Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:08 PM - Re: Cooling pictures (karelvranken)
2. 03:51 PM - Digitrack (Paul McAllister)
3. 04:54 PM - Tailwheel Spacer (Steve Crimm)
4. 05:28 PM - Re: Wing skin separation HELP (Andrew Sarangan)
5. 05:29 PM - Re: Tailwheel Spacer ()
6. 06:07 PM - Re: Tailwheel Spacer (scrimm)
7. 06:22 PM - Re: Wing skin separation HELP (William Daniell)
8. 06:40 PM - Re: Cooling pictures (Cliff Shaw)
9. 09:52 PM - Monowheel Starter switch ()
10. 10:00 PM - Left side panel extension ()
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling pictures |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Cliff,
You know that I am impressed by your photografic talent and contribution to
the europaowners photo gallery. As far as I can see you did'nt execute the
extra circular inlet in the lower cowl for the fibre cowl around the
cylinders of the 912S engine that you installed. Do you have any special
reason for this different view.
Our inspectors work with the manual.
Karel Vranken #447 monowheel XS F-PKRL Airmaster CSU.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:31 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Cooling pictures
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
Digitrack have brought out a model that will operate a Navaids servo and I
am thinking of changing mine out.
The problem I have is that when I transmit it looses its heading for a
while. If I transmit for long enough it will drop a wing by 45 degrees. I
have tried all the modifications suggested by Navaids so I at the point of
giving up on it.
I was wondering if I could get some feedback from folks that are using a
Digitrack. It seems to have one limitation over the Navaids, it can't
accept analogue L/R signals. This means that I can longer couple it to my
localizer, which was very handy when flying approaches. My second concern
is that the Navaids has a trim function. Does the Digitrack automatically
compensate for level flight, or am I going to have to put in some elevator
trim ?
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Tailwheel Spacer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
It appears that the spacers on my aircrafts tailwheel were not installed.
On page 32M-11 it shows the3/8 th inch bolt that passes through the tail
wheel as 4.5 inches in length. Mine is 4 inches and without spacers. I
want to fix this so that it is correct and will be better secured on my
trailer as well as when I use my tailwheel dolly/towbar.
My question is what are the dimensions for the spacers and washers that go
on either side of the tailwheel? Also is there a torque value for this when
I put it back together?
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
N42AH
A058
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| Subject: | Wing skin separation HELP |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
I doubt you will be able to soften the Araldite without deforming the
top skin. I would not try to save the skin, but focus on saving the
bottom mating flange. If you lose that flange, life could get more
difficult. One option is to cut through the top skin, and then grind
away the remaining portion bonded to the flange.
My feeling is that the reinforcement plies can't be all that critical
to warrant compromising the entire integrity of the wing. I would
proceed with the construction and evaluate the options as the projects
gets closer to the end.
I decided a long time ago not to bond the top skin until the aircraft
is almost ready to fly. Bonding the skin does not take a lot of time,
and you never know what you might want to install at the last minute.
It is better to keep the options open as long as possible.
--- William Daniell <wdaniell@etb.net.co> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell"
> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
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> I guess I had better 'fess up.
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> I did the reinforcements 0/90 instead of 45deg. And then adding
> really dumb
> behaviour to stupidity, I closed the wings out and then realized what
> I had
> done...
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> I talked to andy about this and he said that the general opinion was
> to open
> up and do them again. He suggested heat and wished me luck! He was
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> nice about it
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> I am currently trying to heat up the skins to loosen the Araldite but
> I am
> getting the distinct feeling that I will end up without useful skins
> and
> with damage to the underneath structure. So I fear than unless
> anyone has a
> bright I idea that new skins are the order of the day. Expensive.
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> So any ideas or help gratefully received. Anyone got a spare pair of
> skins
> - or perhaps someone who changed standard wings for glider wings?
>
> Will
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> R.C.Harrison
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 17:51
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing skin separation HELP
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
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> Will.....
> Which kind of wings Foam or the later XS skinned wings and what area
> /what error are you trying to fix?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru3300
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> Daniell
> Sent: 14 January 2006 21:36
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Wing skin separation HELP
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell"
> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
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> I have made an error in construction in the interior of the wings and
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Andrew Sarangan
http://www.sarangan.org
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| Subject: | Tailwheel Spacer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Steve
Give me a chance to look. I changed my tailwheel to a sealed bearing one
and may have the original bolt and spacers. You can have them if I do.
