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1. 07:34 AM - Re: Oil Thermostat (Nigel Graham)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? (Raimo Toivio)
3. 09:56 AM - Oil Thermostat (Richard Holder)
4. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? (Jeremy Davey)
5. 11:02 AM - Re: Transition training for XS Mono (GLENN CROWDER)
6. 01:51 PM - Re: Transition training for XS Mono (Paul Boulet)
7. 02:15 PM - Re: Cold starting problems (nigel charles)
8. 04:19 PM - oil thermostats (Graham Singleton)
9. 04:19 PM - A cry from the wilderness (Fergus Kyle)
10. 04:43 PM - Re: A cry from the wilderness (D Wysong)
11. 04:58 PM - Re: A cry from the wilderness ()
12. 07:39 PM - A Cry From The Wilderness (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: A cry from the wilderness (Fergus Kyle)
14. 09:45 PM - Re: oil thermostats (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Thermostat |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
H Richard
>Oil thermostat - 251 grams !
Yep....I'm holding my hands up. Thats much lighter than I expected.
>......"This is gonna run and run and run :-)"
No, I think we're about there now.
In your original posting of the 23rd, you were so unhappy that you were
contenplating taking your oil thermostat off and I agreed with you.
........My oil did not warm up quicker. ......
.....My feeling is that the waxstat in the thermostat is
opening too early
...... I am contemplating ripping the whole thing off ...........
and now you are arguing robustly in its defence. By a process of cunning
reverse psychology, I have persuaded you to keep it.
Nigel ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
All (on the northern hemisphere)!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Talked to Andy about winter operations the other day. He suggested that the
> Rotax is built with tolerances similar to an automobile engine and therefore
> really doesn't need preheated. After all, do you preheat your car?
>
Yes I really do! Always when below 0C. Also cockpit.
Main factors:
1) preheated engine gives instantly heat for cockpit
- safe: windows are immediately clean of ice and snow and no fog on them
- comfort: +20C leather feels better than -20C leather and less clothing
- health: no back injury for example
2) engine health: oil works immediately after start
3) fuel consumption: preheated car saves money
- thumb of rule: cold engine takes extra fuel 2 dl
or more in every cold start
4) pollution: less fuel - less pollution
- catalysator did not work until the engine is warm
5) time tables: preheated car starts "always" like under the palm tree
- if cold, have you enough el-power to start the stiff engine?
- you can drive immediately, no warm-upp moms
Sophisticated Engine Preheat Systems:
- electric resistance element in water w thermostat connected to mains
(typically 500W and 2 hrs pre-heating is enough for -20C)
- programable and radio remote controlled heating system,
burns petrol or diesel (Webasto, Ebersbacher...)
(typically 2-5kW and 20 minutes is enough, needs also electric 50W)
- also integrated battery pre-heating and charging systems
- heated car garage, if possible (!)
I have installed electric preheating system in my Rotax.
I will keep it on ALWAYS when below +10C (in or out).
It keeps also cockpit warm and dry (good for electronic bits).
I have also water thermostat and heat exchanger in oil system.
Cannot comment how they work - engine has not fire upp yet.
Regards, Raimo
===========
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 XS Mono, building hrs 1400 so far
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
OH-BLL Beech C45
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Nigel Graham wrote:
> H Richard
>> Oil thermostat - 251 grams !
> Yep....I'm holding my hands up. Thats much lighter than
> I expected.
>
>> ......"This is gonna run and run and run :-)"
> No, I think we're about there now. In your original
> posting of the 23rd, you were so unhappy that you were
> contenplating taking your oil thermostat off and I
> agreed with you.
>
> ........My oil did not warm up quicker. ...... .....My
> feeling is that the waxstat in the thermostat is
> opening too early ...... I am contemplating ripping the
> whole thing off ...........
>
> and now you are arguing robustly in its defence. By a
> process of cunning reverse psychology, I have persuaded
> you to keep it.
>
> Nigel ;-)
I don't do psychology - just practical :-) And hating to
be beaten, liking to know what is ACTUALLY happening.
