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1. 01:17 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (BEBERRY@aol.com)
2. 04:16 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Jeremy Davey)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Trevpond@aol.com)
4. 06:56 AM - Electronic Tagging (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
5. 08:48 AM - 914 drivers only please! (Fergus Kyle)
6. 08:48 AM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Fergus Kyle)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: 914 drivers only please! (BEBERRY@aol.com)
8. 11:52 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
9. 12:35 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please! (Kingsley Hurst)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please! (BEBERRY@aol.com)
11. 01:10 PM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (R.C.Harrison)
12. 01:16 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please! (R.C.Harrison)
13. 02:25 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please! (Jim Brown)
14. 04:53 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please! (SPurpura@aol.com)
15. 05:23 PM - Re: 914 drivers only please! ()
16. 05:53 PM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Jeremy Davey)
17. 06:47 PM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Jeremy Davey)
18. 06:47 PM - EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Fred Klein)
19. 08:20 PM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Fergus Kyle)
20. 08:59 PM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
According to various press comments on Galileo there is a threat that we
shall have to pay for it's use, unlike GPS. Some questions arise..
1) presumably the US government will continue to provide GPS coverage and we
can still use that.
2) How do they know we are using the Galilieo system? As far as the
aeroplane/car etc is concerned it is a passive system and does not give off any
signal
3) If we are charged for having the aircraft/car etc fitted with a receiver
- what is to prevent us using a handheld or mobile unit?
All in all I think that much of what has been said is just plain scare
stories but nevertheless I am incensed that we shall all, in Europe, be forking
out yet more in our taxes to provide a system which has no advantages over the
present GPS but merely duplicates what we already have courtsey of the US of
A at no charge. Anyway, given the usual progress of government funded schemes
the best bet is that it will come in at treble the estimated price and take
twice as long to get operational.
Patrick
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| Subject: | FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
My guess with Galileo is that providers of hardware will have to pay a fee
per device to the signal provider. Quite how that is to be done is not known
to me - but something similar to what BSkyB do would seem sensible.
It does have two key advantages over both GPS and the Russian system:
1) It is much more accurate (cm level)
2) It can't be turned off by the US government (unless they shoot down the
satellites, of course :-)). This means it can be used for safety-critical
uses like aircraft landing systems and automated train operation.
Personally, I'm not too hung up on what it'll be used for. There are a host
of options:
1) Tracking known terrorists and criminals through the chips in their mobile
phones
2) Systems that detect and fine middle-lane-hogs
3) Systems that detect and fine mothers who park on the double-yellow-lines
on blind corners outside schools
4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
5) Road-pricing systems that mean taxation is transferred from fuel duties
into road-use fees - meaning that those who a) try to avoid times of
congestion on the roads, b) live in the country and have no alternative, or
c) fly aeroplanes that run on mogas are rewarded
All in all, I agree with Patrick - most of what has been written or said is
just scare stories. My objections to the system will come when I find the
government is concentrating on me, the law-abiding citizen, instead of the
criminals. That is an altogether different matter, and one that is already a
problem.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
lack of workshop
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BEBERRY@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
According to various press comments on Galileo there is a threat that we
shall have to pay for it's use, unlike GPS. Some questions arise..
1) presumably the US government will continue to provide GPS coverage and
we can still use that.
2) How do they know we are using the Galilieo system? As far as the
aeroplane/car etc is concerned it is a passive system and does not give off
any signal
3) If we are charged for having the aircraft/car etc fitted with a receiver
- what is to prevent us using a handheld or mobile unit?
All in all I think that much of what has been said is just plain scare
stories but nevertheless I am incensed that we shall all, in Europe, be
forking out yet more in our taxes to provide a system which has no
advantages over the present GPS but merely duplicates what we already have
courtsey of the US of A at no charge. Anyway, given the usual progress of
government funded schemes the best bet is that it will come in at treble
the estimated price and take twice as long to get operational.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Do you suppose they are going to use the money they clawed back from our Mr
Blair, i.e. our rebate to pay for this as well as propping up the rest of the
European Economies?
