---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/13/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:55 AM - Sectionals On-Line () 2. 11:35 AM - Re: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? (G-IANI) 3. 12:31 PM - Re: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? (GLENN CROWDER) 4. 01:03 PM - Auto Pilot (Jeff B) 5. 01:21 PM - Re: gear lock down (N914RB) 6. 01:34 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (Peter Rees) 7. 02:09 PM - Tri gear speed fairings (Paul Boulet) 8. 03:46 PM - Re: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? (Mike Parkin) 9. 04:50 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (Bruce) 10. 07:47 PM - Re: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? (GLENN CROWDER) 11. 08:23 PM - Re: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? (Steve Crimm) 12. 08:42 PM - Re: Auto Pilot (Rman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Sectionals On-Line From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Check Out Sectionals On-Line: http://skyvector.com/ Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:54 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" Ron Just got round to reading your e-mail and it night help for you to know the following. The black tube supplied by Europa is 6mm, not 1/4 inch. It is this size because that is the correct size for the master cylinder fitting. The fittings used at the wheel cylinders are the 1/4 inch (you can get them from A/C Spruce) and they do seal with the 6mm pipe (but it is easy to pull the tube out of the fitting). The 1/4 Nylaflow is very good and is now standard on the finger brake trigear which uses a different master cylinder with 1/4 connections. I understand that it is difficult/impossible to get a good seal to the mono and foot brake trigear master cylinder/s with the 1/4 inch tube. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:11 PM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Cc: gcrowder2@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" I didn't like the brake feel with the Nylaflow tubing on my monowheel. I switched to the steel braided hose and improved the brake force to the brake noticeably. With the Mono, you need all the brake force you can muster! Glenn >From: "G-IANI" >To: >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:34:51 -0000 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" > >Ron > >Just got round to reading your e-mail and it night help for you to know the >following. > >The black tube supplied by Europa is 6mm, not 1/4 inch. It is this size >because that is the correct size for the master cylinder fitting. The >fittings used at the wheel cylinders are the 1/4 inch (you can get them >from >A/C Spruce) and they do seal with the 6mm pipe (but it is easy to pull the >tube out of the fitting). > >The 1/4 Nylaflow is very good and is now standard on the finger brake >trigear which uses a different master cylinder with 1/4 connections. > >I understand that it is difficult/impossible to get a good seal to the mono >and foot brake trigear master cylinder/s with the 1/4 inch tube. > >Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear >Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) >e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk > or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:58 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Europa-List: Auto Pilot --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B Does anyone have any experience with the Trio Avionics (http://www.trioavionics.com)EZ Pilot and their Altitude Hold system? All input is appreciated... Jeff - N55XS 130 hours -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:28 PM PST US From: "N914RB" Subject: RE: Europa-List: gear lock down --> Europa-List message posted by: "N914RB" If you have a photo I'd sure appreciate it. I'm having trouble picturing what exactly you're slipping the pin into. Thanks, Dan >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- >server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RK Hallett III >Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:24 PM >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: gear lock down > >--> Europa-List message posted by: RK Hallett III > >Dan, >I couldn't stand the risk of that lock being moved and the gear coming >up. So, for on the ground operations I put a 1/4" dia x 2 1/4" pip pin >in front of the gear lever, across the tunnel/slot, which prevents the >gear being moved, period, no oops, nada. Old habits from the Navy and >jets... die hard. > >Ralph > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:40 PM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Auto Pilot --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" Hi Jeff We have a trio EZ Pilot fitted to Hotel India. Very pleased with it indeed. Can't speak highly enough of the service - We have a somewhat obscure (though very good) GPS which has a slightly different data stream than the normal NEMA standard. We sent our GPS back from the UK and Chuck wrote some special firmware for us (and even paid the return carriage) - took less than a week. The servo they supply is the navaids one. When ours arrived, its quality was rubbish!!!Ours had a tight point which required quite a bit of 'fettling' for me to sort. Also, the feedback pot is mounted on a plate which is too thin meaning that the gear on the feedback pot doesn't mesh tightly and thus the servo hunts (well it did until I fitted a thicker plate and got rid of the plastic mounting screws). The endstop screw and those which hold the output crank arm are also rubbish (so, quite well made really!!) - the screws are a different thread from the nylocks into which they should engage if they were long enough! The Trio head weighs in at about 4oz and comes with a variety of hardware for mounting and electrical connections. I'd certainly recommend the unit (though from what I hear, the TruTrack servo may be of much better quality out of the box - the navaid servo is fine once you've ironed out the bugs that are shipped with it). I've not had the chance to see / play with their alt hold (and hydrocarbon fuel would be long since have ceased to be available by the time the PFA approved the fitting of the unit). Peter ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:35 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: Tri gear speed fairings --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet As I've converted my mono wheel to a tri gear I'm looking to sell my speed kit and buy fairings for my tri gear. If anyone can help please contact me off line. Thanks Paul Boulet, N914PB do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:19 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" Glen, I fitted a stick mounted master cylinder to my mono. It is really good and has all the braking power necessary. One finger is all that is necessary. I can recommend the stick mounted brake - the only drawback is - no brake available to the right seat. Not a problem for me really, I don't trust many people with my aircraft anyway. regards, Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GLENN CROWDER" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" > > I didn't like the brake feel with the Nylaflow tubing on my monowheel. > I switched to the steel braided hose and improved the brake force > to the brake noticeably. With the Mono, you need all the brake force > you can muster! > > Glenn ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:34 PM PST US From: "Bruce" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Auto