The original intention in fitting the thermostat was
primarily to keep the oil temp up in the cruise (keeping
the oil out of the cooler) and as a secondary effect I
could uncover the oil cooler (1/2 covered up) which would
allow better cooling in the summer. I needed the oil temp
up in the winter to keep the water temp up so that the
carb heaters would work properly !
I flew it again today. It was only 4 degrees when I took
off ! On a hard climb to 2495 feet (LTMA at 2500) the oil
went up to 80 and didn't go above (although this wasn't a
really long enough test). I went to Stapleford for lunch
thinking that it would only have a short time to cool so
the oil would start hotter, but got lumbered with filling
in on Air-Ground for an hour so the oil HAD cooled).
In the cruise the oil temp went down to 60.
I have the coolers in the standard position now with no
baffling at all.
So I have come to the conclusion that in the cruise (25.5
MAP 4600 rpm) the engine just doesn't produce much heat -
not enough to keep the oil at 80. A little baffling on the
water radiator might generate more heat in that which
would then cross to the oil. More experiments to come.
Perhaps a half blocking of the air intake that feeds the
cylinder cooling shroud.
And what was different this time compared with last time
when the oil went to 95 in the climb ? The widening out of
the ports to 10 mm (in particular the one that goes to the
oil pump) meant that in the fully extended position the
waxstat wasn't blocking off the by-pass completely. So
that means that as the oil would MUCH prefer to bypass the
cooler rather than go through it, the oil wasn't getting
much (any ?) cooling and so the temp went up. So for today
I had modified the thermostat to give an extra 1.3 mm
movement, and although I didn't give it a conclusive test,
I think the thermostat is opening and achieving at least
the secondary effect.
This is all done of course in 4 degree weather and that is
not representative of the likely operating conditions in
the spring summer and fall (I mean autumn !)
So anyone who is contemplating putting on this thermostat
should chat with me first about how and where to widen out
the ports, before getting their drill out ! Just drilling
out all the ports to 10mm will mean that the thermostat
will always bypass the cooler - which would not be a good
thing !
Maybe the oil tank needs a nice woolly jacket (fireproof
of course) to retain the heat !
--
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Hold on Teimo - much of that I'd agree with, but not the bit on the
catalyst.
The catalytic converter does not work until it gets up to temperature (in
the hundreds of degrees), regardless of the initial temperature of the
engine. Preheating the engine will not reduce pollution by making the cat
work sooner - but it will reduce pollution some by reducing the length of
time the engine is running rich ("on choke").
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
lack of workshop
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 26 January 2006 15:57
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
All (on the northern hemisphere)!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Talked to Andy about winter operations the other day. He suggested that
the
> Rotax is built with tolerances similar to an automobile engine and
therefore
> really doesn't need preheated. After all, do you preheat your car?
>
Yes I really do! Always when below 0C. Also cockpit.
Main factors:
1) preheated engine gives instantly heat for cockpit
- safe: windows are immediately clean of ice and snow and no fog on them
- comfort: +20C leather feels better than -20C leather and less clothing
- health: no back injury for example
2) engine health: oil works immediately after start
3) fuel consumption: preheated car saves money
- thumb of rule: cold engine takes extra fuel 2 dl
or more in every cold start
4) pollution: less fuel - less pollution
- catalysator did not work until the engine is warm
5) time tables: preheated car starts "always" like under the palm tree
- if cold, have you enough el-power to start the stiff engine?
- you can drive immediately, no warm-upp moms
Sophisticated Engine Preheat Systems:
- electric resistance element in water w thermostat connected to mains
(typically 500W and 2 hrs pre-heating is enough for -20C)
- programable and radio remote controlled heating system,
burns petrol or diesel (Webasto, Ebersbacher...)
(typically 2-5kW and 20 minutes is enough, needs also electric 50W)
- also integrated battery pre-heating and charging systems
- heated car garage, if possible (!)
I have installed electric preheating system in my Rotax.
I will keep it on ALWAYS when below +10C (in or out).
It keeps also cockpit warm and dry (good for electronic bits).
I have also water thermostat and heat exchanger in oil system.
Cannot comment how they work - engine has not fire upp yet.