Trev Pond
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| Subject: | Electronic Tagging |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
There is no method of RF "tagging", whether it be GPS or otherwise, that
cannot be rendered wholly insignificant by the proper placement of aluminum
foil.....Just sayin'.....
Happy New Year!
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (Cowls mounted, intakes and landing lights installed, getting ever
closer to the big day.....)
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| Subject: | 914 drivers only please! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Intermediate frame mounting -
To Steve, Kevin, Bob, Cliff, Paul, Patrick, Fred and others:
Many thanks for such a lrage and quick reply to my plea. One or
two misinterpreted the problem but in most cases the solution varied
between longer bolts or replacement after compression. I worried that a
longer bolt would soon be an inappropriate length after compression - grip
and all that. Fred came up with the "'why didn't I think of that" solution -
threaded 5/16 cut to size until compression allowed 5A-40 replacement. Lord
knows I used it elsewhere but ennui and frustration claimed the day.
I will explore that avenue, while I fuss over the next plateau -
the placing of the oil tank makes it impossible to site the filter
compartment below it. All the photos show the tank at the top of its
possible height, yet the filter compartment metal is still too high to house
the tank drain - and probably other facilities.
It's just one did-it-wrong after another............
May 2006 be a better backdrop......
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: 914 drivers only please... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin And Ann Klinefelter" <kevann@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter
<kevann@verizon.net>
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| Oh, and Ferg,
|
| the next issue of the E.A. news printed the correction for the spacer
| length. It is 46mm (1.8")
|
| Kevin...Happy New Year
Kevin,
Thank you. I had read and marked the Tech Note #28 and #29 as
applicable and neglected to review the series when I finally got to the area
of note. I have the 46mm spacers - as do you - and note that I should use
the A5-41 bolts as other replies said. I'm just so far behind I'm losing
contact with the pertinent sections.
I've sought out the requisite bolts and am now trying to
rationalise the air filter compartment which appears to clash with the oil
tank. Ah me, back to reviewing the Tech Notes!
Best for 2006, and thanks again.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: 914 drivers only please! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Hope you have all your problems sorted now Ferg. There will be more!!
My particular one is vibration. Horrid airframe vibration between 2000 and
3700 rpm with my 914. Fuel drained and refilled, filters cleaned, carbs
cleaned and jets., carbs balanced with proper kit, set of new plugs fitted,
engine mounts checked. New Arplast prop back in France for re-balancing. All
plugs show equally nice and grey. I have run out of ideas. Has anyone
experienced similar problems and can suggest any other areas of search please
?
Had no problems with the old Warpdrive (now defunct).
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
In a message dated 1/2/2006 4:17:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
europaflyer_3@msn.com writes:
1) Tracking known terrorists and criminals through the chips in their mobile
phones
But then there are the "other" entities that use this same technology to
watch normal people.
2) Systems that detect and fine middle-lane-hogs
That's why we still have guns!
3) Systems that detect and fine mothers who park on the double-yellow-lines
on blind corners outside schools
That's what we use rental cars with full insurance for.
4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
HUH? In English please.
5) Road-pricing systems that mean taxation is transferred from fuel duties
into road-use fees - meaning that those who a) try to avoid times of
congestion on the roads, b) live in the country and have no alternative, or
c) fly aeroplanes that run on mogas are rewarded
Bet you they don't remove the fuel taxes!
All in all, I agree with Patrick - most of what has been written or said is
just scare stories. My objections to the system will come when I find the
government is concentrating on me, the law-abiding citizen, instead of the
criminals. That is an altogether different matter, and one that is already a
problem.
By that time, it's too late. If the technology is there, it WILL be used,
whether you know it or not. Like a very wise person once said....."When you give
up freedom for safety, you will wind up with neither".
Mike Duane
Redding, California
Older cell phone, two guns, and no car tracking system.
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| Subject: | 914 drivers only please! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> My particular one is vibration. Horrid airframe vibration between
2000 and
3700 rpm with my 914
Patrick,
Have you tried getting your propeller dynamically balanced whilst on the
aircraft ?
