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Tue 01/03/06


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 12:54 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (BEBERRY@AOL.COM)
     2. 01:00 AM - Vibration (BEBERRY@aol.com)
     3. 01:10 AM - Electronic Tagging (Brian and Pat Tarmar)
     4. 02:00 AM - fitting gascolator (Richard Iddon)
     5. 02:53 AM - Re: fitting gascolator (Richard Holder)
     6. 04:40 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (Jeremy Davey)
     7. 04:44 AM - Re: Electronic Tagging (Jeremy Davey)
     8. 05:28 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (BEBERRY@aol.com)
     9. 07:19 AM - Re: Ampreg 20 resin, (Paul Sweeting)
    10. 07:43 AM - Re: Ampreg 20 resin, (Jeremy Davey)
    11. 08:16 AM - Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. (R.C.Harrison)
    12. 08:20 AM - Re: fitting gascolator (William Mills)
    13. 08:22 AM - Re: fitting gascolator (William Mills)
    14. 08:41 AM - Re: Ampreg 20 resin, (Paul Sweeting)
    15. 09:31 AM - XS Spinner needed (KARL HEINDL)
    16. 09:47 AM - Re: 914 drivers only please! (Terry Seaver (terrys))
    17. 11:54 AM - XS Spinner found (KARL HEINDL)
    18. 01:20 PM - XS Tri Gear MG For Sale (Jim Butcher)
    19. 01:21 PM - Fuel Qty Alternative (Jim Butcher)
    20. 01:36 PM - Re: XS Tri Gear MG For Sale (D Wysong)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:54:17 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com In a message dated 03/01/2006 01:55:17 GMT Standard Time, europaflyer_3@msn.com writes: PPS I think we just uncovered something that I've noticed is one of the few significant difference in attitudes between the US and the UK: in the US few seriously trust their government; in the UK few seriously distrust theirs. I believe that difference is due to our respective national histories, and that both positions are perfectly understandable in that context. Speak for,yourself Jeremy. I think we have the most dishonest. self seeking and blatantly corrupt government ever in the last couple of centuries. Only look at the way in which everyone is subject to pension restrictions -except for the M.P.s and their lackies. The Blair thing is advancing his own career in expectation of a senior and very highly paid position within the EU when he is kicked out of his job here, at the expense of every taxpayer in U.K. by forfeiting Billions of our money in his own search for power and influence. I include ALL politicians in my general observations. Sorry about the blast - this is not the forum for that sort of thing but the last bit of correspondence(starting with the Galileo thing), has encouraged a few words on these lines. Perhaps the Europa Club members (as with other aviation clubs to which I belong) could act in unison in opposing any measure which restricts further our freedom of the skies. Patrick


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    Time: 01:00:35 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Vibration
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Many thanks to all those who have responded to my pleas. To answer everone will do as soon as the prop comes back from France. All other things as suggested by various people have been checked out o.k. Meanwhile I am keeping my hand in with a few hours in the Cherokee but am ever in hope of getting the Europa airborne again at least by the Spring. Off to Oz soon for a month and hope to fly there. Patrick


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    Time: 01:10:28 AM PST US
    From: "Brian and Pat Tarmar" <freefolk@screaming.net>
    Subject: Electronic Tagging
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian and Pat Tarmar" <freefolk@screaming.net> Having just read the last two days digests on this subject I am very surprised that nobody on the right side of the pond has raised the "real" issue of mode S transponders. Most European states have already mandated the carriage of these expensive devices over the next five years for all flying machines, without offering any of the advantages such as TIS (traffic information service) or weather radar uplink as available in the US. All we will get for our St2000 or thereabouts is a ready method for the NATS cash register to generate "air navigation" bills when we fly from one farm strip to another. While I fully understand that mode S has become necessary because of the shortage of A codes in controlled airspace (category A through C), why on earth are we being forced down this expensive road when all we do is enter D airspace on rare occasions (the ATSUs of which will have plenty of spare A codes available once the big boys are on S) - It just has to be for the money! Brian Tarmar G-OBJT Trigear Classic Rotax 912S / Warpdrive (no transponder) 35 hours and grin fully developed


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    Time: 02:00:08 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: fitting gascolator
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Following the discussion last year about water in fuel, I am about to replace one of my in line fuel filters with an Andair mini gascolator to provide a means of trapping and draining it. Andy tells me it is not an approved factory mod but may be a club mod. I can find no information about this on the club web site. Do I need to obtain special permission / approval or can I fit it and ask my inspector to sign it off? Richard Iddon. G-RIXS 912S 218 hours, Mod 62 done. New Michelin Air tyres just fitted. Waiting for the good weather.


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    Time: 02:53:31 AM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: fitting gascolator
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> Richard Iddon wrote: > Following the discussion last year about water in fuel, I am about to > replace one of my in line fuel filters with an Andair mini gascolator to > provide a means of trapping and draining it. Andy tells me it is not an > approved factory mod but may be a club mod. I can find no information > about this on the club web site. Do I need to obtain special permission > / approval or can I fit it and ask my inspector to sign it off? Richard - if you look at the PFA web-site you will find document TL 3.07 under Engineering. It shows mod 10178 as "Fit a gascolator" and is a "mod approved for all of type". So long as you are fitting the same (-ish) type of gascolator in the same (-ish) way the you call the PFA to ask for the details of mod 10178 to be sent to you, you get your inspector to sign the SF9 form to say that your aircraft is suitable, you fit the gascolator, and then the inspector signs it off on the SF9 as having being installed correctly, with maybe a test flight. You then file the SF9 with your logbooks, and the PFA is informed at the time of the next annual. Bob's your grandmother's other son ! Richard Holder G-OWWW Classic tri-Gear High Cross


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    Time: 04:40:32 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Patrick, We're probably abusing the list now, as this is rather non-Europa, but at least there is some aviation-related stuff. You're correct on the current Government. But I think it's wrong to tar all politicians with that brush. Some I know are decent, hard-working, committed people. I see no reason to expect the next Government to continue the descent into self-serving that this current one began. As for restricting our aviation freedoms - the PFA are working hard on that, and I personally founded the Campaigning Aviators Network. I note that you haven't volunteered to join it, though. Perhaps you'd like to do so and join me and the other volunteers in spending some of our free time campaigning for these freedoms? Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com In a message dated 03/01/2006 01:55:17 GMT Standard Time, europaflyer_3@msn.com writes: PPS I think we just uncovered something that I've noticed is one of the few significant difference in attitudes between the US and the UK: in the US few seriously trust their government; in the UK few seriously distrust theirs. I believe that difference is due to our respective national histories, and that both positions are perfectly understandable in that context. Speak for,yourself Jeremy. I think we have the most dishonest. self seeking and blatantly corrupt government ever in the last couple of centuries. Only look at the way in which everyone is subject to pension restrictions -except for the M.P.s and their lackies. The Blair thing is advancing his own career in expectation of a senior and very highly paid position within the EU when he is kicked out of his job here, at the expense of every taxpayer in U.K. by forfeiting Billions of our money in his own search for power and influence. I include ALL politicians in my general observations. Sorry about the blast - this is not the forum for that sort of thing but the last bit of correspondence(starting with the Galileo thing), has encouraged a few words on these lines. Perhaps the Europa Club members (as with other aviation clubs to which I belong) could act in unison in opposing any measure which restricts further our freedom of the skies. Patrick ==========


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    Time: 04:44:33 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Electronic Tagging
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Brian, My guess is that this is actually about 'sense and avoid' for UAVs, not about en-route charging. If they tried to impose the latter, think about the problems they'd have with the inevitable civil disobedience that ensued? After all, if you're paying for that air-traffic service, why not use it? Imagine the mayhem if 200 light aircraft flying see-and-avoid past the Heathrow zone all tried to make courtesy calls to Approach at the same time during the morning peak of arrivals from the US! Pure coincidence that they're all passing at the same time, of course... Like all aviators, I think that if they want us to carry Mode S in order to help their UAVs, they should pay for the kit! Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian and Pat Tarmar Subject: Europa-List: Electronic Tagging --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian and Pat Tarmar" --> <freefolk@screaming.net> Having just read the last two days digests on this subject I am very surprised that nobody on the right side of the pond has raised the "real" issue of mode S transponders. Most European states have already mandated the carriage of these expensive devices over the next five years for all flying machines, without offering any of the advantages such as TIS (traffic information service) or weather radar uplink as available in the US. All we will get for our St2000 or thereabouts is a ready method for the NATS cash register to generate "air navigation" bills when we fly from one farm strip to another. While I fully understand that mode S has become necessary because of the shortage of A codes in controlled airspace (category A through C), why on earth are we being forced down this expensive road when all we do is enter D airspace on rare occasions (the ATSUs of which will have plenty of spare A codes available once the big boys are on S) - It just has to be for the money! Brian Tarmar G-OBJT Trigear Classic Rotax 912S / Warpdrive (no transponder) 35 hours and grin fully developed


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    Time: 05:28:35 AM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com In a message dated 03/01/2006 12:41:21 GMT Standard Time, europaflyer_3@msn.com writes: We're probably abusing the list now, as this is rather non-Europa, but at least there is some aviation-related stuff. You're correct on the current Government. But I think it's wrong to tar all politicians with that brush. Some I know are decent, hard-working, committed people. I see no reason to expect the next Government to continue the descent into self-serving that this current one began. As for restricting our aviation freedoms - the PFA are working hard on that, and I personally founded the Campaigning Aviators Network. I note that you haven't volunteered to join it, though. Perhaps you'd like to do so and join me and the other volunteers in spending some of our free time campaigning for these freedoms? Well I am probably being a bit hard on ALL politicians but having been an elected Councillor at Town and District Level for many years I left in disgust at the waste and profligacy. As for campaigning, I am more than willing to join you but am already putting my oar in via a couple of flying clubs and the Fleet Air Arm Squadron. Patrick


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    Time: 07:19:34 AM PST US
    From: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
    Subject: Ampreg 20 resin,
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com> Yep I've got pretty much the same result, marineware have a few packs in stock, Barry at Dauntless only has slow or fast not standard. It seems that is only Europa that still use this "old" composite system, (most chandlers incorrectly reckon its been discontinued!) and it's only produced in very limited quantities as one off orders by SP systems... Why does it need to be ampreg 20, not the more widely available ampreg 22 or 106?? Cheers Paul. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk> I searched for some standard Ampreg late this year without luck, and then tried Europa- they delivered it the next day! Brian Davies kit 454 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com In a message dated 30/12/05 16:20:34 GMT Standard Time, europa@percyville.plus.com writes: > I wish to purchase some new resin as mine has all expired. > Paul I bought some last year from Aquafax Ltd, tel 01270 528822, fax 01270 528833. Regards John Heykoop Kit 536 G-JHKP Installing the doors. Firewall Forward next. -- -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- --


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    Time: 07:43:53 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: Ampreg 20 resin,
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Paul, I'm open to correction, but I seem to remember that it's simply that Ampreg20 is the originally approved resin system. I also vaguely remember being told that it would be possible to get PFA Engineering approval to use other systems like Ampreg22, but no-one has made such a submission to them. (Please, this is not a cue for more complaints about PFA Engineering!) Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sweeting Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" --> <europa@percyville.plus.com> Yep I've got pretty much the same result, marineware have a few packs in stock, Barry at Dauntless only has slow or fast not standard. It seems that is only Europa that still use this "old" composite system, (most chandlers incorrectly reckon its been discontinued!) and it's only produced in very limited quantities as one off orders by SP systems... Why does it need to be ampreg 20, not the more widely available ampreg 22 or 106?? Cheers Paul. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk> I searched for some standard Ampreg late this year without luck, and then tried Europa- they delivered it the next day! Brian Davies kit 454 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com In a message dated 30/12/05 16:20:34 GMT Standard Time, europa@percyville.plus.com writes: > I wish to purchase some new resin as mine has all expired. > Paul I bought some last year from Aquafax Ltd, tel 01270 528822, fax 01270 528833. Regards John Heykoop Kit 536 G-JHKP Installing the doors. Firewall Forward next. -- -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- --