Regards, Raimo
===========
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 XS Mono, building hrs 1400 so far
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
OH-BLL Beech C45
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
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Cc: gcrowder2@hotmail.com
| Subject: | Transition training for XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Hey Craig! Well done on getting that XS done! I had an older EAA type
instructor/test
pilot test fly my Mono, and then check me out in it and do my tailwheel
endorsement.
He's a long time sailplane pilot and is not scared by the Mono at all.
He's still available and
could do all three with you in your Mono I'm sure. You could trailer your
plane down to
Denver and get daily lessons. I could also give you some right seat time in
my Mono.
I even have space for your plane in my hangar although it would have to be
left on the
trailer to fit. Might take a couple of trips if we ran into a stretch of
bad weather. You
might even have to suffer thru a few days skiing when it was too windy to
fly. Most mornings are calm even on the windy days but it was calm all day
yesterday.
I flew last night for an hour and it was dead calm. Today, the wind started
up at 9:00 AM
but its sunny and 55 F.
Before I found this guy, I was going to trailer my plane out to San Diego
and get checked
out with Kim Prout. Something to consider. Or you could get your test
flights done and
TW endorsement there and just trailer down for transition training. Cheers!
Glenn
>From: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Transition training for XS Mono
>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:39:50 -0800
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
><craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
>All,
>
>I am currently getting the finishing touches on N205CN which is XS Mono and
>soon will be ready for first flight. While finding someone to do the
>honors
>has been fairly stright forward, (Bob Lindsay has been very helpful and
>willing)finding a Mono to do transition training in has been impossible.
>So
>here is the question for the worldwide Europa family, Is there anyone out
>there(UK,NZ, US) that can help with transition training? Here in the US
>the
>only insurance for Europa requires 15hr duel and 10 hr solo before they'll
>cover and the FAA has closed off any transition training in the first 40hr
>of phase 1 testing. So efectively there is no coverage for the first 40hr
>unless one can get 15hr instruction beforehand. Insurance issues aside, I
>don't feel it would be wise to fly the Europa mono without some form of
>training due to its unique flying characteristics. I know some will say to
>give up on the mono and change it to a trike. Well that is an option and
>one that I might be forced to make but I would prefer not to if at all
>possible.
>
>Thanks for any and all help and or suggestions
>
>Craig Ellison
>A205/N205CN
>Silverton, OR USA
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:31 AM
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914, run fuel pump with no battery?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Yes this is how it works on my aircraft and I have tested it.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:43 AM
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914, run fuel pump with no battery?
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> >
> > Studying Rotax 914 schematic, the main fuel pump is wired to the B+ of
>the
> > regulator.
> >
> > It appears if you open the alternator output switch, they expect the
> > alternator could run the fuel pump with no battery in circuit and act as
>a
> > true redundant pump???
> >
> > Am I correct in my assumption that you could fly with a fuel pump
>running
> > off the alternator only with no battery connected?
> >
> > In this configuration with no battery at all, is the alternator self
> > exciting to get things going?
> >
> > Will testing often to make sure the pump will run in this configuration
>do
> > any harm to the regulator, alternator, pump or switch? Or should this be
> > used only in an emergency?
> >
> > They do have a 22000mF capacitor from B+ to ground.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thx.
> > Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Transition training for XS Mono |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi Glenn and all Europaphile wannabes;
Curtis McDonald is a fabulous inexpensive test pilot based in Chino but he'll travel-
has a plane at his disposal. Call him at (909) 518-6939 or better still
(since it takes him several days to return calls) email him camcdonald83@hotmail.com
Tell him I sent you,
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA
----- Original Message ----
From: GLENN CROWDER <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Cc: gcrowder2@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:01:27 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Transition training for XS Mono
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Hey Craig! Well done on getting that XS done! I had an older EAA type
instructor/test
pilot test fly my Mono, and then check me out in it and do my tailwheel
endorsement.
He's a long time sailplane pilot and is not scared by the Mono at all.
He's still available and
could do all three with you in your Mono I'm sure. You could trailer your
plane down to
Denver and get daily lessons. I could also give you some right seat time in
my Mono.
I even have space for your plane in my hangar although it would have to be
left on the
trailer to fit. Might take a couple of trips if we ran into a stretch of
bad weather. You
might even have to suffer thru a few days skiing when it was too windy to
fly. Most mornings are calm even on the windy days but it was calm all day
yesterday.