Tom Friedland
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Tailwheel Spacer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
--> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
It appears that the spacers on my aircrafts tailwheel were not installed. On
page 32M-11 it shows the3/8 th inch bolt that passes through the tail wheel
as 4.5 inches in length. Mine is 4 inches and without spacers. I want to
fix this so that it is correct and will be better secured on my trailer as
well as when I use my tailwheel dolly/towbar.
My question is what are the dimensions for the spacers and washers that go
on either side of the tailwheel? Also is there a torque value for this when
I put it back together?
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
N42AH
A058
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| Subject: | RE: Tailwheel Spacer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "scrimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Tom,
Who said Christmas didn't come in January.
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Wing skin separation HELP |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Agreed - now - but too late!
Destruction of top skin started! You are right - I am more comfor4table
with grinding off the top skin than trying to heat release the araldite for
the reasons you give.
However I suspect (now that I know about the construction of the wing skins
in some detail) that the wings skins play an important role in stiffening
the wings and therefore the incidence should be set with the upper skin in
place.
Having said that I have no basis for this whatever.
Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 20:26
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing skin separation HELP
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
I doubt you will be able to soften the Araldite without deforming the
top skin. I would not try to save the skin, but focus on saving the
bottom mating flange. If you lose that flange, life could get more
difficult. One option is to cut through the top skin, and then grind
away the remaining portion bonded to the flange.
My feeling is that the reinforcement plies can't be all that critical
to warrant compromising the entire integrity of the wing. I would
proceed with the construction and evaluate the options as the projects
gets closer to the end.
I decided a long time ago not to bond the top skin until the aircraft
is almost ready to fly. Bonding the skin does not take a lot of time,
and you never know what you might want to install at the last minute.
It is better to keep the options open as long as possible.
--- William Daniell <wdaniell@etb.net.co> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell"
> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> I guess I had better 'fess up.
>
> I did the reinforcements 0/90 instead of 45deg. And then adding
> really dumb
> behaviour to stupidity, I closed the wings out and then realized what
> I had
> done...
>
> I talked to andy about this and he said that the general opinion was
> to open
> up and do them again. He suggested heat and wished me luck! He was
> very
> nice about it
>
> I am currently trying to heat up the skins to loosen the Araldite but
> I am
> getting the distinct feeling that I will end up without useful skins
> and
> with damage to the underneath structure. So I fear than unless
> anyone has a
> bright I idea that new skins are the order of the day. Expensive.
>
> So any ideas or help gratefully received. Anyone got a spare pair of
> skins
> - or perhaps someone who changed standard wings for glider wings?
>
> Will
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> R.C.Harrison
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 17:51
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing skin separation HELP
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Will.....
> Which kind of wings Foam or the later XS skinned wings and what area
> /what error are you trying to fix?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru3300
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> Daniell
> Sent: 14 January 2006 21:36
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Wing skin separation HELP
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell"
> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
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> I have made an error in construction in the interior of the wings and
> very
> cleverly close then (with the error inside).
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> So now I have to open them again.
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> Any ideas anyone?
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> Thanks
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> Will
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Andrew Sarangan
http://www.sarangan.org
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling pictures |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Karel
You know, I have never see that big round hole in anyone's cowling ! It was not
in the book when we built our first Europa, A131. When I saw it in my manual,
A229, I could not believe it. For the life of me, I don't see what good it
does. We did not need in on Bob's "Beep Beep" Europa so I decided not to do it
(that is one of the freedoms we enjoy over here on the left side). Besides,
it looks ugly !
Thanks for the nice comments about my pictures. I try and some times I succeed.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
As far as I can see you did'nt execute the
extra circular inlet in the lower cowl for the fibre cowl around the
cylinders of the 912S engine that you installed. Do you have any special
reason for this different view.
Our inspectors work with the manual.
Karel Vranken #447 monowheel XS F-PKRL Airmaster CSU.
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| Subject: | Monowheel Starter switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
We have a ACS ignition switch without a starter contact.
It seems that a extra hand may be useful when starting a monowheel.
Anyone come up with placement of starter switch that does not require
using a hand?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Message 10
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| Subject: | Left side panel extension |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Our panel is coming along, now populated with major components laid out to
our liking.
Instead of haphazardly squeezing in switches, fuses and breakers, we are
thinking about leaving panel clean and adding a lower panel extension on
the left side.
It seems that 1 inch can be extended downwards the full width (~15"), and
6" in the center can be extended downwards 3 plus inches.
Has anyone done this?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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