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    Time: 08:16:15 AM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Hi! Patrick, I didn't really post the original message for any reason other than I can see through the sham as being another stealth tax by the back door onto already the most expensive hobby of General Aviation, just wait and see. However IMHO You are right on the button. The lies and deceit have emanated from governments of all political persuasions particularly about the European Soviet Project since 1972 and earlier. The current naivety and apathy about politics by the population at large is playing right into their hands. I for one will never bow to their bent bureaucracy, political correctness, so called "public consultation" in lieu of true democracy. Anyone who fails to see this really is already overwhelmed by the very deceit about which I claim and has their heads stuffed right up...(you know where)...if they think their consultation will make any difference. The Galileo project will provide the vehicle for aggressive government controls in all our daily lives anyway, but those who fly for a hobby will ultimately suffer a double "whammy" you mark my words. There may be as much public consultation as you like but they don't take the slightest heed just soldier on further armed by their claim to have "consulted the public" ultimately giving no ground or compromise in all "negotiations". After all they would never have been able to make such uses of a system controlled by another super power. The only final chance of stopping the bureaucrats will be when they meet civil disobedience big time like Maggie Thatcher found out over Poll Tax. Bob Harrison. Do not archive.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: EU Referendum - Electronic tagging. --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com In a message dated 03/01/2006 01:55:17 GMT Standard Time, europaflyer_3@msn.com writes: PPS I think we just uncovered something that I've noticed is one of the few significant difference in attitudes between the US and the UK: in the US few seriously trust their government; in the UK few seriously distrust theirs. I believe that difference is due to our respective national histories, and that both positions are perfectly understandable in that context. Speak for,yourself Jeremy. I think we have the most dishonest. self seeking and blatantly corrupt government ever in the last couple of centuries. Only look at the way in which everyone is subject to pension restrictions -except for the M.P.s and their lackies. The Blair thing is advancing his own career in expectation of a senior and very highly paid position within the EU when he is kicked out of his job here, at the expense of every taxpayer in U.K. by forfeiting Billions of our money in his own search for power and influence. I include ALL politicians in my general observations. Sorry about the blast - this is not the forum for that sort of thing but the last bit of correspondence(starting with the Galileo thing), has encouraged a few words on these lines. Perhaps the Europa Club members (as with other aviation clubs to which I belong) could act in unison in opposing any measure which restricts further our freedom of the skies. Patrick


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    Time: 08:20:28 AM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: fitting gascolator
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com> Hi Richard, I was going to fit a mini Andair a couple of years ago, when they were all the rage, but when I talked to Nev, he persuaded me not to bother because he considered the twin filters was a better system, apart from the water aspect. He suggested the Andair was more likely to block than the filters. The only time I have ever found water in the tank is after it had been standing out in heavy rain for several days and that amounted to less than a thimble full in the reserve side. I assume you have the water drains fitted to each half of you tank. I consider a fuel pressure gauge and a low pressure warning light is the most useful equipment to warn against fuel starvation and a blockage building up. Why not have a word with Nev before you make up your mind? When do you plan on returning to the WI? Perhaps we can fit in a doth before you go. Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: fitting gascolator > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> > > Richard Iddon wrote: > >> Following the discussion last year about water in fuel, I am about to >> replace one of my in line fuel filters with an Andair mini gascolator to >> provide a means of trapping and draining it. Andy tells me it is not an >> approved factory mod but may be a club mod. I can find no information >> about this on the club web site. Do I need to obtain special permission >> / approval or can I fit it and ask my inspector to sign it off? > > > Richard - if you look at the PFA web-site you will find > document TL 3.07 under Engineering. > > It shows mod 10178 as "Fit a gascolator" and is a "mod > approved for all of type". > > So long as you are fitting the same (-ish) type of > gascolator in the same (-ish) way the you call the PFA to > ask for the details of mod 10178 to be sent to you, you > get your inspector to sign the SF9 form to say that your > aircraft is suitable, you fit the gascolator, and then the > inspector signs it off on the SF9 as having being > installed correctly, with maybe a test flight. > > You then file the SF9 with your logbooks, and the PFA is > informed at the time of the next annual. > > Bob's your grandmother's other son ! > > Richard Holder > G-OWWW Classic tri-Gear High Cross > > > -- > 02/01/2006 >