I flew last night for an hour and it was dead calm. Today, the wind started
up at 9:00 AM
but its sunny and 55 F.
Before I found this guy, I was going to trailer my plane out to San Diego
and get checked
out with Kim Prout. Something to consider. Or you could get your test
flights done and
TW endorsement there and just trailer down for transition training. Cheers!
Glenn
>From: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Transition training for XS Mono
>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:39:50 -0800
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
><craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
>
>All,
>
>I am currently getting the finishing touches on N205CN which is XS Mono and
>soon will be ready for first flight. While finding someone to do the
>honors
>has been fairly stright forward, (Bob Lindsay has been very helpful and
>willing)finding a Mono to do transition training in has been impossible.
>So
>here is the question for the worldwide Europa family, Is there anyone out
>there(UK,NZ, US) that can help with transition training? Here in the US
>the
>only insurance for Europa requires 15hr duel and 10 hr solo before they'll
>cover and the FAA has closed off any transition training in the first 40hr
>of phase 1 testing. So efectively there is no coverage for the first 40hr
>unless one can get 15hr instruction beforehand. Insurance issues aside, I
>don't feel it would be wise to fly the Europa mono without some form of
>training due to its unique flying characteristics. I know some will say to
>give up on the mono and change it to a trike. Well that is an option and
>one that I might be forced to make but I would prefer not to if at all
>possible.
>
>Thanks for any and all help and or suggestions
>
>Craig Ellison
>A205/N205CN
>Silverton, OR USA
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:31 AM
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914, run fuel pump with no battery?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Yes this is how it works on my aircraft and I have tested it.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:43 AM
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914, run fuel pump with no battery?
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> >
> > Studying Rotax 914 schematic, the main fuel pump is wired to the B+ of
>the
> > regulator.
> >
> > It appears if you open the alternator output switch, they expect the
> > alternator could run the fuel pump with no battery in circuit and act as
>a
> > true redundant pump???
> >
> > Am I correct in my assumption that you could fly with a fuel pump
>running
> > off the alternator only with no battery connected?
> >
> > In this configuration with no battery at all, is the alternator self
> > exciting to get things going?
> >
> > Will testing often to make sure the pump will run in this configuration
>do
> > any harm to the regulator, alternator, pump or switch? Or should this be
> > used only in an emergency?
> >
> > They do have a 22000mF capacitor from B+ to ground.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thx.
> > Ron Parigoris
> >
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| Subject: | Cold starting problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>One thing I had thought of trying was to fine off the prop - its about
18
degrees at the moment - maybe this is restricting the speed that the
starter
can turn the engine - Do you think this could be worth a try??<
I doubt whether there is a significant change in drag for various prop
settings at such low rpm.
Nigel
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>> But to look at the logic I'm not aware of oil
>> circulation being used to cool an engine so in most
>> applications ...
>
>
This, Bob, is complete rubbish. IMNSHO.
All engines with no water cooling always have an oil
cooler.
Because it is taking heat out of the engine !
I hope your statement was a typo !
Richard
Richard,
you are absolutely right. The only way to keep tyhe pistons cool is to sqirt or
splash oil at them.
Graham
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| Subject: | A cry from the wilderness |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I come to you again with another desparate moan. You
mustn't think my build is all frantic patching and hole-filling, but
occasionally a 'blip' occurs and in these moments of abject blackness I turn
to you, fellow buiilders - of the Classic persuasion.
Cast your mind back to the fabrication of the flap actuating
pushrod. Recall if you will the front end comprises a clevis fork which
connects with a pair of odd-shaped plates atop the starboard retracting arm.
It s does this with a cleis pin up in the musty recesses of the forward
tunnel area. The clevis pin is held in by a cotter pin. So is mine.
I inserted it, gave the cotter pin tails a perfunctory bend each
and marked the page with a red dot - to confirm that there was more to be
done before one could move on forever. This has been my practice from the
first in order to prove to my giggling inspector what a serious and
introspective little botherer I am.
