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1. 01:37 AM - Re: Cooling pictures (John Cliff)
2. 01:54 AM - Re: Left side panel extension (Richard Holder)
3. 01:58 AM - Re: Left side panel extension (Paul Stewart)
4. 03:29 AM - Re: Wing skin separation HELP (Roger Sheridan)
5. 03:45 AM - Re: Wing skin separation HELP (William Daniell)
6. 04:56 AM - Re: Monowheel Starter switch (Pete Lawless)
7. 06:20 AM - Re: Carb heat mod (willie harrison)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Carb heat mod (Jack Heijboer)
9. 08:03 AM - Re: Monowheel Starter switch ()
10. 08:21 AM - monowheel trailer (klaas de Geus)
11. 08:43 AM - Re: Monowheel Starter switch (Paul McAllister)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: Carb heat mod (Jeremy Davey)
13. 08:58 AM - Re: Carb heat mod (Richard Holder)
14. 10:02 AM - Re: Carb heat mod (Terry Seaver (terrys))
15. 10:27 AM - Re: Monowheel Starter switch (Fred Fillinger)
16. 11:05 AM - Carb heat mod and Avgas question (willie harrison)
17. 11:14 AM - Re: Monowheel Starter switch (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden)
18. 12:17 PM - Re: Lord motor mount replacement (Bryan Allsop)
19. 06:30 PM - Re: Carb heat mod (SPurpura@AOL.COM)
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Subject: | Re: Cooling pictures |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@jcliff.waitrose.com>
> As far as I can see you did'nt execute the
> extra circular inlet in the lower cowl for the fibre cowl around the
> cylinders of the 912S engine that you installed. Do you have any special
> reason for this different view.
Some 912S engines were (are?) supplied with the extra glass shroud around
the cylinders and some weren't. If you have it then the extra hole is
clearly needed, though it isn't very beautiful. If not, then there's no
point.
John Cliff
#0259
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Subject: | Re: Left side panel extension |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Our panel is coming along, now populated with major components laid out to
> our liking.
>
> Instead of haphazardly squeezing in switches, fuses and breakers, we are
> thinking about leaving panel clean and adding a lower panel extension on
> the left side.
>
> It seems that 1 inch can be extended downwards the full width (~15"), and
> 6" in the center can be extended downwards 3 plus inches.
>
> Has anyone done this?
Like this ?
You need to decide the positions of everything BEFORE you
cut anything !
Richard Holder
G-OWWW Classic tri-Gear High Cross 160 hours
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Subject: | Re: Left side panel extension |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Ron
We certainly extended the panel to accommodate the BMA EFIS 1. I don't
quite know how it compares to your dimensions. The upper panel needed
enlarging both above and below thus dropping the switch panel down. The
top of the module was difficult but the rest was straight forward. There
are some pics at http://www.europaowners.org inthe gallery.
Regards
paul
G-GIDY
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Subject: | Re: Wing skin separation HELP |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Sheridan <rogerjohnsheridan@yahoo.co.uk>
I heard a good saying on the radio today:
"Anyone who never made a mistake, never made anything"
Good luck!
Rog S
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Subject: | Wing skin separation HELP |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Thanks - Will
PS maybe I was just dumb enough to confess!
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 06:26
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing skin separation HELP
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Sheridan
<rogerjohnsheridan@yahoo.co.uk>
I heard a good saying on the radio today:
"Anyone who never made a mistake, never made anything"
Good luck!
Rog S
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Subject: | Monowheel Starter switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Ron
My mono starts fine with just 2 hands, one to hold the choke out and the
other to press the starter button. What is the third hand for? Or do
you not have a parking brake?
Pete
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rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: 18 January 2006 05:48
Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Starter switch
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
We have a ACS ignition switch without a starter contact.
It seems that a extra hand may be useful when starting a monowheel.