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    Time: 08:22:51 AM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: fitting gascolator
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com> Sorry, Richard, that reply was meant to be off forum. William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: fitting gascolator > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> > > Richard Iddon wrote: > >> Following the discussion last year about water in fuel, I am about to >> replace one of my in line fuel filters with an Andair mini gascolator to >> provide a means of trapping and draining it. Andy tells me it is not an >> approved factory mod but may be a club mod. I can find no information >> about this on the club web site. Do I need to obtain special permission >> / approval or can I fit it and ask my inspector to sign it off? > > > Richard - if you look at the PFA web-site you will find > document TL 3.07 under Engineering. > > It shows mod 10178 as "Fit a gascolator" and is a "mod > approved for all of type". > > So long as you are fitting the same (-ish) type of > gascolator in the same (-ish) way the you call the PFA to > ask for the details of mod 10178 to be sent to you, you > get your inspector to sign the SF9 form to say that your > aircraft is suitable, you fit the gascolator, and then the > inspector signs it off on the SF9 as having being > installed correctly, with maybe a test flight. > > You then file the SF9 with your logbooks, and the PFA is > informed at the time of the next annual. > > Bob's your grandmother's other son ! > > Richard Holder > G-OWWW Classic tri-Gear High Cross > > > -- > 02/01/2006 >


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    Time: 08:41:23 AM PST US
    From: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
    Subject: Ampreg 20 resin,
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com> Thanks Jeremy, I have found a caution from Neville on a previous conversation regarding some of the properties of ampreg 22 not being as good as ampreg 20. >Hi All, >Before you all go off and buy Ampreg 22, please note that Ampreg 22 has not >been >qualified by Europa as an alternative to Ampreg 20. The physical properties >fall short of the Ampreg 20 system. Anyone building in the UK would have to >deal >with the P.F.A. if they wish to substitute the 20 for ANY other resin. > Cheers, >Nev. Not sure what the specific properties are, or whether this was just the factory line. Obviously if I was to change resin system it must clearly be for a system with same or better properties than the original... Cheers Paul. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Paul, I'm open to correction, but I seem to remember that it's simply that Ampreg20 is the originally approved resin system. I also vaguely remember being told that it would be possible to get PFA Engineering approval to use other systems like Ampreg22, but no-one has made such a submission to them. (Please, this is not a cue for more complaints about PFA Engineering!) Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sweeting Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" --> <europa@percyville.plus.com> Yep I've got pretty much the same result, marineware have a few packs in stock, Barry at Dauntless only has slow or fast not standard. It seems that is only Europa that still use this "old" composite system, (most chandlers incorrectly reckon its been discontinued!) and it's only produced in very limited quantities as one off orders by SP systems... Why does it need to be ampreg 20, not the more widely available ampreg 22 or 106?? Cheers Paul. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk> I searched for some standard Ampreg late this year without luck, and then tried Europa- they delivered it the next day! Brian Davies kit 454 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ampreg 20 resin, --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com In a message dated 30/12/05 16:20:34 GMT Standard Time, europa@percyville.plus.com writes: > I wish to purchase some new resin as mine has all expired. > Paul I bought some last year from Aquafax Ltd, tel 01270 528822, fax 01270 528833. Regards John Heykoop Kit 536 G-JHKP Installing the doors. Firewall Forward next. -- -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- -- -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- --


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    Time: 09:31:43 AM PST US
    From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: XS Spinner needed
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com> I have ordered a Woodcomp prop and they asked me to supply a spinner so they can make a new mold for a proper fit to the XS cowling. My only problem is : I am currently in the UK (Windsor) and my Europa is in Canada. Can someone loan me his spinner for a couple of weeks, maybe someone who upgraded to an Airmaster and has an old spinner lying around the workshop. I will pay postage and a security deposit. I don't really understand why they have to have a 'master', only the diameter is really relevant, but I couldn't get an answer to that question. I would return it as soon as it comes back to me. Any help appreciated, Karl


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    Time: 09:47:18 AM PST US
    Subject: 914 drivers only please!
    From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com> Hi Patrick, We had problems with vibration in that rpm range that had us stumped for a while. It turned out to be a mis-match in the prop blade incidences on our Airmaster prop. As I recall, one blade was almost one degree off from the other two. Turned out to be a problem with the blade followers that was eventually corrected by the factory. Depending on how the blades were installed in the hub (and the orientation of the followers), the incidences could come out fairly close, or be rather bad. Regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please! --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Hope you have all your problems sorted now Ferg. There will be more!! My particular one is vibration. Horrid airframe vibration between 2000 and 3700 rpm with my 914. Fuel drained and refilled, filters cleaned, carbs cleaned and jets., carbs balanced with proper kit, set of new plugs fitted, engine mounts checked. New Arplast prop back in France for re-balancing. All plugs show equally nice and grey. I have run out of ideas. Has anyone experienced similar problems and can suggest any other areas of search please ? Had no problems with the old Warpdrive (now defunct). Patrick


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    Time: 11:54:48 AM PST US
    From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: XS Spinner found
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com> Many thanks for the super fast responses. I have located and arranged for a spinner to be posted. Regards Karl


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    Time: 01:20:42 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
    Subject: XS Tri Gear MG For Sale
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> FOR SALE Europa XS, Tri Gear, Motor Glider Kit. Complete kit except FWF. All fast build options. Cockpit module & landing gear installed. One wing completed, both rigged. Top fit and clecoed in place. Located Jackson, MI. $30,000. Contact Nihl Storey, 517-617-1388.


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    Time: 01:21:10 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
    Subject: Fuel Qty Alternative
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> Tony K's fuel gauge measures the weight of the fuel above sensor at the bottom of the tank and uses a computer to express this as fuel quantity. msi sensors (www.msiusa.com) sells a sensor called Level Master, Model LM. This is a 1 psig sensor that requires 5 VDC and outputs .5 to 4.5 VDC. A simple 5 volt regulator could provide the supply voltage and the output could be supplied to an analog voltmeter. The supplied sensor is in a PVC housing which may not stand up to gasoline, but an aluminum replacement could easily be made. The LM31-0000-001PG sells for 85 USD. 12 inches of fuel is about .3 psig. Jim Butcher N241BW


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    Time: 01:36:53 PM PST US
    From: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: XS Tri Gear MG For Sale
    --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com> Hi Jim. We attended the Europa workshop with Nihl and are sorry to hear that he isn't going to be finishing it. If you are in contact with him please wish him well and tell him his two workshop buddies from Texas say "Howdy!" D DO NOT ARCHIVE ------- Jim Butcher wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> > > FOR SALE Europa XS, Tri Gear, Motor Glider Kit. Complete kit except FWF. All fast build options. Cockpit module & landing gear installed. One wing completed, both rigged. Top fit and clecoed in place. Located Jackson, MI. $30,000. Contact Nihl Storey, 517-617-1388. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >




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