Yes, you guessed it - the whole thing went together deliciously
months ago to my great personal pleasure. Ah, but lurking inside was the
missed red dot - the half assembled @#$%?& cotter pin. As you may imagine,
it now sits about 8 inches into the tunnel mouth, in the upper starboard
corner, with about one inch of free space around it.
We all know my inspector is going to discover this anomaly
within the first few moments of his scrutiny. Uncorrected, this travesty
will set a precedent for the remaining Search for Error routine and all my
mistakes will come tumbling into the sunshine. I am undone............
UNLESS of course I can bend the ends of this little @#$%?& into
the benign smile all cotter pins should display. Here's where you come in!
Out there in aeroplane-land lives a quiet contemplative genius with the
answer to my quandary. You have only to release his name - and my day is
made ( tel. number a bonus). OR if you are that person, I beg you to reveal
the secret that will free my ravaged soul.
I won't tell Inspector Grinch I cheated either.
Really,
Ferg
engine hanging nearby
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| Subject: | Re: A cry from the wilderness |
--> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Know any fishermen, Ferg?
http://tinyurl.com/b9gad
... or ...
http://tinyurl.com/bzk73
Good luck!
D
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Fergus Kyle wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Cheers,
> I come to you again with another desparate moan. You
> mustn't think my build is all frantic patching and hole-filling, but
> occasionally a 'blip' occurs and in these moments of abject blackness I turn
> to you, fellow buiilders - of the Classic persuasion.
> Cast your mind back to the fabrication of the flap actuating
> pushrod. Recall if you will the front end comprises a clevis fork which
> connects with a pair of odd-shaped plates atop the starboard retracting arm.
> It s does this with a cleis pin up in the musty recesses of the forward
> tunnel area. The clevis pin is held in by a cotter pin. So is mine.
> I inserted it, gave the cotter pin tails a perfunctory bend each
> and marked the page with a red dot - to confirm that there was more to be
> done before one could move on forever. This has been my practice from the
> first in order to prove to my giggling inspector what a serious and
> introspective little botherer I am.
> Yes, you guessed it - the whole thing went together deliciously
> months ago to my great personal pleasure. Ah, but lurking inside was the
> missed red dot - the half assembled @#$%?& cotter pin. As you may imagine,
> it now sits about 8 inches into the tunnel mouth, in the upper starboard
> corner, with about one inch of free space around it.
> We all know my inspector is going to discover this anomaly
> within the first few moments of his scrutiny. Uncorrected, this travesty
> will set a precedent for the remaining Search for Error routine and all my
> mistakes will come tumbling into the sunshine. I am undone............
> UNLESS of course I can bend the ends of this little @#$%?& into
> the benign smile all cotter pins should display. Here's where you come in!
> Out there in aeroplane-land lives a quiet contemplative genius with the
> answer to my quandary. You have only to release his name - and my day is
> made ( tel. number a bonus). OR if you are that person, I beg you to reveal
> the secret that will free my ravaged soul.
> I won't tell Inspector Grinch I cheated either.
> Really,
> Ferg
> engine hanging nearby
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| Subject: | A cry from the wilderness |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Ferg (or should I say Desperate Moan?)
I have a looong forceps maybe 10 to 11inches long that I can mail you that
might do the job. I can hear your moaning here 3000 miles away and it is
keeping up nights.
Tom Friedland N96V
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Europa-List: A cry from the wilderness
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I come to you again with another desparate moan. You
mustn't think my build is all frantic patching and hole-filling, but
occasionally a 'blip' occurs and in these moments of abject blackness I turn
to you, fellow buiilders - of the Classic persuasion.
Cast your mind back to the fabrication of the flap actuating
pushrod. Recall if you will the front end comprises a clevis fork which
connects with a pair of odd-shaped plates atop the starboard retracting arm.
It s does this with a cleis pin up in the musty recesses of the forward
tunnel area. The clevis pin is held in by a cotter pin. So is mine.
I inserted it, gave the cotter pin tails a perfunctory bend each
and marked the page with a red dot - to confirm that there was more to be
done before one could move on forever. This has been my practice from the
first in order to prove to my giggling inspector what a serious and
introspective little botherer I am.