Pilot --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce" Hi Jeff (and others), I thought I'd mention that although Trio continues to support the Navaid servo (which may appeal to those who already have a Navaid Autopilot installed), they currently ship a much more robust and sophisticated digital servo which they call the Trio Gold Standard Servo. Bruce XS142 Tracy, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Rees Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:33 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Auto Pilot --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" Hi Jeff We have a trio EZ Pilot fitted to Hotel India. Very pleased with it indeed. Can't speak highly enough of the service - We have a somewhat obscure (though very good) GPS which has a slightly different data stream than the normal NEMA standard. We sent our GPS back from the UK and Chuck wrote some special firmware for us (and even paid the return carriage) - took less than a week. The servo they supply is the navaids one. When ours arrived, its quality was rubbish!!!Ours had a tight point which required quite a bit of 'fettling' for me to sort. Also, the feedback pot is mounted on a plate which is too thin meaning that the gear on the feedback pot doesn't mesh tightly and thus the servo hunts (well it did until I fitted a thicker plate and got rid of the plastic mounting screws). The endstop screw and those which hold the output crank arm are also rubbish (so, quite well made really!!) - the screws are a different thread from the nylocks into which they should engage if they were long enough! The Trio head weighs in at about 4oz and comes with a variety of hardware for mounting and electrical connections. I'd certainly recommend the unit (though from what I hear, the TruTrack servo may be of much better quality out of the box - the navaid servo is fine once you've ironed out the bugs that are shipped with it). I've not had the chance to see / play with their alt hold (and hydrocarbon fuel would be long since have ceased to be available by the time the PFA approved the fitting of the unit). Peter ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:30 PM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Cc: gcrowder2@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" Hey Mike! I also have a stick mounted brake lever with a cable going to the master cyl on the firewall. Maybe I would change over to the way you are doing it. Which master cyl and brake handle setup are you using? Thanks! Glenn >From: "Mike Parkin" >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:44:55 -0000 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" > > >Glen, > >I fitted a stick mounted master cylinder to my mono. It is really good and >has all the braking power necessary. One finger is all that is necessary. >I can recommend the stick mounted brake - the only drawback is - no brake >available to the right seat. Not a problem for me really, I don't trust >many people with my aircraft anyway. > >regards, > >Mike. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "GLENN CROWDER" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:29 PM >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" > > > > > I didn't like the brake feel with the Nylaflow tubing on my monowheel. > > I switched to the steel braided hose and improved the brake force > > to the brake noticeably. With the Mono, you need all the brake force > > you can muster! > > > > Glenn > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:37 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" Pictures....please Steve Crimm N42AH A058 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 18:45 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" --> Glen, I fitted a stick mounted master cylinder to my mono. It is really good and has all the braking power necessary. One finger is all that is necessary. I can recommend the stick mounted brake - the only drawback is - no brake available to the right seat. Not a problem for me really, I don't trust many people with my aircraft anyway. regards, Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GLENN CROWDER" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nylaflow OK for Monowheel? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" > > I didn't like the brake feel with the Nylaflow tubing on my monowheel. > I switched to the steel braided hose and improved the brake force > to the brake noticeably. With the Mono, you need all the brake force > you can muster! > > Glenn ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:21 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Auto Pilot --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman Peter and Bruce, Thanks for your replys. I'm impressed with the information I've been able to gather on the EZ pilot and am aware of the new servos. Thinking very hard about installing the unit, then, later the alt hold. According to their website, there are some upgrades, in the works, that will do decents and ascents that can be programmed into the unit. Now that would be nice. When the 396 says vertical speed profile 500 fpm, just push a button and the unit takes you down to pattern altitude, automatically. Oops, I think I just talked myself in to it... ;) Jeff - N55XS 130 hours and still grinning... Bruce wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce" > > Hi Jeff (and others), > > I thought I'd mention that although Trio continues to support the Navaid > servo (which may appeal to those who already have a Navaid Autopilot > installed), they currently ship a much more robust and sophisticated digital > servo which they call the Trio Gold Standard Servo. > > Bruce > XS142 > Tracy, CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Rees > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:33 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Auto Pilot > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" > > > Hi Jeff > > We have a trio EZ Pilot fitted to Hotel India. Very pleased with it > indeed. > Can't speak highly enough of the service - We have a somewhat obscure > (though very good) GPS which has a slightly different data stream than > the > normal NEMA standard. We sent our GPS back from the UK and Chuck wrote > some > special firmware for us (and even paid the return carriage) - took less > than > a week. > > The servo they supply is the navaids one. When ours arrived, its quality > was > rubbish!!!Ours had a tight point which required quite a bit of > 'fettling' > for me to sort. Also, the feedback pot is mounted on a plate which is > too > thin meaning that the gear on the feedback pot doesn't mesh tightly and > thus > the servo hunts (well it did until I fitted a thicker plate and got rid > of > the plastic mounting screws). The endstop screw and those which hold the > output crank arm are also rubbish (so, quite well made really!!) - the > screws are a different thread from the nylocks into which they should > engage > if they were long enough! > > The Trio head weighs in at about 4oz and comes with a variety of > hardware > for mounting and electrical connections. > > I'd certainly recommend the unit (though from what I hear, the TruTrack > servo may be of much better quality out of the box - the navaid servo is > fine once you've ironed out the bugs that are shipped with it). > > I've not had the chance to see / play with their alt hold (and > hydrocarbon > fuel would be long since have ceased to be available by the time the PFA > approved the fitting of the unit). > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >