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1. 07:05 AM - Fuel testing (Fergus Kyle)
2. 11:23 AM - Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator (Mike Parkin)
3. 11:59 AM - Europa-list: fitting gascolator (Rmi Guerner)
4. 12:14 PM - Rotax Engines for Sale (N914RB)
5. 12:46 PM - Europa-list: fitting gascolator (Rmi Guerner)
6. 01:56 PM - Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator (JEFF ROBERTS)
7. 03:37 PM - Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator (R.C.Harrison)
8. 03:37 PM - Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator (R.C.Harrison)
9. 11:06 PM - Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator (Mike Parkin)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I follow the thread on gascolators and water drains with
interest. Some of the solutions are insightful regarding what fuel goes
through from stroage tank to engine, and some are not.
However, much depends on where you get your fuel. If you're
flying in the early spring in Northern Canada, you want to ask, "How long
has this fuel been in your tanks?", and "when was the last aircraft fueled?"
because there could be all sorts of gup in there. So one guy's advice is
another's beware......
Also from having checked fuel tanks in many different machines I
can swear that each needs its own routine. The Harvard requires you to lie
in the dirt dripping the wing tanks, and then dripping the gascolator - one
for overnight storage, the other for water in the lines (and any dirt that
gets by the filters).
I have both water drains for tank storage checks and gascolator
for dirt in the lines. You can bet your bippy that they get checked before
every first flight and whenever contaminated fuel is remotely suspected.
They are also tested before every second flight - sometimes the vibration
loosens hiding dirt. AND they are located not under the wings, but behind
them (where I can reach them handily) so I'm not tempted to avoid looking.
Yes I have the extended wire gauze gascolator cup for greater catch-itude.
These are things some may not have contemplated before......?
Happy Landings,
Ferg
A064
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Subject: | Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
> Hmmmmmmm. My experience with the two inline 914 filters has been just
> fine.
250 hrs in and never a filter problem in G-JULZ. I echo your comments.
Please let us not criticise a system that is operating successfully in
dozens of aircraft because of a suspect installation/fuel supply.
regards,
MP
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Subject: | Europa-list: fitting gascolator |
From: "R\351mi Guerner" <ai...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rmi Guerner" <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
My own experience is just the opposite. I flew my previous aircraft (a certified
ROBIN with a O-360 Lycoming running exclusively on AVGAS) for 10 years and 800
hours, without having ever found anything in the gascolator screen. Since I
fly the Europa, mainly on MOGAS, I keep finding some dirt, most of it stays in
the filtering funnel, some find its way to the tank. So, better be careful and
have a good filter/gascolator.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, S/N395, XS monowheel, 288 hours on a 914 + 89 hours since fitted with
the 912S.
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
I disagree that Mogas is not a clean fuel. The only place you will get dirty
fuel over in the USA would be at the airport as auto fuel retailers have a
much
cleaner product as they are held to a higer standard than the FBO retailer and
after checking your filters after using 100LL you would agree.
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Subject: | Rotax Engines for Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
A few weeks ago there was a post here by Bruce about some Rotax Engines for
sale. I just thought I'd let anyone interested know that there are 3- 912
and 1- 914 left. The 914 is the certified version (F) and the 912 probably
are too (I forgot to ask) They been sitting around a while but most are new
in the box. You'll have to sort through any factory bulletins that are
needed but basically it's a significant reduction off of the Rotax new
price. I have no financial stake in this; I just know how proud Rotax i$ of
their engine$.
The guy selling them is Dave Dent who's got 40 years engine experience and
also flies a nice looking Velocity which you can see at
http://www.cattoprops.com/html/velocity_xl_props.html.
I found him to be a real straight shooter and he even did some checking
around to keep the shipping/insurance costs down on the 914F that I bought.
There's a little info on him at his former company's site:
http://www.hyperspectral.com <http://www.hyperspectral.com/> .
He also worked on the Raptor built by Scaled Composites:
http://www.scaled.com/projects/raptor.html.
You may reach Dave at davedent@comcast.net.
Anyway, caveat emptor still applies but do your research as I did and you
should come out fine. This is just a heads up to those of you who might be
interested. All the best and happy building/safe flying.
Dan
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Subject: | Europa-list: fitting gascolator |
From: "R\351mi Guerner" <ai...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rmi Guerner" <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
Gary Stout wrote: Hmmmmmmm. My experience with the two inline 914 filters has
been just fine
Gary,
Obviously you belong to the majority of Europa owners who have yet to experience
an engine stoppage due to fuel contamination and therefore say that the original
in line filters are just fine. We had two Europa accidents here in France
due to clogged filters: one killed the pilot; the other one damaged the airplane
extensively and the pilot was very lucky. This is for a small fleet of 17
Europas flying in this country. So one out of ten crashed due to clogged filters
! This can happen to you! Don't take chances, upgrade your fuel system with
a good gascolator.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, S/N395, XS monowheel, 288 hours on a 914 + 89 hours since fitted with
the 912S.
