard if you want to make it easier later on)
As for the one bolt that goes in backwards, Do it as the book says or you will
never get it together. The wrench will never fit the other way around. (I know)
Now, I and the wife are off to the kids place of a little Happy New Year. "Have
a good one everyone !!! "
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Fergus Kyle
To: EUROPALIST
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Now, lookit, a quick review:
Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing
gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2)
and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).
As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would
slide together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the
rotax to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the
firewall together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1)
for fitting purposes.
While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear
and tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw
together, I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven
can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress
the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding
the the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the
process?
I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt
so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from
success with every try.
Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving
to the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of
affairs is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.
It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance.
There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is
conquered so don't hesitate another minute.
Oh, and best of 2006 to you......
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
The idiot manual says to countersink the bolts as they are not long enough
!!!!!!!!!
Why not just put in longer bolts???
Patrick
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Fergus Kyle wrote:
> How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from
> behind the firewall, attempt to compress the 'Lord
> mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front -
> while holding the whole shebang together without
> dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?
Ferg, just why y'all tryin' to use the proper length AN bolts as a
freakin' installation tool? ;-) Just go to the hardware store and buy
a long length of 5/16" threaded rod, and 5/16 nuts. Cut said rod into
pieces longer than the AN bolts. Affix engine and snug the nuts,
compressing the rubber bushings. Thence, one-by-one, remove your
threaded rod thingies and sub an AN bolt.
Might this work for you too?
In any event, Happy New Year!
Reg,
Fred F.
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