---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/09/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:27 AM - Rudder Trim (Troy Maynor) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: rotating stand (Mike Gamble) 3. 07:39 AM - Re: Rudder Trim (Jeff B) 4. 08:10 AM - Europa Club break-in to Colditz (Jeremy Davey) 5. 08:32 AM - Re: Europa Club break-in to Colditz (Alan Burrows) 6. 08:32 AM - Putting on weight (Richard Iddon) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: Putting on weight (Alan Burrows) 8. 09:11 AM - Re: Europa Club break-in to Colditz (Jeremy Davey) 9. 09:28 AM - Re: Putting on weight () 10. 09:30 AM - Things Colditz (Nigel Graham) 11. 09:40 AM - Re: Putting on weight (Paul Sweeting) 12. 10:58 AM - Re: Rudder Trim (NevEyre@AOL.COM) 13. 12:53 PM - Re: RunningTemps and Right Roll (Tony Bale) 14. 12:53 PM - Re: RunningTemps and Right Roll (Tony Bale) 15. 12:53 PM - Re: RunningTemps and Right Roll (Tony Bale) 16. 01:06 PM - Re: Putting on weight (Duncan McFadyean) 17. 01:30 PM - glass fitting (Paul Stewart) 18. 02:04 PM - Re: RunningTemps and Right Roll (Bryan Allsop) 19. 02:17 PM - Re: Putting on weight (Rowland Carson) 20. 03:43 PM - Re: RunningTemps and Right Roll (Jeremy Davey) 21. 07:01 PM - All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! (Matt Dralle) 22. 07:55 PM - Test post Mat -> Eur (SteveD) 23. 08:13 PM - Re: Test post Mat -> Eur (SteveD) 24. 09:15 PM - Re: glass fitting (Steve Hagar) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:18 AM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: Rudder Trim --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" Hi All, I know that most have put some sort of rudder trim tab in place. My questions are these. Should I put a couple of nut plates into the rudder before I complete the filling and sanding of it? Which side is preferred? How far up from the bottom? How big should it be? I am envisioning an aluminum piece that will be bent to adjust later. Probably not as elegant as it could be if molded in but you can't predict the angle needed in the future. What to do??? Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. Weaverville, NC USA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:47 AM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Re: Europa-List: rotating stand --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" > You did well Paul. My catalogue shows 32.79. What mods did you do to it and did you have any problems? Mike Gamble XS 440 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:37 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder Trim --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B Troy, I've not found it necessary to adjust rudder trim... Jeff - N55XS 130 hrs Troy Maynor wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" > > Hi All, > > I know that most have put some sort of rudder trim tab in place. My > questions are these. Should I put a couple of nut plates into the rudder > before I complete the filling and sanding of it? Which side is preferred? > How far up from the bottom? How big should it be? I am envisioning an > aluminum piece that will be bent to adjust later. Probably not as elegant as > it could be if molded in but you can't predict the angle needed in the > future. What to do??? > > Troy Maynor > N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic > Left to finish: > Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. > Weaverville, NC USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:17 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club break-in to Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Yes, you read right. Colditz in the former East Germany, home of the infamous Colditz Castle, World War 2 PoW camp for the Prominenter (high-profile prisoners) and the Deutchfeindlich ('bad-boys' of the incarcerated Allied forces). We're organising a Club trip to visit the Castle. To make this even more enticing, we're taking Garsham Robertson, Colditz expert and tour guide with us. There are never any guarantees, but it is possible that Garsh may be able to get us into parts of the castle one does not normally get to see (in the past this has included the attic where the glider was built, Douglas Bader's room, the theatre, the corridor over the gate to the guardhouse, and the chapel with the famous French tunnel (but not the tunnel itself)). Dates will be Friday 19th through Monday 21st/Tuesday 22nd May this year, and will include a full day at the castle. It will be an event not to be missed, but numbers will be very limited. If you are interested in joining the trip, please let me know. Please indicate if you have your own aircraft and if you will be able to take a passenger. Places will be allocated on a first-come-first-served basis, but I'm afraid I need to reserve the right to prioritise those able to take a passenger as not everyone involved in organising this has an airworthy plane. If you'd like a 'recommended reading' list before you go, please just let me know. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:02 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Club break-in to Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Jeremy Kate & I would like to go if possible and if it helps we could take our "other aircraft" so we would have two spare seats. Is it to be a straight there and back or are you planning to make it a few days of "merrymaking" Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club break-in to Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" --> Yes, you read right. Colditz in the former East Germany, home of the infamous Colditz Castle, World War 2 PoW camp for the Prominenter (high-profile prisoners) and the Deutchfeindlich ('bad-boys' of the incarcerated Allied forces). We're organising a Club trip to visit the Castle. To make this even more enticing, we're taking Garsham Robertson, Colditz expert and tour guide with us. There are never any guarantees, but it is possible that Garsh may be able to get us into parts of the castle one does not normally get to see (in the past this has included the attic where the glider was built, Douglas Bader's room, the theatre, the corridor over the gate to the guardhouse, and the chapel with the famous French tunnel (but not the tunnel itself)). Dates will be Friday 19th through Monday 21st/Tuesday 22nd May this year, and will include a full day at the castle. It will be an event not to be missed, but numbers will be very limited. If you are interested in joining the trip, please let me know. Please indicate if you have your own aircraft and if you will be able to take a passenger. Places will be allocated on a first-come-first-served basis, but I'm afraid I need to reserve the right to prioritise those able to take a passenger as not everyone involved in organising this has an airworthy plane. If you'd like a 'recommended reading' list before you go, please just let me know. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:03 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: Europa-List: Putting on weight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" When my tri gear was first completed a couple of years ago, it weighed in at what I thought was a creditable 818 lbs. Since then, as most of us do I guess, I have played about and added a few extra's such as fire extinguisher, first aid kit, tool roll, Hi viz jackets etc. each of which I considered would make no significant difference to the W&B calcs. Whilst my bird is at home at present, and I have just replaced the tailplane torque tube pins and fitted new tyres, I decided to check the weight again. I have put on 45lbs! Now two up, with full fuel, I can carry three whole pounds of baggage before becoming overweight. I guess I need to go on a diet! Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:45 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Putting on weight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Now lets all think about what these"three pounds" should consist of :-) Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Putting on weight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" When my tri gear was first completed a couple of years ago, it weighed in at what I thought was a creditable 818 lbs. Since then, as most of us do I guess, I have played about and added a few extra's such as fire extinguisher, first aid kit, tool roll, Hi viz jackets etc. each of which I considered would make no significant difference to the W&B calcs. Whilst my bird is at home at present, and I have just replaced the tailplane torque tube pins and fitted new tyres, I decided to check the weight again. I have put on 45lbs! Now two up, with full fuel, I can carry three whole pounds of baggage before becoming overweight. I guess I need to go on a diet! Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:36 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Club break-in to Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Alan, The plan is a couple of days in the area. So one day out, one in Colditz, one in either Dresden or Leipzig (I vote Dresden, they have some superb steam trains :-), plus I want to see inside the Fraukirsche), and one back. Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Club break-in to Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" --> Hi Jeremy Kate & I would like to go if possible and if it helps we could take our "other aircraft" so we would have two spare seats. Is it to be a straight there and back or are you planning to make it a few days of "merrymaking" Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club break-in to Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" --> Yes, you read right. Colditz in the former East Germany, home of the infamous Colditz Castle, World War 2 PoW camp for the Prominenter (high-profile prisoners) and the Deutchfeindlich ('bad-boys' of the incarcerated Allied forces). We're organising a Club trip to visit the Castle. To make this even more enticing, we're taking Garsham Robertson, Colditz expert and tour guide with us. There are never any guarantees, but it is possible that Garsh may be able to get us into parts of the castle one does not normally get to see (in the past this has included the attic where the glider was built, Douglas Bader's room, the theatre, the corridor over the gate to the guardhouse, and the chapel with the famous French tunnel (but not the tunnel itself)). Dates will be Friday 19th through Monday 21st/Tuesday 22nd May this year, and will include a full day at the castle. It will be an event not to be missed, but numbers will be very limited. If you are interested in joining the trip, please let me know. Please indicate if you have your own aircraft and if you will be able to take a passenger. Places will be allocated on a first-come-first-served basis, but I'm afraid I need to reserve the right to prioritise those able to take a passenger as not everyone involved in organising this has an airworthy plane. If you'd like a 'recommended reading' list before you go, please just let me know. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms ==== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Putting on weight From: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Now lets all think about what these "three pounds" should consist of :-)" A faulty scale! Ron Parigoris Do not arcive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:46 AM PST US From: "Nigel Graham" Subject: Europa-List: Things Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" For those of you with an interest in "things Colditz", you may be interested to know that the RAF officer responsible for the design and build of the famous Colditz glider is alive and still very active - despite being well into his nineties. Though his flying days are well past, this absolutely charming man spends his days painstakingly building a self designed single-seat plywood amphibian in the hangar at Old Sarum. He has recently started covering the flying surfaces in the same blue gingham cloth that his famous glider sported. If ever there was an example of dogged determination - this must be it and he is an inspiration to any kit builder that feels he is losing the will to continue. Those (UK based) DOTHers visiting Old Sarum might like to wander in to admire his work and have a chat. Nigel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club break-in to Colditz --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" ............We're organising a Club trip to visit the Castle. To make this even more enticing, we're taking Garsham Robertson, Colditz expert and tour guide with us. There are never any guarantees, but it is possible that Garsh may be able to get us into parts of the castle one does not normally get to see (in the past this has included the attic where the glider was built)........................ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:17 AM PST US From: "Paul Sweeting" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Putting on weight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" Easy.... FCUK playing away kit, on sale in boots... http://www.boots.com/brandtreatment/product_details_brand_treatment.jsp?prod uctid=1062887 Or for Alan the FCUK mile high kit, sold out in boots but still available here: http://www.fcukbuymail.com/ProductDetails.aspx?language=en-GB&ProductID=SU0B U%20NA%20%20NA&CategoryID=w_gift Cheers Paul Sweeting Kits 558 + 575 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Now lets all think about what these"three pounds" should consist of :-) Alan -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:57 AM PST US From: NevEyre@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder Trim --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Troy, Best bet is to wait 'n see if you actually need one....if you do, then tape a piece of alloy on, somewhere near the bottom, with Gaffer / Race / Duct tape, [ call it what you will.....]tweaking between test flights, until you have the required effect. Then remove it, paint to match, and stick it onto the painted surface with 5 minute epoxy....which is plenty strong enough for the job, but when some Muppet walks into it / tugs it to see how firmly attached it is / pushes the plane around the hanger with it...... it will come off without hurting the rudder ! Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:23 PM PST US From: "Tony Bale" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" Hi Cliff, We are thinking long and hard about in flight adjustable trim tab, due to the effect of pilot / passenger combinations, but PFA approval will probably can that idea. With regard to temps, with the engine on cold oil it feels much harsher and oil pressure drops, so we are working hard to fix the issue, but I was interested to see other angles of thought ! ATB Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > > Tony > > Your role trim is normal I think. I built a 2"x8" tab into the port aileron. It is adjustable from the cockpit and is very useful. Pictures are included at europaowners.org . Your low temperature would be normal for my Rotax. I am not worried about it. Much better than to hot ! > > Cliff Shaw > 1041 Euclid ave. > Edmonds, WA 98020 > 425 776 5555 > http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:23 PM PST US From: "Tony Bale" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" Paul, The stall is extremely benign and the aircraft does absolutely nothing it shouldn't, as confirmed by our test pilot (was CAA chief test pilot at the time I think) and John Brownlow who did our conversions, vastly experienced on type, so no clues their !! Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > Hi Tony, > > Does your aircraft drop the right wing in a stall with both flaps up and > flaps down. Is it the same amount ? > > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:46 PM PST US From: "Tony Bale" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" Bryan Thanks for the comments, interesting autopilot you have ! You are quite correct, when we dial out the wing drop with a trim tab you need to apply right rudder (just a touch) and the situation is extremely dependant on pilot / passenger ratio. However all the trim tabs and a touch of rudder decays all the efficiency we have tried to obtain !! ATB Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > > Hi Tony. > > My Europa is the same format as yours. You can set it up to be 'hands free' > in any particular power and weight configuration, but changing power > significantly, or carrying a heavy passenger will spoil the hands free > state. I have tried a clip-on elevator trim for use with a passenger, and it > works until I forget it. I installed an adjustable knicker elastic restraint > on the control stick, and that works, but I don't use it now ( I could never > get on with that stuff). I find that a bit of rudder pressure sorts the > thing out. > > Regarding the cold running. Again my solution is a bit boring. Blank off > half of the over-generous radiator in the winter, and take it out when the > weather turns warmer. I use a bit of right angled coving from a kitchen work > surface. > > Enjoy flying. > > Bryan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Bale" > To: > Subject: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" > > > > Greetings to one and all and a happy new year to you all, > > > > Our bird G-CCUL (mono XS, 912S, with Warp Drive circa 22 deg) has now > > completed something around 100 hours flying and we really only have a > > couple of gripes and I would appreciate input from the forum. > > > > Firstly we have a roll to the right, not bad and the test pilot was > > certainly not at all concerned but we want hands off flying and are > > fitting various sized trim tabs to the underside of the left aileron to > > trim out the effect (having started on the left flap). We believe the > > flaps are perhaps not quite level but without adjustment this is proving > > very difficult to measure. The trials and errors continue, but I wonder > > what other pilots are experiencing - your thoughts? > > > > Secondly, and to be honest this is the real annoying one, we are suffering > > with very low oil and coolant temperatures. I brought this up some time > > ago but had very few responses. As the temperature outside are lower now, > > we wondered if anyone else has the same problems and what your solutions > > were. > > > > We get the coolant and oil up to temperature - 100deg before take-off (we > > fitted Evans coolant, this increased CHT by circa 10 degrees, and makes > > for a very much more stable cooling system than water based, and pretty > > much impossible to boil, having boiled the water coolant during a lengthy > > hold in the summer, I can say that without fear of contradiction it is a > > very worth while modification) climb out maintains temps but leveling out > > sees the oil temp drop with a corresponding drop in oil pressure. If we > > decend or reduce power below 5000rpm the temps fall away to 60 - 70 oil, > > 70 -80 coolant and are almost impossible to recover in flight. We have > > tried blanking off the main inlet, and closing the oil tank inlet. Unless > > you almost completely blank off the main inlet their is little effect > > (this cures cruise but effects ground handling). > > > > We are investigating a flap behind the radiators which will be operated > > from within the cockpit, but obviously nothing is approved so this needs > > to be attempted with care and thought. During the build we went to great > > lengths to optimize the air inlets, ramp the air into the rads instead of > > around etc, and it would appear we have done too good a job !! > > > > we are fairly sure the guages are in the right ball park and even during > > the summer we experienced over cooling, with the current temps its an > > absolute night mare !! Any thoughts good people ? > > > > As an aside to all you builders reading the comments about problems, don't > > despare, our Europa is no doubt like everybody elses, a delight to fly, > > handles beautifully and uses next to no fuel. Just take a pragmatic > > approach to all the views expressed (IMHO ofcourse). > > > > Best wishes > > > > Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:11 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Putting on weight --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" As it happens, last weekend I weighed an aircraft using digital load pads loaned by a certain UK-based microlight association. They came with a current certificate of calibration, traceable to National Standards and issued by an ISO9000/1-accredited company. The scales underread by 7%. Either that or the half stone I'd put on over Xmas has suddenly vanished. However, the second load cell in the set seemed to give credible results. Can't trust anyone! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Putting on weight > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > "Now lets all think about what these "three pounds" should consist of :-)" > > A faulty scale! > > Ron Parigoris > > Do not arcive > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:09 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: glass fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart After fitting the door and front screens with a 1mm gap in the rebate, do we then leave the gap or have folk filled it with filler? REgards Paul Stewart G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:11 PM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" Thanks Tony, At last, I feel fulfilled in life! Don't worry about the efficiency aspect, it is minimal (if you are not too obsessive). Cheers Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Bale" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" > > Bryan Thanks for the comments, interesting autopilot you have ! > > You are quite correct, when we dial out the wing drop with a trim tab you > need to apply right rudder (just a touch) and the situation is extremely > dependant on pilot / passenger ratio. > > However all the trim tabs and a touch of rudder decays all the efficiency > we > have tried to obtain !! > > ATB > > Tony. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Allsop" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" > >> >> Hi Tony. >> >> My Europa is the same format as yours. You can set it up to be 'hands > free' >> in any particular power and weight configuration, but changing power >> significantly, or carrying a heavy passenger will spoil the hands free >> state. I have tried a clip-on elevator trim for use with a passenger, and > it >> works until I forget it. I installed an adjustable knicker elastic > restraint >> on the control stick, and that works, but I don't use it now ( I could > never >> get on with that stuff). I find that a bit of rudder pressure sorts the >> thing out. >> >> Regarding the cold running. Again my solution is a bit boring. Blank off >> half of the over-generous radiator in the winter, and take it out when >> the >> weather turns warmer. I use a bit of right angled coving from a kitchen > work >> surface. >> >> Enjoy flying. >> >> Bryan >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tony Bale" >> To: >> Subject: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll >> >> >> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" >> > >> > Greetings to one and all and a happy new year to you all, >> > >> > Our bird G-CCUL (mono XS, 912S, with Warp Drive circa 22 deg) has now >> > completed something around 100 hours flying and we really only have a >> > couple of gripes and I would appreciate input from the forum. >> > >> > Firstly we have a roll to the right, not bad and the test pilot was >> > certainly not at all concerned but we want hands off flying and are >> > fitting various sized trim tabs to the underside of the left aileron to >> > trim out the effect (having started on the left flap). We believe the >> > flaps are perhaps not quite level but without adjustment this is >> > proving >> > very difficult to measure. The trials and errors continue, but I wonder >> > what other pilots are experiencing - your thoughts? >> > >> > Secondly, and to be honest this is the real annoying one, we are > suffering >> > with very low oil and coolant temperatures. I brought this up some time >> > ago but had very few responses. As the temperature outside are lower > now, >> > we wondered if anyone else has the same problems and what your >> > solutions >> > were. >> > >> > We get the coolant and oil up to temperature - 100deg before take-off > (we >> > fitted Evans coolant, this increased CHT by circa 10 degrees, and makes >> > for a very much more stable cooling system than water based, and pretty >> > much impossible to boil, having boiled the water coolant during a > lengthy >> > hold in the summer, I can say that without fear of contradiction it is >> > a >> > very worth while modification) climb out maintains temps but leveling > out >> > sees the oil temp drop with a corresponding drop in oil pressure. If we >> > decend or reduce power below 5000rpm the temps fall away to 60 - 70 >> > oil, >> > 70 -80 coolant and are almost impossible to recover in flight. We have >> > tried blanking off the main inlet, and closing the oil tank inlet. > Unless >> > you almost completely blank off the main inlet their is little effect >> > (this cures cruise but effects ground handling). >> > >> > We are investigating a flap behind the radiators which will be operated >> > from within the cockpit, but obviously nothing is approved so this >> > needs >> > to be attempted with care and thought. During the build we went to >> > great >> > lengths to optimize the air inlets, ramp the air into the rads instead > of >> > around etc, and it would appear we have done too good a job !! >> > >> > we are fairly sure the guages are in the right ball park and even >> > during >> > the summer we experienced over cooling, with the current temps its an >> > absolute night mare !! Any thoughts good people ? >> > >> > As an aside to all you builders reading the comments about problems, > don't >> > despare, our Europa is no doubt like everybody elses, a delight to fly, >> > handles beautifully and uses next to no fuel. Just take a pragmatic >> > approach to all the views expressed (IMHO ofcourse). >> > >> > Best wishes >> > >> > Tony. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:30 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Putting on weight --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2006-01-09 16:28 +0000 Richard Iddon wrote: >When my tri gear was first completed a couple of years ago, it weighed >in at what I thought was a creditable 818 lbs Richard - my records show 805 lbs at first flight - but maybe that was before _other_ vital items were fitted. I'll change it to 863 now. Any advance on the 130 hours flown in late 2004? regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson (retiring) Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:49 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Tony, There are at least two PFA approved trim-tab installations in the UK - Mike Parkin has a cut-out tab and is flying, I have a hinge-type tab behind the aileron TE but am not flying yet. They're not 'all of type', but they may help you get your own approval through. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Bale Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" Hi Cliff, We are thinking long and hard about in flight adjustable trim tab, due to the effect of pilot / passenger combinations, but PFA approval will probably can that idea. With regard to temps, with the engine on cold oil it feels much harsher and oil pressure drops, so we are working hard to fix the issue, but I was interested to see other angles of thought ! ATB Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RunningTemps and Right Roll > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > --> > > Tony > > Your role trim is normal I think. I built a 2"x8" tab into the port aileron. It is adjustable from the cockpit and is very useful. Pictures are included at europaowners.org . Your low temperature would be normal for my Rotax. I am not worried about it. Much better than to hot ! > > Cliff Shaw > 1041 Euclid ave. > Edmonds, WA 98020 > 425 776 5555 > http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:27 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works. But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!! It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation. All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing the all of the Lists. You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register" to get you started. I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle"). This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an "avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120. You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both. Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed* to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation. I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription page. I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions. Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing back to the BBS. And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email List BBS is: http://forums.matronics.com Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:59 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Test post Mat -> Eur From: "SteveD" --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" This is a test post to see what happens when I post on MatronicsForum shadowed by the Listserver imported to EuropaOwners. Hopefully the internet won't imploded in a ball of cold fusion. [Shocked] Just to poke the bear with a pointy stick, I think I'll add an attachment... Hopefully this will all work out. "Now I have become Vishnu, the destroyer of Forums." Chat Later, Steved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=2369#2369 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/test_713.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Test post Mat -> Eur From: "SteveD" --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" The crises is over, the incredible roundabout, convoluted, torturous path has been walked, and all is well. :lol: Sleep well, Steved ---------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:48 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: glass fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Paul: I filled all gaps. Prior to installing the screens I beveled all the edges in the airstream as they are proud of the window frames. The filler then tapered up nicely to the profile of the window. Per suggestion of the Phoenix composits guys the interface between the plexi and the fiberglass door frame was covered with 2 layers of the lightest fiberglass cloth available. They noted that this prevents the appearance of a small crack in the paint at this interface after extended time in service. Steve Hagar A 143 Mesa AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Paul Stewart > To: > Date: 1/9/2006 2:29:22 PM > Subject: Europa-List: glass fitting > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart > > After fitting the door and front screens with a 1mm gap in the rebate, > do we then leave the gap or have folk filled it with filler? > > REgards > > Paul Stewart > > G-GIDY > > > > > > >