Anyone come up with placement of starter switch that does not require
using a hand?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
What experience does anyone else have of carb icing on Rotax powered
Europas? I had thought that the standard set up was supposed to be
largely immune but I encountered some serious icing yesterday. In the
cruise at 5,200 rpm, 5000 feet, outside air temp approx zero, in clear
air above broken cloud. First of all there was a steady loss of rpm to
4.800 at the same throttle setting and then when full power was applied
for 30 seconds there were two "kerthumps", presumably as the two carbs
lobbed their two ice cubes into the engine. Fuel is 100% avgas. Coolant
and oil were both running at approx 80C.
The only thing I can think of which is non standard with the way mine is
built is that the inlet air filter has been re-positioned to be directly
in line with the NACA inlet so there is no chance for the inlet air to
swirl around under the cowlings to pick up some heat. Has anyone else
heard of this mod?
What is anyone's experience with carb heaters on this engine?
Cheers
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY - now piling on the hours after some grim teething troubles....
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jack Heijboer" <j.heijboer@vmij.nl>
Willie,
Would be nice to know which type of rotax you are refering too.
Regards jack H
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens willie harrison
Verzonden: woensdag 18 januari 2006 15:18
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Onderwerp: RE: Europa-List: Carb heat mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
What experience does anyone else have of carb icing on Rotax powered
Europas? I had thought that the standard set up was supposed to be
largely immune but I encountered some serious icing yesterday. In the
cruise at 5,200 rpm, 5000 feet, outside air temp approx zero, in clear
air above broken cloud. First of all there was a steady loss of rpm to
4.800 at the same throttle setting and then when full power was applied
for 30 seconds there were two "kerthumps", presumably as the two carbs
lobbed their two ice cubes into the engine. Fuel is 100% avgas. Coolant
and oil were both running at approx 80C.
The only thing I can think of which is non standard with the way mine is
built is that the inlet air filter has been re-positioned to be directly
in line with the NACA inlet so there is no chance for the inlet air to
swirl around under the cowlings to pick up some heat. Has anyone else
heard of this mod?
What is anyone's experience with carb heaters on this engine?
Cheers
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY - now piling on the hours after some grim teething troubles....
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Subject: | Monowheel Starter switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Thx. for the reply.
No official parking brake, I was going to try the wedge approach.
Even with the parking brake applied, I figured it may be useful to have a
free hand when starting in cold, or with a finikey motor on a hot start,
to begin cranking with mags off, then turn on either 1 or 2 ignitions to
help with preventing kickbacks.
May be a non issue with 914 and HD starter, but figured now is the time to
scheme?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
"My mono starts fine with just 2 hands, one to hold the choke out and the
> other to press the starter button. What is the third hand for? Or do
> you not have a parking brake?"
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Subject: | monowheel trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "klaas de Geus" <kl.degeus@quicknet.nl>
Hi europa builders
I am getting close to the first flight and have to think about a trailer.
At this moment I am working on the instruments and the upholstery.
Does anyone knows a used trailer for sale?
Thank you very much.
From: K. de Geus
PH GES
Monowheel 912S
Netherlands
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Subject: | Monowheel Starter switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ron,
Given what I know now, I probably would install a parking brake. Starting
the aircraft isn't the only time you need to lock your brakes.
It's not uncommon to be in a situation where you have to stop where the
ground isn't level. For example when I taxi up for fuel at my airport it
apron isn't level and the aircraft rolls.
Paul
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel Starter switch
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Thx. for the reply.
No official parking brake, I was going to try the wedge approach.
Even with the parking brake applied, I figured it may be useful to have a
free hand when starting in cold, or with a finikey motor on a hot start,
to begin cranking with mags off, then turn on either 1 or 2 ignitions to
help with preventing kickbacks.
May be a non issue with 914 and HD starter, but figured now is the time to
scheme?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
"My mono starts fine with just 2 hands, one to hold the choke out and the
> other to press the starter button. What is the third hand for? Or do
> you not have a parking brake?"