Yes, you guessed it - the whole thing went together deliciously
months ago to my great personal pleasure. Ah, but lurking inside was the
missed red dot - the half assembled @#$%?& cotter pin. As you may imagine,
it now sits about 8 inches into the tunnel mouth, in the upper starboard
corner, with about one inch of free space around it.
We all know my inspector is going to discover this anomaly
within the first few moments of his scrutiny. Uncorrected, this travesty
will set a precedent for the remaining Search for Error routine and all my
mistakes will come tumbling into the sunshine. I am undone............
UNLESS of course I can bend the ends of this little @#$%?& into
the benign smile all cotter pins should display. Here's where you come in!
Out there in aeroplane-land lives a quiet contemplative genius with the
answer to my quandary. You have only to release his name - and my day is
made ( tel. number a bonus). OR if you are that person, I beg you to reveal
the secret that will free my ravaged soul.
I won't tell Inspector Grinch I cheated either. Really, Ferg
engine hanging nearby
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| Subject: | A Cry From The Wilderness |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
If you have a straight shot at it, a small rod with a hole drilled in one end just
big enough to slip over the end of the cotter pin and vise grip pliers on
the other end might do the deed. Cheap anyway.
Vaughn
N914VA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
D,
What a great idea! Thanks for the reply.......
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: A cry from the wilderness
| --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
|
| Know any fishermen, Ferg?
|
| http://tinyurl.com/b9gad
|
| ... or ...
|
| http://tinyurl.com/bzk73
|
| Good luck!
|
| D
|
| ----------
| Fergus Kyle wrote:
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| >
| > Cheers,
| > I come to you again with another desparate moan. You
| > mustn't think my build is all frantic patching and hole-filling, but
| > occasionally a 'blip' occurs and in these moments of abject blackness I
turn
| > to you, fellow buiilders - of the Classic persuasion.
| > Cast your mind back to the fabrication of the flap
actuating
| > pushrod. Recall if you will the front end comprises a clevis fork which
| > connects with a pair of odd-shaped plates atop the starboard retracting
arm.
| > It s does this with a cleis pin up in the musty recesses of the forward
| > tunnel area. The clevis pin is held in by a cotter pin. So is mine.
| > I inserted it, gave the cotter pin tails a perfunctory bend
each
| > and marked the page with a red dot - to confirm that there was more to
be
| > done before one could move on forever. This has been my practice from
the
| > first in order to prove to my giggling inspector what a serious and
| > introspective little botherer I am.
| > Yes, you guessed it - the whole thing went together
deliciously
| > months ago to my great personal pleasure. Ah, but lurking inside was
the
| > missed red dot - the half assembled @#$%?& cotter pin. As you may
imagine,
| > it now sits about 8 inches into the tunnel mouth, in the upper starboard
| > corner, with about one inch of free space around it.
| > We all know my inspector is going to discover this anomaly
| > within the first few moments of his scrutiny. Uncorrected, this travesty
| > will set a precedent for the remaining Search for Error routine and all
my
| > mistakes will come tumbling into the sunshine. I am undone............
| > UNLESS of course I can bend the ends of this little @#$%?&
into
| > the benign smile all cotter pins should display. Here's where you come
in!
| > Out there in aeroplane-land lives a quiet contemplative genius with the
| > answer to my quandary. You have only to release his name - and my day
is
| > made ( tel. number a bonus). OR if you are that person, I beg you to
reveal
| > the secret that will free my ravaged soul.
| > I won't tell Inspector Grinch I cheated either.
| > Really,
| > Ferg
| > engine hanging nearby
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| Subject: | Re: oil thermostats |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
I partly agree, Richard and Graham, but not many of the older generation of
motorcycles had an oil cooler.
B w,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:21 AM
Subject: Europa-List: oil thermostats
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>>> But to look at the logic I'm not aware of oil
>>> circulation being used to cool an engine so in most
>>> applications ...
>>
>>
> This, Bob, is complete rubbish. IMNSHO.
>
> All engines with no water cooling always have an oil
> cooler.
> Because it is taking heat out of the engine !
>
> I hope your statement was a typo !
>
> Richard
>
> Richard,
> you are absolutely right. The only way to keep tyhe pistons cool is to
> sqirt or splash oil at them.
> Graham
>
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> --
> 25/01/2006
>
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