Also, have you checked your spinner for run-out? Have you tried it
without the spinner ?
Has the aircraft ever had a prop strike ?
Cheers
Kingsley
Happy New Year to all.
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| Subject: | Re: 914 drivers only please! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
In a message dated 02/01/2006 20:36:47 GMT Standard Time,
hurstkr@growzone.com.au writes:
Have you tried getting your propeller dynamically balanced whilst on the
aircraft ?
Also, have you checked your spinner for run-out? Have you tried it
without the spinner ?
Has the aircraft ever had a prop strike ?
1) No because I found that two blades were transposed from correct positions
and consequently balance weighting was in incorrect places. Subsequently -
after initial vibration one blade had become twisted to a different angle -
no-one knows how but this had no effect on the degree of vibration..
2) tried running with and without spinner - no difference.
3) No prop strikes.
Thanks for the interest.
Patrick
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| Subject: | FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Well said Mike.
I'm much similar but with 3 x 12 bores and a .22 rifle.
"Fly tipping" is rogue tipping of waste mostly in rural areas to escape
waste disposal taxes invariably originated by the Urban Authorities who
don't give a shit for us that are proud of the countryside, they prefer
to feed the foxes too!
I know there are people claiming "scaremongering" but "fast forward"
about 10 years and I'll say I told you so!
10 years ago it would have been a complete "No No" to say we'd be
watched by CCTV wherever we are. Vehicle monitoring cameras are in
operation now and most city centres have cameras installed.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
In a message dated 1/2/2006 4:17:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
europaflyer_3@msn.com writes:
1) Tracking known terrorists and criminals through the chips in their
mobile
phones
But then there are the "other" entities that use this same technology to
watch normal people.
2) Systems that detect and fine middle-lane-hogs
That's why we still have guns!
3) Systems that detect and fine mothers who park on the
double-yellow-lines
on blind corners outside schools
That's what we use rental cars with full insurance for.
4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
HUH? In English please.
5) Road-pricing systems that mean taxation is transferred from fuel
duties
into road-use fees - meaning that those who a) try to avoid times of
congestion on the roads, b) live in the country and have no alternative,
or
c) fly aeroplanes that run on mogas are rewarded
Bet you they don't remove the fuel taxes!
All in all, I agree with Patrick - most of what has been written or said
is
just scare stories. My objections to the system will come when I find
the
government is concentrating on me, the law-abiding citizen, instead of
the
criminals. That is an altogether different matter, and one that is
already a
problem.
By that time, it's too late. If the technology is there, it WILL be
used,
whether you know it or not. Like a very wise person once said....."When
you give
up freedom for safety, you will wind up with neither".
Mike Duane
Redding, California
Older cell phone, two guns, and no car tracking system.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | 914 drivers only please! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Patrick.
I am no Rotax Authority but:-
a) Did you get the carburettor's balanced?
b) Is the "sprag clutch" in good order?
c) Did you have the prop balanced dynamically?
d) Have you had a stress resonance check done on the prop/engine
combination?
e) is your ignition working adequately on all cylinders?
Regards
Bob Harrison
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BEBERRY@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please!
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Hope you have all your problems sorted now Ferg. There will be more!!
My particular one is vibration. Horrid airframe vibration between 2000
and
3700 rpm with my 914. Fuel drained and refilled, filters cleaned,
carbs
cleaned and jets., carbs balanced with proper kit, set of new plugs
fitted,
engine mounts checked. New Arplast prop back in France for
re-balancing. All
plugs show equally nice and grey. I have run out of ideas. Has anyone
experienced similar problems and can suggest any other areas of search
please ?
Had no problems with the old Warpdrive (now defunct).
Patrick
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
You might try checking the pitch of each blade to see if all are the same.
Jim
BEBERRY@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
>
>
> Hope you have all your problems sorted now Ferg. There will be more!!
>
> My particular one is vibration. Horrid airframe vibration between 2000 and
> 3700 rpm with my 914. Fuel drained and refilled, filters cleaned, carbs
> cleaned and jets., carbs balanced with proper kit, set of new plugs fitted,
> engine mounts checked. New Arplast prop back in France for re-balancing. All
> plugs show equally nice and grey. I have run out of ideas. Has anyone
> experienced similar problems and can suggest any other areas of search please
?
> Had no problems with the old Warpdrive (now defunct).
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
You should get a dynamic balance done with a new prop,,just for peace of
mind.
Sam N77EU
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Patrick
No real life experience, some ideas though.
After you get prop back, do a dynamic balance of prop (on plane and
running)after you make sure blades track the same and they are all at the
same pitch, check your motor mounts are in good shape and fully tightened,
might as well check to see if all mounts are not cracked.
Make sure that the throttle cables where they attach to arms on carbs
rotate free, if they do not there will be an imbalance because 1 carb will
be opened more than the other.
Check out Causes of Vibration at:
http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_troubleshooting.htm
You need Power Point.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
"4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
HUH? In English please."
That WAS in English. I think you meant to ask: "In AMERICAN, please" :-)
My guess at the nearest American equivalent is: "illegal dumpers". Does that
help?
Regards,
Jeremy
PS You forgot that we don't have guns over here
PPS I think we just uncovered something that I've noticed is one of the few
significant difference in attitudes between the US and the UK: in the US few
seriously trust their government; in the UK few seriously distrust theirs. I
believe that difference is due to our respective national histories, and
that both positions are perfectly understandable in that context.
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
lack of workshop
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
In a message dated 1/2/2006 4:17:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
europaflyer_3@msn.com writes:
1) Tracking known terrorists and criminals through the chips in their mobile
phones But then there are the "other" entities that use this same technology
to watch normal people.
2) Systems that detect and fine middle-lane-hogs That's why we still have
guns!
3) Systems that detect and fine mothers who park on the double-yellow-lines
on blind corners outside schools That's what we use rental cars with full
insurance for.
4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
HUH? In English please.
5) Road-pricing systems that mean taxation is transferred from fuel duties
into road-use fees - meaning that those who a) try to avoid times of
congestion on the roads, b) live in the country and have no alternative, or
c) fly aeroplanes that run on mogas are rewarded Bet you they don't remove
the fuel taxes!
All in all, I agree with Patrick - most of what has been written or said is
just scare stories. My objections to the system will come when I find the
government is concentrating on me, the law-abiding citizen, instead of the
criminals. That is an altogether different matter, and one that is already a
problem.
By that time, it's too late. If the technology is there, it WILL be used,
whether you know it or not. Like a very wise person once said....."When you
give up freedom for safety, you will wind up with neither".
Mike Duane
Redding, California
Older cell phone, two guns, and no car tracking system.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Bob,
Given a choice between having vehicle monitoring cameras, which check that
everyone out there has a car that is not just taxed, but is tested to prove
it's safe, and is insured in case it drives into yours, and having no such
cameras and taking my chances with the low-lives that don't care about my
safety or paying for the damage they do to my vehicle, I'll take the
cameras, thanks.
Burglars, on the other hand, are welcome to an encounter with my numerous
axes, never mind my chainsaw. That's if they get past the dog with a severe
dislike of strangers.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
lack of workshop
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Well said Mike.
I'm much similar but with 3 x 12 bores and a .22 rifle.
"Fly tipping" is rogue tipping of waste mostly in rural areas to escape
waste disposal taxes invariably originated by the Urban Authorities who
don't give a shit for us that are proud of the countryside, they prefer to
feed the foxes too!
I know there are people claiming "scaremongering" but "fast forward"
about 10 years and I'll say I told you so!
10 years ago it would have been a complete "No No" to say we'd be watched by
CCTV wherever we are. Vehicle monitoring cameras are in operation now and
most city centres have cameras installed.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
In a message dated 1/2/2006 4:17:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
europaflyer_3@msn.com writes:
1) Tracking known terrorists and criminals through the chips in their mobile
phones But then there are the "other" entities that use this same technology
to
watch normal people.
2) Systems that detect and fine middle-lane-hogs That's why we still have
guns!
3) Systems that detect and fine mothers who park on the double-yellow-lines
on blind corners outside schools That's what we use rental cars with full
insurance for.
4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
HUH? In English please.
5) Road-pricing systems that mean taxation is transferred from fuel duties
into road-use fees - meaning that those who a) try to avoid times of
congestion on the roads, b) live in the country and have no alternative, or
c) fly aeroplanes that run on mogas are rewarded Bet you they don't remove
the fuel taxes!
All in all, I agree with Patrick - most of what has been written or said is
just scare stories. My objections to the system will come when I find the
government is concentrating on me, the law-abiding citizen, instead of the
criminals. That is an altogether different matter, and one that is already a
problem.
By that time, it's too late. If the technology is there, it WILL be used,
whether you know it or not. Like a very wise person once said....."When you
give up freedom for safety, you will wind up with neither".
Mike Duane
Redding, California
Older cell phone, two guns, and no car tracking system.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
On Monday, January 2, 2006, at 04:14 AM, Jeremy Davey wrote:
> 4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to
> book
And what, pray tell, are "fly-tippers"?
Fred
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Jeremy
In the U.S.A., the pepole hate the government.
In Canada, the government hates the people.
Ferg
That too is a result of local history........ Cheers
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From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
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| "4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
| HUH? In English please."
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| That WAS in English. I think you meant to ask: "In AMERICAN, please" :-)
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| My guess at the nearest American equivalent is: "illegal dumpers". Does
that
| help?
|
| Regards,
| Jeremy
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| PS You forgot that we don't have guns over here
| PPS I think we just uncovered something that I've noticed is one of the
few
| significant difference in attitudes between the US and the UK: in the US
few
| seriously trust their government; in the UK few seriously distrust theirs.
I
| believe that difference is due to our respective national histories, and
| that both positions are perfectly understandable in that context.
|
| Jeremy Davey
| Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
| Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
| PFA EC Member
| "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it
is
| possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
| Tail done
| Standard XS wings with mods underway
| CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
| 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
| lack of workshop
| Intended fit:
| Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
| Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
| DuaneFamly@aol.com
| To: europa-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
|
| --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
|
| In a message dated 1/2/2006 4:17:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| europaflyer_3@msn.com writes:
| 1) Tracking known terrorists and criminals through the chips in their
mobile
| phones But then there are the "other" entities that use this same
technology
| to watch normal people.
|
| 2) Systems that detect and fine middle-lane-hogs That's why we still have
| guns!
|
| 3) Systems that detect and fine mothers who park on the
double-yellow-lines
| on blind corners outside schools That's what we use rental cars with full
| insurance for.
|
| 4) Systems that detect fly-tippers and enable them to be brought to book
| HUH? In English please.
|
| 5) Road-pricing systems that mean taxation is transferred from fuel duties
| into road-use fees - meaning that those who a) try to avoid times of
| congestion on the roads, b) live in the country and have no alternative,
or
| c) fly aeroplanes that run on mogas are rewarded Bet you they don't remove
| the fuel taxes!
|
| All in all, I agree with Patrick - most of what has been written or said
is
| just scare stories. My objections to the system will come when I find the
| government is concentrating on me, the law-abiding citizen, instead of the
| criminals. That is an altogether different matter, and one that is already
a
| problem.
|
| By that time, it's too late. If the technology is there, it WILL be used,
| whether you know it or not. Like a very wise person once said....."When
you
| give up freedom for safety, you will wind up with neither".
|
| Mike Duane
| Redding, California
| Older cell phone, two guns, and no car tracking system.
|
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> In the U.S.A., the pepole hate the government.
> In Canada, the government hates the people.
That's fair enough Ferg. In Oz, we hate the Government and the
Government hates us. There's a name for this sort of thing, I think
it's called democracy !!
Happy New Year to you mate and may all your troubles (with engine
mounting etc) fade away.
Cheers
Kingsley
Doing a bit of filling and sanding for a change at the moment.
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