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Willie,
It's my understanding that carb icing is not a problem on Rotaxes
_with_heated_carbs_. I've certainly heard of problems on Rotaxes with no
carb heat. There are two ways I know of of doing this - one is sold over
here in the UK by the Rotax agents Skydrive and uses the engine coolant to
heat the carb body, the other uses electrical heating of the carb body (I
think a recent issue of Popular Flying had details).
Note that neither uses heating of the induction air! Hence there is no power
loss and they are usually permanently engaged.
I hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
lack of workshop
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of willie harrison
Sent: 18 January 2006 14:18
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb heat mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison"
--> <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
What experience does anyone else have of carb icing on Rotax powered
Europas? I had thought that the standard set up was supposed to be largely
immune but I encountered some serious icing yesterday. In the cruise at
5,200 rpm, 5000 feet, outside air temp approx zero, in clear air above
broken cloud. First of all there was a steady loss of rpm to 4.800 at the
same throttle setting and then when full power was applied for 30 seconds
there were two "kerthumps", presumably as the two carbs lobbed their two ice
cubes into the engine. Fuel is 100% avgas. Coolant and oil were both running
at approx 80C.
The only thing I can think of which is non standard with the way mine is
built is that the inlet air filter has been re-positioned to be directly in
line with the NACA inlet so there is no chance for the inlet air to swirl
around under the cowlings to pick up some heat. Has anyone else heard of
this mod?
What is anyone's experience with carb heaters on this engine?
Cheers
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY - now piling on the hours after some grim teething troubles....
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Subject: | Re: Carb heat mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Jeremy Davey wrote:
> It's my understanding that carb icing is not a problem
> on Rotaxes _with_heated_carbs_. I've certainly heard of
> problems on Rotaxes with no carb heat. There are two
> ways I know of of doing this - one is sold over here in
> the UK by the Rotax agents Skydrive and uses the engine
> coolant to heat the carb body, the other uses
> electrical heating of the carb body (I think a recent
> issue of Popular Flying had details).
The one in Popular Flying has not been approved as a Mod yet !
My 912S with the carb heaters still gave some symptoms of
carb ice when the water temperature wasn't high enough.
> Note that neither uses heating of the induction air!
> Hence there is no power loss and they are usually
> permanently engaged.
There is a third way. On the Polish AT3 visible at North
Weald, which I had some dealings with, the 912S has a full
carb air heat system installed along with a cabin heater
(using the exhaust silencer [muffler] warmth).
Now that I woud like on a brrrrr freezing day up there !
Richard
Tri-gear G-OWWW High Cross
WIth oil thermostat fitted waiting fro a flyable day to test !
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi,
We have a mono-wheel XS with 912S and Skydrive carb heaters. We
initially left the carb heat on all the time, but found it can cause hot
starting problems if left on prior to shutdown. We then installed a
water valve to the heaters, turning the carb heat on only when needed.
Since then we have had carb ice on the ground and in the air. In all
cases, the carb ice went away immediately after turning the heat back
on.
We also found, through careful testing, that there is indeed no loss
of power with the carb heat on.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of willie
harrison
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb heat mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison"
--> <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
What experience does anyone else have of carb icing on Rotax powered
Europas? I had thought that the standard set up was supposed to be
largely immune but I encountered some serious icing yesterday. In the
cruise at 5,200 rpm, 5000 feet, outside air temp approx zero, in clear
air above broken cloud. First of all there was a steady loss of rpm to
4.800 at the same throttle setting and then when full power was applied
for 30 seconds there were two "kerthumps", presumably as the two carbs
lobbed their two ice cubes into the engine. Fuel is 100% avgas. Coolant
and oil were both running at approx 80C.
The only thing I can think of which is non standard with the way mine is
built is that the inlet air filter has been re-positioned to be directly
in line with the NACA inlet so there is no chance for the inlet air to
swirl around under the cowlings to pick up some heat. Has anyone else
heard of this mod?