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Subject: | Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
I've been following this thread and I think I want to step in here. I
mounted my filters under an armrest door/ cover in the tunnel just
between the seats. I can open the hatch and look at the filters in
flight and on pre flight instantly. My thoughts are if your engine goes
silent, change to the other side of the tank as that filter should be
clear. Land and replace both. I mean isn't that why we have two anyway?
Jeff
A258
Towing to the airport as soon as I get over this flu!
>
>
> Gary Stout wrote: Hmmmmmmm. My experience with the two inline 914
> filters has been just fine
> Gary,
> Obviously you belong to the majority of Europa owners who have yet to
> experience an engine stoppage due to fuel contamination and therefore
> say that the original in line filters are just fine. We had two
> Europa accidents here in France due to clogged filters: one killed the
> pilot; the other one damaged the airplane extensively and the pilot
> was very lucky. This is for a small fleet of 17 Europas flying in this
> country. So one out of ten crashed due to clogged filters ! This can
> happen to you! Don't take chances, upgrade your fuel system with a
> good gascolator.
> Remi Guerner
> F-PGKL, S/N395, XS monowheel, 288 hours on a 914 + 89 hours since
> fitted with
> the 912S.
>
>
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Subject: | Europa-list: fitting gascolator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi!
Well said "Rmi".
I think it's rather like landing "gear up"....there's those that have
and those that will!!!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 c/w gascolator, water drain
valves, filler gauze and tank connectors re-drilled .!
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rmi Guerner
Subject: Europa-List: Europa-list: fitting gascolator
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rmi Guerner"
<air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
Gary Stout wrote: Hmmmmmmm. My experience with the two inline 914
filters has been just fine
Gary,
Obviously you belong to the majority of Europa owners who have yet to
experience an engine stoppage due to fuel contamination and therefore
say that the original in line filters are just fine. We had two Europa
accidents here in France due to clogged filters: one killed the pilot;
the other one damaged the airplane extensively and the pilot was very
lucky. This is for a small fleet of 17 Europas flying in this country.
So one out of ten crashed due to clogged filters ! This can happen to
you! Don't take chances, upgrade your fuel system with a good
gascolator.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, S/N395, XS monowheel, 288 hours on a 914 + 89 hours since
fitted with
the 912S.
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Subject: | Europa-list: fitting gascolator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jeff
Sorry about the 'flu. It's more topical over here!
I hear your theory but it has one slight draw back..... the reserve side
will attract a bigger deposit of contamination (since that side gets all
the fill up fuel and the main side on the other side of the tunnel has
consequently less chance of contamination.) So when you switch to the
reserve side(having had the "splutters" from the main)you can bet it
will be for a very short time !
Sorry guys IMHO and experience the inline filters just can not
accommodate, or for that matter certainly not separate any water.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 c/w gascolator ....etc etc.!
then there's the dog hairs!!!! Beat you to the punch Nev!
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF
ROBERTS
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa-list: fitting gascolator
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
I've been following this thread and I think I want to step in here. I
mounted my filters under an armrest door/ cover in the tunnel just
between the seats. I can open the hatch and look at the filters in
flight and on pre flight instantly. My thoughts are if your engine goes
silent, change to the other side of the tank as that filter should be
clear. Land and replace both. I mean isn't that why we have two anyway?
Jeff
A258
Towing to the airport as soon as I get over this flu!
>
>
> Gary Stout wrote: Hmmmmmmm. My experience with the two inline 914
> filters has been just fine
> Gary,
> Obviously you belong to the majority of Europa owners who have yet to
> experience an engine stoppage due to fuel contamination and therefore
> say that the original in line filters are just fine. We had two
> Europa accidents here in France due to clogged filters: one killed the
> pilot; the other one damaged the airplane extensively and the pilot
> was very lucky. This is for a small fleet of 17 Europas flying in this
> country. So one out of ten crashed due to clogged filters ! This can
> happen to you! Don't take chances, upgrade your fuel system with a
> good gascolator.
> Remi Guerner
> F-PGKL, S/N395, XS monowheel, 288 hours on a 914 + 89 hours since
> fitted with
> the 912S.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa-list: fitting gascolator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
> I hear your theory but it has one slight draw back..... the reserve side
> will attract a bigger deposit of contamination (since that side gets all
> the fill up fuel and the main side on the other side of the tunnel has
> consequently less chance of contamination.) So when you switch to the
> reserve side(having had the "splutters" from the main)you can bet it
> will be for a very short time !
> Sorry guys IMHO and experience the inline filters just can not
> accommodate, or for that matter certainly not separate any water.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 c/w gascolator ....etc etc.!
> then there's the dog hairs!!!! Beat you to the punch Nev!
>
Bob,
This seems to me to be a question of care and good practices. If one is
careful to keep any rubbish out of the system during the building, and
filter all fuel that goes into the tank, clogging should not be an issue.
The small deposits that will accumulate overtime are adequately handled by
routine filter changes.
I don't think the Proline filters are intended to be water seperators - just
inline filters.
Of course large filters might be required if one's power unit uses a lot of
fuel.(teehee!!)
regards,
Mike
3 German Shepherds but never a problem of doghair in the workshop.
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