What is anyone's experience with carb heaters on this engine?
Cheers
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY - now piling on the hours after some grim teething troubles....
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Starter switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
> Even with the parking brake applied, I figured it may be useful
> to have a free hand when starting in cold, or with a finikey motor....
An awful long time ago, cars had a foot switch for the starter. Wild
suggestion or not, how you jury-rigged this wouldn't matter, as it would
be out of sight. Making your plane virtually theft-proof.
For 100% theft-proofing, use a reed switch. Then install one of them
little, super-powerful neodymium magnets in your shoe. Perhaps then an
insurance discount, like with cars today?
Reg,
Fred F.
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Subject: | Carb heat mod and Avgas question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
Many thanks for all replies so far.
Jack, to answer your question, mine has a 912 ULS, vintage 2002.
Also, Leaving aside the cost difference between mogas and avgas, what
views does anyone have on their relative merits. I'm aware of Rotax'
recommendation to stick to Mogas.
Safe Flying !
Willie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Heijboer
Sent: 18 January 2006 15:45
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb heat mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jack Heijboer" <j.heijboer@vmij.nl>
Willie,
Would be nice to know which type of rotax you are refering too.
Regards jack H
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Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens willie harrison
Verzonden: woensdag 18 januari 2006 15:18
Aan: europa-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Europa-List: Carb heat mod
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison"
<willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
What experience does anyone else have of carb icing on Rotax powered
Europas? I had thought that the standard set up was supposed to be
largely immune but I encountered some serious icing yesterday. In the
cruise at 5,200 rpm, 5000 feet, outside air temp approx zero, in clear
air above broken cloud. First of all there was a steady loss of rpm to
4.800 at the same throttle setting and then when full power was applied
for 30 seconds there were two "kerthumps", presumably as the two carbs
lobbed their two ice cubes into the engine. Fuel is 100% avgas. Coolant
and oil were both running at approx 80C.
The only thing I can think of which is non standard with the way mine is
built is that the inlet air filter has been re-positioned to be directly
in line with the NACA inlet so there is no chance for the inlet air to
swirl around under the cowlings to pick up some heat. Has anyone else
heard of this mod?
What is anyone's experience with carb heaters on this engine?
Cheers
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY - now piling on the hours after some grim teething troubles....
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Starter switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
Novel idea, just don't wear them on a day when you are flying commercial
airlines.
Vaughn T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Starter switch
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
>> Even with the parking brake applied, I figured it may be useful
>> to have a free hand when starting in cold, or with a finikey motor....
>
> An awful long time ago, cars had a foot switch for the starter. Wild
> suggestion or not, how you jury-rigged this wouldn't matter, as it would
> be out of sight. Making your plane virtually theft-proof.
>
> For 100% theft-proofing, use a reed switch. Then install one of them
> little, super-powerful neodymium magnets in your shoe. Perhaps then an
> insurance discount, like with cars today?
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Lord motor mount replacement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Regarding changing the engine mountings. I advise that you discuss this with
Andy before going ahead. I have just replaced my mountings after five year's
service. He has advised me not to go to softer alternatives. When Europa
tried it they discovered that the engine developed a noticeable sag after a
while.
They have developed an alternative design using the same bushes, but
reducing the compression by securing with slightly longer bolts and spacers.
Cheers Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:11 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Lord motor mount replacement
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Sam,
>
> You are going to have to make up 4 spacers 1.7" long out of .5" tube with
> an
> internal ID of .306" I seem to recall that the standard ones would not
> compress the Lord mounts enough when I made mine.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> SPurpura@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Lord motor mount replacement
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
>
> I am replacing the soft O-200 type Lord mounts with the stiffer ones
> supplied
> by Europa.
> Do any of you lister's know the length of the spacers in the FWF kit ?
> Thank's, Sam N77EU
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Carb heat mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
912 or 914 power?
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